# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/541 "2025-12-13T16:43:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I think he’s found out Marijuana is good for whatever ailment he and his complicit physicians are hiding from the public. Maybe Trump has been stoned all this time. It would explain at least a few things. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/542 "2025-12-13T16:44:54Z")
Per AI: > No, Admiral Alvin Holsey did not order the specific drug boat attacks; congressional and defense officials say the strikes were run by the > > [Joint Special Operations Command](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Joint+Special+Operations+Command&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfD0tQ_qnvCwU-Iy9XvtElew2vmMfAIEV3nGSgKmH9ERDeVRpTt24lI5W5-ZeZHiVPx8KOVCiHJA7LS_CMsbmLmFUSShDDn6Ia9MDOME15fZTgnS-PfcZ780OA42Kh1QR2bBvxZ5mJXDpMhsIfDP-f6pRCsSDqy9yX747YL5r7HmrG45KoiVD6Ns5XIx9y0NSY6B&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwjgwPScgbuRAxXVxuYEHawvCboQgK4QegQIARAB)(JSOC) with the admiral largely out of the direct decision loop, though he oversaw the region, and there were reports of disagreements with Defense Secretary Hegseth over the speed of operations. The Trump administration authorized the increased campaign, but Holsey, as head of Southern Command, was reportedly seen by some as not moving fast enough, leading to tensions and his retirement, with the actual strikes handled by JSOC. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/543 "2025-12-13T16:47:14Z")
Just saying that an AI-generated cite for “Holsey didn’t order those attacks” is less than 100% credible. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/544 "2025-12-13T17:23:23Z")
That’s why I said it was AI. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/545 "2025-12-13T17:32:23Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > That’s why I said it was AI Sure. But if you want to provide a factual cite, that’s not the way to do it, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/546 "2025-12-13T17:40:40Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Just saying that an AI-generated cite for “Holsey didn’t order those attacks” is less than 100% credible. I have a better cite: Admiral Holsey notified me He had to have a berth or he couldn’t get to sea ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/547 "2025-12-13T17:41:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I think he’s found out Marijuana is good for whatever ailment he and his complicit physicians are hiding from the public. There is only one reason the Grifter-in-Chief is considering this action. Fill in the blank: 1. Trump vodka 2. Trump steaks 3. Trump NFTs 4. * * * ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/548 "2025-12-13T17:44:37Z")
> [@bobsmom101](#): > > There is only one reason the Grifter-in-Chief is considering this action. > Fill in the blank: Willie Nelson: “Stay in your lane, fat boy!” But, yeah. In his first term, Trump made statements which were definitely in opposition to federally legalized marijuana – he said it should be up to the states, but also said that he thought it attracted the wrong element. For the last year or so, he’s been enthusiastic about it. Which clearly suggests that someone told him there’s money to be made. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/549 "2025-12-13T17:50:04Z")
Butter pie? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/550 "2025-12-13T18:55:23Z")
Please don’t give marihuana a bad rap, I am sure his evil behaviour is not the weed’s fault! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/551 "2025-12-13T18:56:56Z")
Not at all. I was mostly thinking of his rambling, incoherent speeches. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/552 "2025-12-13T19:32:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Do you think the felon even knows this Franklin isn’t one of our Founding Fathers? Ya mean the turtle? Or Benjamin Franklin? He wouldn’t know the difference in either case. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/553 "2025-12-13T19:36:05Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And since when do American judges wear judicial wigs? Nor is it common for them to use gavels. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/554 "2025-12-13T19:37:53Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Which clearly suggests that someone told him there’s money to be made He’s trying to cut Canada out of the Marijuana tourism market. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/555 "2025-12-13T22:10:05Z")
Grandpa needs more gaudy signs to remind him of where he is. [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4usmserhjqkvhldgedfjb3jw/bafkreigeeqswwiipluelod6noqf4baeleygt3pnk6czhcfvwntqd7ghrum@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4usmserhjqkvhldgedfjb3jw/bafkreigeeqswwiipluelod6noqf4baeleygt3pnk6czhcfvwntqd7ghrum@jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/556 "2025-12-13T22:30:10Z")
I’m not really (at all) good with decorating, so my walls tend to just be bare. I think my approach is not bad. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/557 "2025-12-13T23:05:58Z")
Low bar man. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/558 "2025-12-13T23:19:05Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Admiral Holsey notified me > He had to have a berth or he couldn’t get to sea All these years I thought it was “he had to have a **bath** or he couldn’t get to sea.” That said: every time Holsey’s name is in the news, I do think of the Wings song (even though it’s Halsey not Holsey). Also: dude is smart, getting out before the Search for a Scapegoat gets underway. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/559 "2025-12-13T23:24:15Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > Low bar man. Is he the ones that waters the liquor, and dumps people’s drinks when they’re not looking, and then lies about it? > [@Sherrerd](#): > > All these years I thought it was “he had to have a **bath** or he couldn’t get to sea.” There’s one for the YOUR misheard lyrics thread. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/560 "2025-12-13T23:30:14Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Leaving wouldn’t make him any less culpable for any strikes that already occurred when he was around If he left for a country without an extradition treaty, though, it would help him stay out of jail. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=29)