# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 365
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7281 "2026-07-19T09:09:27Z")
[No banking for you!](https://www.aol.com/articles/stephen-miller-says-trump-administration-182350000.html) > [@](#): > > [White House](https://foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/white-house) deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller said Friday that the Trump administration is seeking to debank illegal immigrants as an incentive for them to self-deport from the United States. > > Miller gave an update on the White House’s latest tactic to deter illegal immigration during [an interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1K0Jhi-TxQ&t=603s) Friday on “The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton show.” > > “[President Trump](https://foxnews.com/category/person/donald-trump) signed an executive order a few weeks ago saying that we are not going to allow illegal aliens to use banking services in this country,” Miller said. > > “Illegal aliens have credit cards, they have bank accounts and they’re paid with direct deposit. So, illegal aliens fully participate in the commercial systems, the [financial systems](https://www.foxnews.com/category/banking) of America. Shutting that down is a massive engine for deportation.” > > Miller was likely referring to an executive order Trump signed on May 19 that directed [banks and federal regulators](https://foxnews.com/category/politics/finance/financial-regulation) to increase scrutiny of accounts and credit applications involving immigrants without legal status or work authorization. [Alligator Auschwitz is gone but still doing damage.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/shuttered-alligator-alcatraz-leaves-complicated-legacy-in-florida-180000102.html) (The **bolding** is mine; I heard it in Carl Sagan’s voice.) > [@](#): > > TALLAHASSEE, Florida — Last summer, a symbol of President Donald Trump’s campaign against illegal immigration quickly appeared amid the vast Florida Everglades. Less than a year later, the detention facility dubbed “Alligator Alcatraz” was torn down almost as hastily as it was built. > > But what began as an attention-grabbing effort to bolster Trump’s immigration agenda has left in its wake still-unresolved litigation, ongoing questions about sky-high costs and potential environmental impact, and uncertainty over what will happen to the property Florida commandeered from Miami-Dade County now that the facility is closed. > > When the facility opened, the Republican Party of Florida sold themed merchandise — [which can still be bought today](https://secure.winred.com/republican-party-of-florida/storefront/alligator-alcatraz-heather-charcoal-jersey-t-shirt/details) — while Trump joked that detainees would have to learn to dodge alligators if they tried to escape. Those who championed the idea, including Gov. Ron DeSantis, contend it was a success that aligned with White House needs and led to the removal of almost 21,000 people from the country. > > “I have no doubt that when you start talking about 21,000 folks that without question has made our state safer and it’s made the country safer as well,” DeSantis said last month while announcing the closure of the detention center. > > Behind the scenes, however, multiple Republicans have quietly questioned the tremendous cost — standing at as much as **$1 billion** — associated with the temporary project. More vocal critics have lambasted the facility over everything from its location in an environmentally sensitive area to how detainees were treated. _Pesonal note: Given the cruelty connected with everything this mal/misadministration does, I shall never use the term czar for any of their positions. So if they appoint a banking czar, I shall, of course, refer to that person as their banking nazi._ ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7282 "2026-07-19T12:12:54Z")
I don’t want to exonerate any nazi, but I believe you should be more discerning there. You are talking about someone in a position of power, not just any foot soldier thug (see for that the last category I suggest). The czar was the supreme monarch, the equivalent in nazy hierarchy would be Führer, but that seems a bit over the top to me. My sugestions would be: Banking **[Gauleiter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauleiter)**. Banking **[Reichsleiter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsleiter)**. Banking **[Sturmbannführer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmbannf%C3%BChrer)**. Seems more apt for ICE related ranks, but it may be fine for some underlings of the above. Banking **[Obersturmbannführer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obersturmbannf%C3%BChrer)**. Same as above, but higher in rank. And then there are the innumerable Banking (or any other exercise) **[Kapos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo)**. Low rank, mean, spiteful beings full of hatred. They can be generalized as MAGA Kapos. They probably have their own hierarchy, like Oberkapo, Megakapo, Überkapo, but I don’t really want to know that in too much detail. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7283 "2026-07-19T12:21:02Z")
> [@billy-jack](#): > > Maybe he thinks that forests are just big golf courses with lots of obstacles in the fairway My thought on this “Rake the forest” nonsense is, what then? So, we do the impossible: We send teams into the north, deep in the woods where the biggest fires run wild, and we rake up all the leaves, grass, sticks, whatever. And then what? Now we’ve got all that stuff sitting in a big pile somewhere. Where do we take it? Why won’t the big pile just catch fire? A golf course can send stuff like that to a local landfill, but the scale of these forests are so far beyond even the biggest golf course, it’s just ridiculous to think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7284 "2026-07-19T12:46:39Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > He never considered women. Never does. He most definitely considered women. He will use those testosterone levels as an excuse to boot them out or at the very least demote them back to the military secretarial pool. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7285 "2026-07-19T16:00:40Z")
Testosterone, you say? Enhancements? However could the Trump clan make money off this idea, you ask? “The privately-funded games have garnered considerable attention online, and are financially backed by Donald Trump Jr.'s venture capital firm, [1789 Capitol](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/1789-capital-co-leads-series-b-of-enhanced-games-302376008.html), and tech [billionaire Peter Thiel](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/venture-capitalists-christian-angermayer-peter-thiel-and-balaji-srinivasan-join-funding-for-the-enhanced-games-the-21st-century-olympics-without-drug-testing-302049164.html). The company behind the event, the [publicly-traded](https://www.enhanced.com/newsroom/enhanced-to-go-public-through-business-combination-with-a-paradise-acquisition-corp) Enhanced Group, is using the games as a launch pad for their business, [selling peptides and other supplements](https://www.enhanced.com/live-enhanced). Enhanced is also documenting the effects of the drugs on athletes for its own research.” [https://www.npr.org/2026/05/24/nx-s1-5831252/enhanced-games-steroids-olympics-trump](https://www.npr.org/2026/05/24/nx-s1-5831252/enhanced-games-steroids-olympics-trump) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7286 "2026-07-19T19:00:36Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > it’s just ridiculous to think about it. So, well within his wheelhouse. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7287 "2026-07-19T19:12:38Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I’m fairly ignorant of most stuff “medical”, but just how much testostone is a woman supposed to have??? In this case normal is a range of values, from 8-60 ng/dL (that’s nanograms per deciliter) in adult women. How “high” or “excessive” is defined is, well, sort of undefined, there hasn’t been a lot of research about this. I think doctors often go lab values combined with symptoms to diagnose a hormone problem of that sort. From what I can google/duckduckgo/etc. the IOC limit comes to about 144 ng/dL (there are a couple difference ways to measure T, apparently) for female competitors, so they actually allow higher than strictly “normal” for women athletes, although even that upper limit is still below that of men. Compare to normal values for men, which are roughly 300-1,000 ng/dL ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7288 "2026-07-19T21:31:26Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > He can’t charge a tariff on Canada for wildfire smoke, nor will USAians end up paying for it, because USAians aren’t buying the smoke (well they are but euphemistically and then on US based noxious emissions). What he could do is impose a cross-border penalty, a multinational sanction, an extraterritorial forfeiture _et al_. on Canada for breeches of US environmental laws, assuming you lot still have them. And that would also require an existing bi-lateral agreement under international law, which the US actively rejects as undermining American sovereignty and it’s Constitution. I didn’t hear that Donald wanted to charge a tariff ON the smoke. He wanted to charge tariffs IN RETALIATION for the smoke\*. To punish Canadians, and teach them to rake their forests!!! Because he is a moron. But, of course, a moron always looking for that chance to grab a few bucks. \* on goods unrelated to the fires and/or smoke. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7289 "2026-07-19T22:23:11Z")
Trump: Inexplicably starts badmouthing Spain and demanding an embargo Spain: Wins the World Cup > **[Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mq4zyjkz3q2f)** > > Trump: "Spain is a wasted cause. We don't want to do any trade business with Spain anymore, by the way. I'd like to cut it off. Spain is a terrible partner in NATO. Cut off all trade with Spain, please. Including visits. We don't want anything to do.... ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7290 "2026-07-19T22:27:40Z")
And Trump bullied his way in, to present the winners with the trophy. I wonder how that’s going. I must wonder, as I’ve turned off the broadcast. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7291 "2026-07-19T23:07:05Z")
Talk about silver linings for me! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7292 "2026-07-19T23:32:41Z")
He apparently wandered off during the photo op. [![](https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/soccer-football-fifa-world-cup-2026-final-spain-v-argentina-new-york-new-jersey-stadium-east-rutherford-new-jersey-u.jpg?id=67506209&width=3600&height=2399) ](https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/soccer-football-fifa-world-cup-2026-final-spain-v-argentina-new-york-new-jersey-stadium-east-rutherford-new-jersey-u.jpg?id=67506209&width=3600&height=2399) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7293 "2026-07-20T00:14:06Z")
[![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:tm3djotsgwdkml5jn5rpubhd/bafkreigr67lr3hjqrpxmhvl5d6343e42f5xcnmgiumjbajnccf6mpkufxe) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:tm3djotsgwdkml5jn5rpubhd/bafkreigr67lr3hjqrpxmhvl5d6343e42f5xcnmgiumjbajnccf6mpkufxe) ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7294 "2026-07-20T00:45:19Z")
I’ve never watched the World Cup before. I take it the head of state of the host country doesn’t typically insert themselves into the photo of the winning team? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7295 "2026-07-20T00:47:54Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Trump: Inexplicably starts badmouthing Spain and demanding an embargo He did that a little while ago because Spain wasn’t supporting his aggression in the Persian Gulf. So it’s just a continuation. I’m fairly sure he doesn’t have the power to forbid trade with any specific country unless we’re at war with them, but that doesn’t mean he won’t try. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7296 "2026-07-20T01:43:33Z")
…of ONE of the host countries. Canada and Mexico are better behaved. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7297 "2026-07-20T02:25:22Z")
The plan was for Trump and Infantino to give the team the trophy and then step aside, but Trump started wandering instead. On the video you can see Infantino run across the stage and grab him to guide him off, presumably to stop him before he could start doing the double-jerkoff dance. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7298 "2026-07-20T13:42:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Because he is a moron. But, of course, a moron always looking for that chance to grab a few bucks. I’ll paraphrase the old saw hammer: “When the only tool you have is a tariff, everything looks like an import.” Well, okay, they have _two_ tools, but of course he can’t see that he’s a tool. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7299 "2026-07-20T13:45:41Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I wonder how that’s going. I must wonder, as I’ve turned off the broadcast. As soon as I saw that he was there, I knew he was going to pull this shit again. Everyone knew it. Whoever was responsible for this event should have had a plan in place to deal with him, and not look like fools on the world stage. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/7300 "2026-07-20T15:48:37Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > Trump: Inexplicably starts badmouthing Spain and demanding an embargo > > He did that a little while ago because Spain wasn’t supporting his aggression in the Persian Gulf. So it’s just a continuation. I’m fairly sure he doesn’t have the power to forbid trade with any specific country unless we’re at war with them, but that doesn’t mean he won’t try. Also, since Spain is part of the EU, it would be difficult to impossible to embargo Spain alone without the rest of the EU. Just another stupid, meaningless, empty threat from a stupid, meaningless, empty person. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=364) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=366)