# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/461 "2025-12-11T05:36:52Z")
[Yes, Killer Kennedy is responsible for this.](https://www.aol.com/articles/south-carolina-measles-outbreak-accelerating-220728181.html) > [@](#): > > The measles outbreak in South Carolina is “accelerating” with no end in sight following Thanksgiving and other large gatherings, state health officials said Wednesday. > > As of Wednesday, [111 measles cases had been reported](https://dph.sc.gov/diseases-conditions/infectious-diseases/measles-rubeola/2025-measles-outbreak) in what’s known as upstate South Carolina — an area in the northwest of the state that includes Greenville and Spartanburg. > > “We are faced with ongoing transmission that we anticipate will go on for many more weeks,” Dr. Linda Bell, state epidemiologist for the South Carolina Department of Public Health, said during a news briefing Wednesday. > > Twenty-seven of those cases have been reported since Friday. “That is a significant increase in our cases in a short period of time,” Bell said. She attributed the spike in part to holiday travel and get-togethers, as well as low vaccination rates. > > According to [NBC News data](https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/map-kindergartner-vaccination-rates-are-lowest-rcna229455), the K-12 vaccination rate for measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) in Spartanburg County was 90% for the 2024-25 school year, below the 95% level doctors say is needed to protect against an outbreak. In neighboring Greenville County, the MMR vaccination rate was 90.5%. And just because a few posters were caught in a discussion about numbers just upthread, here’s a scary one for you. > [@](#): > > The spread of measles is not isolated to South Carolina. On Wednesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported a total of 1,912 measles cases so far in 2025. [_The New York Times_ isn’t losing sleep over Rip van Simple’s threats.](https://www.aol.com/articles/york-times-trump-post-says-193026704.html) > [@](#): > > The New York Times, attacked by President Donald Trump for reporting about [his physical condition](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-physical-walter-reed-e4c3cd4ef5aab8e4d86d00b02a1ed710), said on Wednesday that it wouldn’t be deterred by “false and inflammatory language” that distorts the role of a free press. > > The president had posted on his Truth Social platform that he believed it was “seditious, perhaps even treasonous” for the Times and other media outlets to do “FAKE” reports on [his health](https://apnews.com/article/trump-health-media-coverage-1541184240d9092f08159fa36a05a955). > > “They are true Enemies of the People, and we should do something about it,” Trump wrote. [_Air Force One_ kicks ass!](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/donald-trump-hit-during-live-200349714.html) > [@](#): > > On Air Force One, **[Donald Trump](https://www.realitytea.com/tag/donald-trump/)** was surprised when a door flung open to smack the 79-year-old on his backside. > > This happened on Tuesday night while the President was talking to reporters. Donald was on his way to Monroe County, Pennsylvania, at the time to deliver a speech. [The war crimes just keep on rolling.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/3-separate-us-strikes-alleged-090059843.html) > [@](#): > > As the US military has undertaken a campaign of attacks against alleged drug boats in the Caribbean Sea and eastern Pacific Ocean, at least five people have survived initial strikes ending up in the water after explosions killed fellow crew members and disabled their ships. > > But what happened next to the survivors varied greatly – two were detained by the US Navy only to be returned to their home countries, one was left to float in the ocean and is presumed dead, and two more have been at the center of intense scrutiny in recent weeks following reporting that the US military conducted a second strike killing them as they clung to their flipped and damaged boat on September 2. If they’re such a danger to Americans, why aren’t they being arrested, tried, and incarcerated? Sending someone fished out of the water back to their home country indicates they were not dangerous. Killing the others is an extreme reaction for someone who is not committing a capital crime. **Abandoning someone for them to drown in the ocean is, in addition to all the illegalities, _appalling_.** ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/462 "2025-12-11T07:25:49Z")
[Rip van Simple is giving staffers his last name.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-debuts-incredibly-creepy-nickname-044012240.html) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump has revealed a new nickname for his chief of staff, Susie Wiles, dubbing her ‘Susie Trump’ at a Tuesday rally in Pennsylvania. > > “Susie Trump, do you know Susie Trump?” he asked attendees at the rally at the Mount Airy Casino Resort in Mount Pocono. “Sometimes referred to as Susie Wiles. Susie Trump,” he continued, before going on a rant about the term ‘chief of staff.‘ And if that’s not bad enough, check out his latest rant. > [@](#): > > “She’s a great chief of staff,” he said. “They don’t use the word chief of staff anymore because the Indians got extremely upset, but now the Indians actually want their name used, which is true, they never didn’t want it used.” [The felon’s really trying to get us into an actual war.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/defiant-flyover-u-f-18-191059593.html) > [@](#): > > Two U.S. F-18 fighter jets flying in tandem entered Venezuelan airspace around noon Tuesday, circling over the Gulf of Venezuela in the latest show of force against the regime of Nicolás Maduro. > > The flyover — carried out despite the Venezuelan regime’s possession of a number of Russian-made anti-aircraft batteries — took place less than 100 miles northeast of Maracaibo, Venezuela’s second-largest city. Thousands of Venezuelans tracked the aircraft online through specialized tracking websites, watching as the jets traced a bow-tie-shaped pattern over the gulf. > > The fighters remained inside Venezuelan airspace for at least 40 minutes at an altitude of roughly 25,000 feet before heading north and leaving the area. What I’m not getting here is why the animosity from the felon? I thought he loved him some dictators. [War criminal Hegseth asked the DoD’s new AI about his latest flexes at sea. Guess what happened.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/militarys-ai-says-hypothetical-boat-031502681.html) > [@](#): > > An [artificial intelligence](http://san.com/tags/artificial-intelligence) chatbot unveiled by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Tuesday appears to have described airstrikes against suspected drug smugglers at sea as “unambiguously illegal.” The platform, powered by Google Gemini, has been made available to military personnel as part of the Pentagon’s effort to adopt AI. > > In a [video](https://x.com/SecWar/status/1998408545591578972?s=20) posted to X, Hegseth said the platform, known as GenAI.mil, puts “the world’s most powerful frontier AI models into the hands of every American warrior.” > > “At the click of a button, AI models on GenAI can be utilized to conduct deep research, format documents and even analyze video or imagery at unprecedented speed,” Hegseth said. “We will continue to aggressively field the world’s best technology to make our fighting force more lethal than ever before, and all of it is American-made.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/463 "2025-12-11T07:33:52Z")
They’re taking FDR off the dime. > **[US Mint unveils new coins for America's 250th birthday](https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/new-coins-americas-250-birthday-us-mint-pictures/507-07327abe-6c49-4eb6-835a-496adba9fa75?ref=exit-recirc)** > > The designs commemorate the U.S. semiquincentennial milestone and will be displayed on the 2026 dime, quarter and half-dollar coin. [![](https://media.king5.com/assets/CCT/images/ce07243f-8a36-4518-a619-a2011c451ab9/20251210T190047/ce07243f-8a36-4518-a619-a2011c451ab9_1920x1080.jpg) ](https://media.king5.com/assets/CCT/images/ce07243f-8a36-4518-a619-a2011c451ab9/20251210T190047/ce07243f-8a36-4518-a619-a2011c451ab9_1920x1080.jpg) [![](https://media.king5.com/assets/CCT/images/de972801-78d7-40fa-8169-cb67d5709f7b/20251210T190138/de972801-78d7-40fa-8169-cb67d5709f7b_1920x1080.jpg) ](https://media.king5.com/assets/CCT/images/de972801-78d7-40fa-8169-cb67d5709f7b/20251210T190138/de972801-78d7-40fa-8169-cb67d5709f7b_1920x1080.jpg) I will admit, I like the Lady Liberty design, but this really smacks of a deliberate attempt to snub the greatest Democratic president in American history, and it really bothers me that the reverse is an eagle clutching arrows but _not_ an olive branch. (There’s a certain degree of irony in the “Liberty Over Tyranny” slogan, but I don’t think the fascists are sharing the definitions of those two words that I would use.) ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/464 "2025-12-11T07:37:54Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > He’s showing himself to be an out-of-touch idiot, To be fair, my niece does that 6/7 thing and I, too am clueless as to what it means, and she refuses to tell me. That does not affect your points, it just makes me a little more like J. D. Vance. Bletch… ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/465 "2025-12-11T07:42:41Z")
From one of **Monty** ’s links, not from **Monty**. > [@Monty](#): > > Two U.S. F-18 fighter jets flying in tandem entered Venezuelan airspace around noon Tuesday, circling over the Gulf of Venezuela in the latest show of force against the regime of Nicolás Maduro. I’ve had this discussion before, on another board, with a Trumpist who declared that the middle of Hudson Bay was international waters, and therefore could be entered into by the US Navy. Problem there was, any USN ships would have to pass through Canadian waters to get there. “Oh, that doesn’t matter,” she said. “Canada’s military is nothing; it won’t be able to stop the US Navy from entering Hudson Bay if it wants to.” Sounds like this is the same thing, only with aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/466 "2025-12-11T08:47:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > it really bothers me that the reverse is an eagle clutching arrows but _not_ an olive branch. Have you ever heard of the **[Spanish Falange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FET_y_de_las_JONS)**? That was its symbol: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Yoke_and_Arrows.svg/1280px-Yoke_and_Arrows.svg.png) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Yoke_and_Arrows.svg/1280px-Yoke_and_Arrows.svg.png) The thing where the arrows inter_sect_ is meant to be an ox yoke. Surely just a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/467 "2025-12-11T11:11:55Z")
“South Park’s” latest episode (once again, apparently) referenced the “6-7 meme”. I didn’t catch it, or know it was part of a rap song, when they opened the first episode with part of the tune. I first heard about it upthread, where Vance said his kid was repeatedly yelling “six seven” out loud in whatever church he goes to. And he was proud of it. I am not a meme prophet, yet I reckon this is going to take on a republican meaning somehow. It would be better for them if it were “twenty-eight” or “forty-eight, (ETA: perhaps 4-7 as I reckon he stays Felon 47 with a 'I fucked the Constitution and I won fringe on top)” yet if trump comes out and says something like, “I have stopped 67 wars” or “I now have 67 red hats in all the good fonts,” I will know from whence it came. I have an old phone that only gets to 4G, yet now I want one with 6-7G so I can see X-rays or whatever trump was on about. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/468 "2025-12-11T11:27:25Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > so I can see X-rays or whatever trump was on about. Pervert! [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFHkz6be2Hdz3rnuSrKqauMAnlZNiwebArVQ1B0de2iRi3HCEJVR_HUGRB&s=10) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFHkz6be2Hdz3rnuSrKqauMAnlZNiwebArVQ1B0de2iRi3HCEJVR_HUGRB&s=10) ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/469 "2025-12-11T11:53:06Z")
Last mention of María Corina Machado, Nobel Peace Prize winner, was in Part 1 of this thread, has made it to Norway to accept and the other speakers are talking about upholding Democracy and fighting Dictatorships. My father was born in Norway during WWII - so I must say nice going Norge! They’re not saying, yet this must have been a special OPs thing that Norway is quite capable of itself. When trump wakes up and tweets, he’ll say, “Did she stop 8 wars?” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/470 "2025-12-11T11:53:32Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [The felon’s really trying to get us into an actual war.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/defiant-flyover-u-f-18-191059593.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > Two U.S. F-18 fighter jets flying in tandem entered Venezuelan airspace around noon Tuesday, circling over the Gulf of Venezuela in the latest show of force against the regime of Nicolás Maduro. I’m assuming this was a direct provocation so trump can have the shootin’ war he wants to distract us from Everything Else. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/471 "2025-12-11T12:04:21Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > so trump can have the shootin’ war he wants to distract us from Everything Else. And then call a cease-fire to once Venezuela yields control of all their oil. Another war he stopped! And someone tell me how seizing an oil tanker going to Iran is any more than the War Crimes his administration has committed? Are we at war with Iran? Do we blockade everything going there? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/472 "2025-12-11T13:04:40Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > To be fair, my niece does that 6/7 thing and I, too am clueless as to what it means, and she refuses to tell me. It doesn’t really mean anything. There was an original meme that had some kind of meaning, but the most common use at the moment is just a meaningless phrase. It’s also a differentiator - you asked, which means you are some old person who doesn’t get the usage. If they repeat it at you several times, it is basically an insult, i.e. “look at this out of touch person”. So to the extent there is a meaning, such a meaning exists only at a meta-level. Yes, it’s rather dumb, but so are most memes kids generate, including the ones we used ourselves. And this, too, shall pass, probably in the next few months as something else supplants it. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/473 "2025-12-11T13:32:55Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > And someone tell me how seizing an oil tanker going to Iran is any more than the War Crimes his administration has committed? I though it was going to Cuba. At least that’s what being reported as it’s initial destination. After that, maybe to Asia. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/474 "2025-12-11T13:59:35Z")
I want to hear the justification. I didn’t think the USA was blockading Cuba and Asia either. Meanwhile, it’s up to Ukraine to enforce Russia’s breaking the law on oil exports: > **[BBC Verify Live: Verified video shows Ukrainian sea drone attack on ship in...](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz941j0l48et?post=asset%3A413d6d1a-e1e8-4088-bbd9-182338397dc6#post)** > > Sherie RyderBBC Verify journalist | Latest updates from the BBC's specialists in fact-checking, verifying video and tackling disinformation. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/475 "2025-12-11T15:05:58Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > To be fair, my niece does that 6/7 thing and I, too am clueless as to what it means, and she refuses to tell me. Me too. But what was worse when the saying ‘That’s baaaaddd’ was common (meaning cool/good). And my elderly mother tried to fit it into a conversation. 😳 Umm… Mom? Just don’t use that. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/476 "2025-12-11T15:09:18Z")
Actually, I know what 6/7 means 6/7 = 0.8571428571428571 I got it now. Totally understand. /s ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/477 "2025-12-11T15:32:35Z")
Those rascally kids are quoting…Evita! All you will see is a girl you once knew Although she’s dressed up to the nines At _ **sixes and sevens** _ with you Don’t cry for me, Meme-entina ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/478 "2025-12-11T15:40:25Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@scudsucker](#): > > > > To be fair, my niece does that 6/7 thing and I, too am clueless as to what it means, and she refuses to tell me. > > Me too. Apparently it doesn’t mean anything (Other than “Let’s confuse the old folks.”) > [@enipla](#): > > But what was worse when the saying ‘That’s baaaaddd’ was common (meaning cool/good). And my elderly mother tried to fit it into a conversation. 😳 > > Umm… Mom? Just don’t use that. When my kids were born, I made an effort to learn the current slang, so I could break it out in front of their friends when they were teenagers and add on, “That’s what you kids say, isn’t it?” for pure maximum embarrassment. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/479 "2025-12-11T15:49:44Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Apparently it doesn’t mean anything (Other than “Let’s confuse the old folks.”) Respond with .85 Do they say 6 slash 7 ? What’s the lingo here? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/480 "2025-12-11T15:56:01Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Do they say 6 slash 7 ? What’s the lingo here? They say, “Six seven.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=25)