# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 209
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2026, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4161 "2026-04-07T23:54:55Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > No, _two_ weeks. … April 21st. People keep talking as if these words referred to real times attached to the real calendar, rather than random nonsense. We all know that “two weeks” is the timeframe that comes into his so-called mind when he needs a future date. He no more tracks these dates than a dog or a horse would. Further, we have no sense of what he even means. [Iran and US agree to conditional ceasefire and 'safe passage' through Hormuz after Trump's threat - follow live - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c5yw4g3z7qgt) is reporting that Iran "has said that the US has agreed to: - Guarantee not to repeat its “aggression” against Iran - The continuation of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz - Acceptance of [uranium] enrichment - Lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions - Termination of all resolutions of the [UN] Security Council and International Atomic Energy Agency - Payment of compensation to Iran…" which seems to me equally unhinged from reality, albeit deliberately and strategically rather than off-the-cuff. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4162 "2026-04-08T00:11:57Z")
> [@solost](#): > > It _ **may** _ be another example of TACO trump blustering, then backing off and calling it a big win, but this rhetoric is absolutely insane. I thought one of the dozen or so oft-conflicting reasons for starting this war was so that we could protect the Iranian people against their leaders. Right, but not a word about protecting the Iranian people from _our_ leaders. And _TACO_ now means _Trump Always Commits Atrocities_ or perhaps _Trump Adores Committing Atrocities_. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4163 "2026-04-08T00:25:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think what it means is that Pakistan suggested this cease fire, and Trump agreed, even though Iran had not agreed to anything. Pakistan, Iraq, Iran – they’re all the same towel heads. You can throw in the Sikhs while you’re at it.\* > **\*** > > That’s what one numpty here concluded when three days after 911 he shot and killed a Sikh running a gas station. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4164 "2026-04-08T00:40:27Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > [Iran and US agree to conditional ceasefire and ‘safe passage’ through Hormuz after Trump’s threat - follow live - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c5yw4g3z7qgt) is reporting that Iran "has said that the US has agreed to: > > - Guarantee not to repeat its “aggression” against Iran > - The continuation of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz > - Acceptance of [uranium] enrichment > - Lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions > - Termination of all resolutions of the [UN] Security Council and International Atomic Energy Agency > - Payment of compensation to Iran…" Hmm, I may have spoken too soon it seems. Obviously if this ceasefire holds that can only be a positive development, but I’m still not convinced anything approaching an actual agreement existed before Trump made his post earlier. It seems more like Pakistan threw a lifeline to both sides and they’re both grasping at it now. It almost looks like we’re seeing the actual negotiations playing out in front of the whole world right now. And I’ve seen this list of terms in a couple of places now, and two thoughts occurred to me… First, I don’t see how the Trump regime agrees to any of this if he thinks he’s going to save face in any way. This is essentially Iran dictating the end of the war on their own terms. Trump would see every bit of this as capitulating to Iran’s demands and I don’t think what passes for his brain would be able to justify this. It would make him look stupid and weak to his own thinking. Second, this essentially would just reset the status quo back to what it was before the bombing started back at the end of February. Meaning the last five weeks have been a massive waste of time, resources, lives and money. Which would not come as a surprise to anyone reading this thread, I’m sure. I can confess I may be missing something here, but none of what has happened over the last two hours makes any sense. It’s just chaos and noise. I guess we’ll see how this shakes out over the coming days. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4165 "2026-04-08T01:08:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You’re correct. I think what it means is that Pakistan suggested this cease fire, and Trump agreed, even though Iran had not agreed to anything. Well, I can admit when I’m wrong. Apparently Iran has agreed: > Iran says it has achieved a great victory and forced the United States to accept its 10-point plan, according to a statement from Iran’s Supreme National Security Council reported by Iranian state media. > > As part of the plan, the US has in principle agreed to lift all primary and secondary sanctions against Iran and to withdraw US combat forces from all bases in the region, the council said. > > It has also agreed to accept Iran’s nuclear enrichment and recognize its continued control over the Strait of Hormuz, according to the council. Controlled passage through the waterway would be carried out “in coordination with Iran’s armed forces,” it added. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4166 "2026-04-08T01:09:17Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > It almost looks like we’re seeing the actual negotiations playing out in front of the whole world right now. Well this actually makes sense, since when Iran conducted “Normal” negotiations, the US bombed them in the middle of them. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4167 "2026-04-08T01:43:33Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > First, I don’t see how the Trump regime agrees to any of this if he thinks he’s going to save face in any way. Maybe it’s the cynic in me, but one of the possibilities that comes to mind is that the people who already know he’s not some sort of master strategist don’t matter to him or what serves as his ‘brain’ trust. That is, many of the MAGA types are also looking for an off-ramp and hoping to have the right-wing propaganda machine that serves as their collective brain come up with something. And that something will be that “Trump won” and the actual details won’t matter to them. Just keep repeating the part they actually care about (no more fighting), conclusion (therefore we won), and just skip over the inconvenient bits like the pointless waste of lives and time and money. Residually high oil prices or inflation or whatever? Still Biden’s fault. Do that for a news cycle or two, and it will become the truth to them. I suspect we’ll be hearing something along those lines from brainwashed co-workers and family before long. That lets Trump saves face among the only people who actually manage to still respect him. That said, he’s lost many of them. Maybe even a few permanently. But I fear most are just looking for a reason to crawl back and come up with yet another excuse so they can forgive their longtime serial abuser until the next crisis. Which may not be long. They come faster and faster in his second term, since he learned not to hire any of the ‘adults in the room’ like his first term. Epstein still never seems to go away completely, so that may be the next thing yet again. For the rest of us, he doesn’t have any face to save anyway. He may not realize that fact but it doesn’t appear his coterie of sycophants lets him be exposed for long to anything but friendly crowds. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4168 "2026-04-08T02:04:26Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > I guess we’ll see how this shakes out over the coming days. Not days; weeks, two each. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4169 "2026-04-08T02:09:12Z")
To me, this result makes me wonder if Trump realizes that (by my longstanding theory) he doesn’t have to actually _do_ anything to capture the adulation he adores—he just has to _say_ he accomplished something great, regardless of the reality. Like, all he has to do is to _say_ that Iran buckled and conceded all kinds of things to the US. Does it matter to his base? Not at all! All right wing media has to do is report on what he says, the fact of which is technically true, and his base will lap it up. He gets all the cheers and accolades from them, the media, and his congressional puppets that his ego desires, and the best part for him is, he _doesn’t actually have to do anything_. Not even anything as strenuous as getting out of bed in the morning. One tweet, a televised speech or two, and that’s it! I don’t have any actual idea if I’m right, but I don’t think it’d be the _worst_ outcome… ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4170 "2026-04-08T02:11:52Z")
And it’ll give him material when lobbying foreign dignitaries for a Nobel Peace Prize nomination. He ‘won’ in Iran, so naturally he deserves a prize! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4171 "2026-04-08T02:17:08Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > He ‘won’ in Iran, so naturally he deserves a prize! And it will be the Supreme Leader of Iran who’ll nominate him for getting him the job! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4172 "2026-04-08T02:24:31Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Wait. That’s not a bright side. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Play the hits. You’re funny! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4173 "2026-04-08T02:27:01Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Iran says it has achieved a great victory and forced the United States to accept its 10-point plan, according to a statement from Iran’s Supreme National Security Council reported by Iranian state media. > > As part of the plan, the US has in principle agreed to lift all primary and secondary sanctions against Iran and to withdraw US combat forces from all bases in the region, the council said. > > It has also agreed to accept Iran’s nuclear enrichment and recognize its continued control over the Strait of Hormuz, according to the council. Controlled passage through the waterway would be carried out “in coordination with Iran’s armed forces,” it added. If Trump really agreed to all that (and I don’t believe it) he’d in essence be letting Iran win and even gain ground, such as charging tolls for Harmuz passage. My guess is the US and Iran are both presenting their preferred outcome, not anything actually agreed to, while they play along with Pakistan to get a bit of breathing space before hostilities resume. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4174 "2026-04-08T02:56:11Z")
ANOTHER WAR ENDED. Are listening Norway? The BIGGEST WAR EVER. Even bigger than the WWII which I won! I will be ELECTED your president if you continue to ignore me. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Donald J. Trump, President of Vuvuzela. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4175 "2026-04-08T03:04:56Z")
So I guess now he’s going to claim he has ended 9 wars? ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4176 "2026-04-08T03:17:23Z")
So he chickens out (thankfully) and that means he shouldn’t still be removed? Screw that. The entire world read and heard his unhinged ravings. Just because he didn’t do it _this_ time doesn’t mean he can be trusted. On another note, how bummed do you think Mr. Kegsbreath is that he didn’t get to unleash the big guns tonight? He needs to go too. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4177 "2026-04-08T03:24:15Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > On another note, how bummed do you think Mr. Kegsbreath is that he didn’t get to unleash the big guns tonight? Oh, he’s probably pounding his fist in anger on something, I bet. He got _this close_ to living out a Christofascist murder fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4178 "2026-04-08T04:03:29Z")
The war is a success! Anybody talking about the Epstein files lately? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4179 "2026-04-08T04:05:46Z")
I have trouble imagining what _could_ be on those files that would be worse for Trump than the war. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4180 "2026-04-08T04:11:23Z")
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