# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 163
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2026, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3241 "2026-03-14T21:06:04Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > rather than falling for his bullshit, they _agree_ with his bullshit I saw a couple weeks ago on YT an interview with a wheat farmer in Kansas. Between tariffs and counter tariffs as well as the destruction of USAID the bottom had fallen out of the wheat market – literally billions of bushels a year were being bought by that program. He was calculating whether he should harvest his crop and sell it at a loss or take the cheaper route of just plowing it under. He was worried that either path might lead to the loss of his farm, that had been in his family for generations. Yet when asked he said he would vote for Trump again, given the opportunity. What is wrong with these people? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2026, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3242 "2026-03-14T21:10:27Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > He was worried that either path might lead to the loss of his farm, that had been in his family for generations. Yet when asked he said he would vote for Trump again, given the opportunity. > > What is wrong with these people? Donald is ruining their lives----_ **but that’s fine, since he’s also ruining the lives of those they hate and resent.** _ (Non-white people; LGBTQ; educated people.) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2026, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3243 "2026-03-14T21:34:45Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Donald is ruining their lives----_ **but that’s fine, since he’s also ruining the lives of those they hate and resent.** _ (Non-white people; LGBTQ; educated people.) Exactly that. It’s not self interest that motivates these people, it’s bigotry and the desire to hurt and kill others. They put their sadism above their own welfare, or life. And Trump is hurting _lots_ of people, so they still support him. He is their knife plunged into the guts of America and the world, and they’ll keep supporting him as long as he keeps twisting that knife. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2026, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3244 "2026-03-14T21:37:00Z")
Well, when the alternative would be to vote for someone who will suck the blood from newborn infants before sending their corpses to Mars for storage until they can be chopped up and put on a pizza … (We can point fingers and laugh, but very few — I’m tempted to say none — are totally safe from indoctrination. And when said indoctrination, like a farm, has been in the family for generations, it’s particularly potent.) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2026, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3245 "2026-03-14T21:37:19Z")
Yep. This explains his success: the willingness of millions of Americans to suffer, so long as people they hate are being _visibly_ persecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2026, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3246 "2026-03-14T21:38:59Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > (We can point fingers and laugh, but very few — I’m tempted to say none — are totally safe from indoctrination. And when said indoctrination, like a farm, has been in the family for generations, it’s particularly potent.) And as American media is increasingly held in fewer—and more right-wing—hands, we can expect the propaganda to become even more pervasive. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2026, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3247 "2026-03-14T21:42:12Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yep. This explains his success: the willingness of millions of Americans to suffer, so long as people they hate are being _visibly_ persecuted. Or to [quote](https://outsidetheinterzone.blogspot.com/2009/10/of-sparrows-and-curtain-rods.html): > “The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.” ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2026, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3248 "2026-03-14T21:42:16Z")
It was interesting to read how the Chinese flagged ships sailed right through. You might wonder if they have a deal. Well, what does China want? Oil. What could Iran use? Missiles. Does China have any? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3249 "2026-03-15T00:22:35Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > trump: March 8 - Trump accuses Starmer of seeking to ‘join wars after we’ve **already won** ’ > trump: March 14 - Donald Trump urges UK to send warships to secure Strait of Hormuz > trump: March 14 - (Bloomberg paywalled) Trump calls for countries to send ships to reopen Hormuz It’s almost as though he’s living his life in reverse. That would explain why he’s such a big baby, wouldn’t it? Do you see a theme here? [FCC chair threatens broadcasters over Iran war coverage](https://www.aol.com/articles/fcc-chair-threatens-broadcasters-over-183726783.html) > [@](#): > > Federal Communications Commission Chair Brendan Carr[threatened to revoke broadcasters’ licenses](https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/2032855414233047172?s=20) over coverage of the Iran war, after [President Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/donald-trump/) accused news outlets of “intentionally misleading” the American public. > > Trump criticized print media outlets, including the Wall Street Journal, for reporting Friday that Iranian strikes [damaged five U.S. Air Force refueling planes](https://www.reutersconnect.com/all?search=all%3AFWN4010OC&linkedFromStory=true) in Saudi Arabia. The president said four of the five tanker planes suffered “virtually no damage and are already back in service.” > > “The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal (in particular), and other Lowlife “Papers” and Media actually want us to lose the War,” Trump said in a social media post, calling the journalists “sick and demented people.” > > Carr in a follow-up post warned the FCC would consider Iran war coverage when renewing broadcasters licenses. > > “Broadcasters that are running hoaxes and news distortions - also known as the fake news - have a chance now to correct course before their license renewals come up,” he wrote in a social media post. “The law is clear. Broadcasters must operate in the public interest, and they will lose their licenses if they do not.” Personally, I thought the constitution was clear. My mistake. [Racist van Simple has found the cause of crime.](https://www.aol.com/articles/trump-blames-recent-attacks-genetics-183851038.html) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump on Thursday blamed “the genetics” of assailants in a string of recent attacks across the country. He made the comments after attacks at a university in Virginia and a synagogue in Michigan and nearly a week after an improvised explosive was thrown outside Gracie Mansion in New York City. > > “They’re sick people, and a lot of them were let in here. They shouldn’t have been let in. Others are just bad. They go bad. Something wrong — there’s something wrong there. The genetics are not exactly, they’re not exactly your genetic,” Trump told Fox News Radio’s Brian Kilmeade in an interview released Friday. “It’s one of those problems, Brian. It’s a, it’s a terrible thing, and it happens.” So, that’s why he committed felony fraud 34 times: bad genetics. Good Lord. Remember how the felon freaked out about countries “not paying their dues”? [Take a gander here.](https://www.aol.com/articles/wada-weigh-barring-trump-us-214033170.html) > [@](#): > > The World Anti-Doping Agency is considering rewriting its rules to try barring President Donald Trump and all U.S. government officials from attending the LA Olympics in 2028 in a move that could also have implications for the World Cup being hosted by the U.S. this summer. > > The proposal, on the agenda for next Tuesday’s meeting of the global drug-fighting watchdog’s executive committee, is the latest maneuver to come out of a yearslong refusal of the U.S. government to [pay its annual dues](https://apnews.com/article/doping-china-wada-drug-czar-5abd6918a2af58bf69d7bbccbb54b7d2) to WADA. The refusal is part of the American government’s [unanimous, bipartisan protest](https://apnews.com/article/winter-olympics-doping-us-trump-6975ee567c9c820d5ff9851262bc5613) of the agency’s handling of a case [involving Chinese swimmers](https://apnews.com/article/chinese-swimmers-doping-congress-9fc4981aedb6a8795d5bda054aa74f7c) and [other issues.](https://apnews.com/general-news-73f4edabc058d5018e0cb42d21714257) > > The Associated Press learned of the agenda item through correspondence it obtained between WADA and European officials involved in the agency’s decision-making. Two others with knowledge of the agenda confirmed the existence of the rules proposal to AP; they were not authorized to speak publicly about the agenda, which has not been released publicly. > > WADA spokesman James Fitzgerald said “there is nothing new here,” noting that discussions related to the issue of what to do about governments withholding funding have been ongoing since 2020 and aren’t directly related to the U.S. > > The proposal was, in fact, first brought up in 2024, when U.S. authorities successfully lobbied for its rejection. The U.S. has since lost its seat on the executive committee. If it happens, I’d bet real money the felon’s response is, shall we, not exactly sportsmanlike. [Donnie boy’s been checking out men’s butts.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-mocks-biden-obama-walk-221250717.html) > [@](#): > > In his first rally since the United States and Israel launched a war against Iran, President [Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump) touted his economic record and the U.S. military mission, but also took the time to rail against his political enemies’ physical abilities. > > At a [rally in Kentucky](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJXiCvLvLWA), Trump mentioned how he tried to avoid slipping down the soaking-wet stairs: “I do it very slowly…because nobody cares if you set a speed record.” He then said he “admired” former President Barack Obama’s ability to walk down stairs — but then disparaged him, claiming that Obama’s “bob down the stairs” was “unpresidential.” Hey, new campaign slogan! _Badonkadonka_. [War criminal Hegseth does some more war criminaling.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mark-kelly-blasts-hegseth-promising-194312818.html) (The **bolding** is mine.) > [@](#): > > Defense Secretary [Pete Hegseth](https://www.huffpost.com/topic/pete-hegseth) on Friday vowed during a Pentagon press briefing about the ongoing war on Iran that the U.S. would offer “no quarter” to its enemies, which Sen. [Mark Kelly](https://www.huffpost.com/topic/mark-kelly) (D-Ariz.) noted, in a rather prescient callback, would “be an illegal order.” > > “‘No quarter’ isn’t some wanna be tough guy line — it means something,” [Kelly wrote Friday on X](https://x.com/SenMarkKelly/status/2032649255869993148?s=20). “An order to give no quarter would mean to take no prisoners and kill them instead. That would violate the law of armed conflict. It would be an illegal order.” > > He continued, “It would also put American service members at greater risk.” > > Hegseth said in his Friday briefing that **“We will keep pressing. We will keep pushing, keep advancing, no quarter, no mercy for our enemies.”** > > Whether [the former Fox News host](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-hegseth-defense-secretary-trump_n_6733f101e4b07ebab742d1bb) knew it or not, giving the enemy “no quarter” means killing combatants even if they surrender. This is forbidden by most frameworks of international humanitarian law, the Hague and Geneva Conventions. No surprise here. The felon started the war because he felt like Iran was going to attack. [So, of course, the war will end when he feels like it’s ended.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-gives-stunning-answer-fox-131351951.html) > [@](#): > > President **Donald Trump** gave a stunning answer when Fox News host **Brian Kilmeade** asked him “When are you going to know when (the Iran war is) over?” > > As the second week of [the Iran war](https://www.mediaite.com/tag/operation-epic-fury/) comes to a close, 13 U.S. servicemembers have [been killed](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/breaking-4-confirmed-dead-us-102835383.html), a preliminary military investigation has determined the [US is responsible for](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-t-stop-riffing-glibly-192109304.html) [the strike on](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/watch-video-girls-school-iranian-162004772.html) an elementary school that killed at least 160 [children](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-experts-deeply-disturbed-by-child-deaths-escalating-middle-east-conflict-2026-03-04/), and [attacks on oil tankers](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/articles/cnn-kaitlan-collins-calls-trump-143711932.html) in the Strait of Hormuz have [exacerbated surging prices](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-brags-roaring-phenomenal-economy-151134343.html) and roiled the stock market. > > Trump and his administration have also taken heavy criticism over a series of [conflicting messages](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-confronted-reporter-over-conflicting-120601855.html) on [the Iran war](https://www.mediaite.com/tag/operation-epic-fury/) that have dogged the effort — in some cases emanating [solely from Trump](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-asked-meant-ve-already-135318588.html) and in the same sentence. > > The president gave an [interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXTH0gwq2_c) to Fox News Radio’s [_The Brian Kilmeade Show_](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIQSKmM5_BssA4Sqkd9dfaQ) that dropped Friday morning with a flurry [of newsworthy](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-throws-witkoff-under-bus-152820731.html) and noteworthy exchanges, many of which [had to do with](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/shouldn-t-even-asking-trump-180813478.html) the war. > > After Trump once again called the war a “little excursion,” Kilmeade asked him the question that elicited a response befitting a jazz musician: > > > KILMEADE: When are you going to know when it’s over? > > > > TRUMP: When I feel it. The rest of the short article’s quoting of the felon is a master class in the felon’s “weave” of nonsense. (Why does it make me laugh someonne with his hair likes the word _weave_?) ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3250 "2026-03-15T06:40:25Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > “‘No quarter’ isn’t some wanna be tough guy line — it means something,” [Kelly wrote Friday on X](https://x.com/SenMarkKelly/status/2032649255869993148?s=20). “An order to give no quarter would mean to take no prisoners and kill them instead. That would violate the law of armed conflict. It would be an illegal order.” Today, under the modern laws of war, specifically the **1907 Hague Convention** , it is a **war crime** to declare that no quarter will be given. Hegseth is in a position where he ought to know this and ought to walk that one back fast as _he is right now a war criminal._ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3251 "2026-03-15T06:53:34Z")
The {insert pejorative of your choice here} really does want this to be a forever war. > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump said Saturday that he’s not ready to make a deal to end the war with Iran despite the country’s willingness to do so “because the terms aren’t good enough yet,” but declined to say what those terms would be. Of course this can’t be true. If it were, Iran would’ve already informed the press–the international press, not theirs–would be stating what those terms were. But, check this next part out. > [@](#): > > In a wide-ranging, nearly 30-minute telephone interview with NBC News, the president also said he is working with other countries on a plan to secure the Strait of Hormuz amid surges in global oil prices, and he dismissed Americans’ concerns about rising gas prices since the U.S. and Israel launched their joint military operation two weeks ago. Wide-ranging? Someone forgot how to spell _rambling_, evidently. And the master strategists and political observer himself had this to say about Iran’s new supreme leader. > [@](#): > > The president also questioned whether Iran’s new supreme leader is “even alive.” {Insert a different pejorative of your choice here} is really out of touch. Or tetched. > [@](#): > > Trump said he was “surprised” that Iran decided to attack other Middle Eastern countries in response to the U.S.-Israeli operation, and that U.S. strikes on Kharg Island on Saturday “totally demolished” most of the island but that “we may hit it a few more times just for fun.” Just for fun? Yeah, let’s keep on committing them thar war crimes. That’s it for the _Mad, Mad, Madlibs War Update_. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3252 "2026-03-15T07:01:07Z")
Humor, sadness, morons; I’m conflicted. Did the wide-ranging interview include drapes? [![](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_60,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_100,w_100,c_scale,f_avif/v200/5f11d1d8-816b-4307-acc0-bc4c6c3e1195) ](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_60,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_100,w_100,c_scale,f_avif/v200/5f11d1d8-816b-4307-acc0-bc4c6c3e1195) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3253 "2026-03-15T07:59:06Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > Hegseth is in a position where he ought to know this He ought to know better, but likely doesn’t. Didn’t a congressperson tell him once during a congressional hearing that he’s the most unqualified person for the job ever? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3254 "2026-03-15T10:11:15Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Wide-ranging? Someone forgot how to spell _rambling_, evidently. It’s his new schtick: spontaneous interviews with surprise callers. His number is now widely known and he sometimes answers the phone and rambles. Sometimes he does not. He enjoys being “unpredictable”, that is his version of the mad man theory. Petty as usual: > **[Everyone Has Trump’s Phone Number Now](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/03/trump-phone-number/686370/?gift=cU4WmXraWG3WoSDDx6g_kbzhlcg1jt2OA2ZX1uRI9MA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)** > > The president’s personal iPhone has been lighting up. Some day he will fall for a scammer. Oh, wait… ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3255 "2026-03-15T10:23:11Z")
Hello. You have reached the personal line of Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America. For service in English, press 1. For service in any other language, press 8." [Presses 8. _Click_. Calls back, and presses 1.] If you are a foreign leader who is calling to praise President Trump, press 1. If you are a foreign leader who would like to negotiate better terms on tariffs, press 2. If you are a foreign leader whose country is interested in being annexed by the United States, press 3. To prove that you are an American patriot by donating money to President Trump directly, press 4. If you are anybody else, stay on the line, and your call will be attended to momentarily. [Stays on the line.] _Click_. Bzzzz … ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3256 "2026-03-15T13:34:15Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > He ought to know better, but likely doesn’t. Of course, he should know better, and there’s no excuse for ignorance at this level of government. There are still rules of war. He can’t even say, "Oh, I just thought that Led Zeppelin song ‘No Quarter’ was cool. The song is about the Viking era, where a message absolutely must be delivered. “No Quarter” casts out the Rules of War: Hague, Geneva, mainly because if soldiers know there is no surrender possible, they will fight even more to the death. If a corporal can say, “The Director for the Department of Shamrock Socks (last year) said I could do it, well, after shooting those cowards who surrended I bayonetted everyone ten times,” it is not his fault. ETA: It must be in the handbooks, yet yes it is the soldier’s fault for disobeying an illegal order. Hopefully the sergeants on the field walk dumbass’ orders back to the soldiers/marines themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3257 "2026-03-15T14:39:51Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So are we winning yet? Well, if this is winning, I know I can’t take it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3258 "2026-03-15T15:02:33Z")
As I understand it, historically Americans have de facto immunity for war crimes because realpolitik. Is there any sense that that is changing, or are we all just more annoyed about it than usual? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/3259 "2026-03-15T17:11:58Z")
I don’t think this immunity for alleged war crimes commited by US politicians is going to change any time soon. Only the USA can put the responsible politicians on trial, and SCOTUS is where the buck stops (which, according to current doctrine and jurisprudence, is then gilded and donated to POTUS). But you have to blame someone! _**[The Economist](https://www.economist.com/united-states/2026/03/12/americas-blame-israel-lobby?giftId=YmI3YTM3YTItMDI2My00MmFiLTljNDktZmIzMjc1YzU1YmMy&utm_campaign=gifted_article)**_ (gift link) suggests MAGA may be about to blame Netanyahoo. The article also claims that by abandoning the policy of prioritizing bipartisan support for Israel over short term gains Bibi has alienated the Democrats and put Israel’s long term survival at risk. The way they state it, it sounds plausible to me. Plausibility, of course, is not certainty. But if Israel loses the support of the Democrats and of MAGA simultaneously, the consequences are unpredictable. Perhaps Bibi will not get the immunity he craved so much that he made a pact with the ~~devil~~ Ultra-Orthodox? ---
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> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > As I understand it, historically Americans have de facto immunity for war crimes because realpolitik. Historically, only people on the losing side of wars are ever tried for war crimes, and even then, rarely. It’s not just Americans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=162) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=164)