# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 211
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4201 "2026-04-08T13:48:30Z")
> [@Slight\_Off\_Hand](#): > > > [@solost](#): > > > > How much freakin’ value in oil does a typical tanker ship carry that they can support a $2 million toll as a cost of doing business? > > I seem to recall Mr. Global doing a video on this and saying on average tankers carry 2 million barrels so it would amount to an extra dollar per barrel. Thanks. But, despite the fact that an extra $1 per barrel of oil might not seem like a heavy toll overall, I’m guessing that the companies that control the tankers don’t make much per barrel as a fee for transporting the oil, so I imagine that a $2M toll is a pretty dire financial hardship for the shipping companies that will have to bear it. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4202 "2026-04-08T13:49:56Z")
I guess they would add it to their bill and pass it to their customers and so on until it gets paid by Johnny Q. Public at the pump. (Unless Johnny gets smart and starts using electric cars) ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4203 "2026-04-08T13:52:03Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > I guess they would add it to their bill and pass it to their customers and so on until it gets paid by Johnny Q. Public at the pump. Yep. One way or another, we (the world, not just the American public) will all be paying for the malice and incompetence of trump, probably long after he’s gone. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4204 "2026-04-08T13:59:11Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Honestly, I’m at the point I would want various info outlets to _let him believe he got a win_ for a couple of days so he cools off and doesn’t keep trying to prove something. Yes, my hope at the moment is that he gets distracted by the next shiny _before_ he decides that no, he really does need to “destroy their civilization”. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4205 "2026-04-08T14:13:35Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “destroy their civilization” Wonder if he got that one from last having spoken with Miller or with Hegseth before getting on the app. Too many syllables to be his own. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4206 "2026-04-08T14:17:23Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Wonder if he got that one from last having spoken with Miller or with Hegseth before getting on the app. Too many syllables to be his own. Yeah, it _does_ sound like him quoting somebody else. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4207 "2026-04-08T14:26:09Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Do we have a name for this officer yet? Schumann. He was affectionately know as “old Shoe”. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4208 "2026-04-08T14:28:56Z")
Isn’t there a song about a “Good Ol’ Shoe”? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4209 "2026-04-08T14:35:20Z")
Recorded by Johnny Dean\*, on 78 rpm. \*A mysterious singer. Not much was known about him. He looked a lot like Willie Nelson. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4210 "2026-04-08T15:02:53Z")
A brutal assessment of Trump’s “resounding victory” in getting a cease-fire…[from the National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/iran-prepares-to-dupe-the-west-again/). Their columnist’s take on the Iranian demands which Trump says are a good basis for negotiation: > [@](#): > > Your mileage may vary, but my answers to this list of demands would be “depends upon how you define ‘non-aggression’; no; no; heck no; hell no; [bad word] no; [even worse word] no; no [bad word]-ing way; absolutely no [bad word]-ing way; and you can stick this where the sun doesn’t shine.” Here’s Trump posting about a plan where Iran and the U.S. would charge tolls for ships transiting the Strait of Hormuz: > [@](#): > > “We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture. It’s a way of securing it, also securing it from lots of other people. It’s a beautiful thing” Beautiful for maintaining artificially elevated oil prices, damaging economies long-term and causing prolonged high gas prices in the U.S. Maybe there’s a campaign issue here for the midterms and beyond… ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4211 "2026-04-08T15:05:49Z")
I wonder how he plans to enforce it? will tankers be boarded by the U.S. navy if they don’t pay the toll? fired upon?. Will the necessary naval presence cost more than what’s extorted from the passing ships? It sounds thoroughly trumpian in it’s half-assed-ness ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4212 "2026-04-08T15:09:27Z")
Like the wall along the Mexican border, it will simply never be. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4213 "2026-04-08T15:10:37Z")
We’ll just build a wall across the strait. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4214 "2026-04-08T15:17:42Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > I wonder how he plans to enforce it? Have the Iranians do the work then demand a cut? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4215 "2026-04-08T15:19:15Z")
And if they don’t go back to “civilization end” threats, sounds right. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4216 "2026-04-08T15:22:55Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > I wonder how he plans to enforce it? will tankers be boarded by the U.S. navy if they don’t pay the toll? fired upon?. Trump needs to read the fine print, Iran gets the 2mil per ship. Oooops. This fiasco is giving Iran 2 million dollars a ship. That will help build up their navy to enforce it. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4217 "2026-04-08T15:24:09Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Have the Iranians do the work then demand a cut? That’d be my guess. It’s all profit to him at that point, and Iran would probably jump at this opportunity. They get paid, they establish the principle that they can control the strait in perpetuity, and they’re allowed to keep military forces on active duty to enforce the tolls, forces which would be far better trained and more experienced if and when hostilities break out again. So much winning! And Trump will accept all of that, because he’ll be making cash off the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4218 "2026-04-08T15:24:26Z")
Iran needs no navy to enforce it, just fire a cheap drone to any non-approved vessel and you are done. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4219 "2026-04-08T15:25:13Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > A brutal assessment of Trump’s “resounding victory” in getting a cease-fire…[from the National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/iran-prepares-to-dupe-the-west-again/). The National Review represents the tired, RINO views of old-school William F. Buckley Jr. conservatives. It doesn’t understand the MAGA genius strategy of attack, threaten, bluster, then settle for much worse than what you had before. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2026, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/4220 "2026-04-08T15:25:53Z")
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