# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2025, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/841 "2025-12-20T09:53:39Z")
> [@Monty quoting AOL quoting CBS News](#): > > “Starting next year, American drug prices will come down fast and furious and will soon be the lowest in the developed world,” Mr. Trump said Friday at the White House. (Checks the calendar) A new way of saying, “In two weeks.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2025, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/842 "2025-12-20T11:48:30Z")
Silly post edited out. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/843 "2025-12-20T14:20:45Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > One series of [three](https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%204/EFTA00006109.pdf?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) [consecutive](https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%204/EFTA00006209.pdf?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) [documents](https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%204/EFTA00006309.pdf?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) — totaling 255 pages — is entirely redacted, with each page covered by a black box. Is anybody even a teeny tiny little bit surprised by this? _Of course_ they weren’t going to release anything that mentioned Trump, or any prominent Republicans or donors. Am I _sure_ that’s what’s in the blank pages? No, but I very much doubt there are legitimate national security reasons for the redactions. Releasing the documents, but oh, not _all_ of them, and leaving out key parts of what they did release, is just another example of this administration thumbing their nose at the American people - and at the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/844 "2025-12-20T14:27:02Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The word they argued over was “zug-zug.” The word meant the act of sex. So, snu-snu? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/845 "2025-12-20T16:11:01Z")
Not much. What’s snu with you? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2025, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/846 "2025-12-20T20:44:01Z")
No surprise here, don’t deny asylum/immigration requests enough - get fired. > > > Charles Kuck @ckuck ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/847 "2025-12-21T00:09:25Z")
I’m beyond god damned tired of this lawless motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/848 "2025-12-21T00:37:59Z")
I think this every day. Let’s have the next thing, we’ve been punished enough. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/849 "2025-12-21T02:02:13Z")
I reckon he didn’t deport ALL of them. > Get up, stand up > Don’t give up the fight ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/850 "2025-12-21T02:05:49Z")
That was absolutely my prediction when they said that they were going to start using JAG in immigration court. They want judges they can control. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/851 "2025-12-21T02:21:08Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Someone _ **really** _ wants to go to jail for the felon. Will anyone go to jail? Ever? Backed by a criminal president with unlimited pardon power? More of that old-timey wisdom from our genius ‘founding fathers.’ ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/852 "2025-12-21T03:01:25Z")
The Reich House inserting altered photos into the release (divert, distract, it’s Clinton!!). They took a old photo and altered it so it appeared Bill was with victims. They redacted the faces. It was trivial to find the original with no such BS. > **[MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3mag7myutmc2d)** > > The White House has been caught. > > The administration inserted a photo of Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and Diana Ross into the Epstein files and falsely implied it showed them with victims. > > In reality, it’s a publicly available fundraiser photo... ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/853 "2025-12-21T07:57:38Z")
[Might as well start with the way every act by the felon should be described: raises questions about legality.](https://www.aol.com/articles/trumps-blockade-sanctioned-venezuelan-oil-234010516.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s [“blockade” of sanctioned oil tankers](https://apnews.com/article/trump-venezuela-maduro-oil-tankers-625a7c9a3106e316c97ceb68a42a1cb5) off Venezuela’s coast is raising new questions about the legality of his [military campaign](https://apnews.com/f0cea0fbfcd991066b2489460f685001) in Latin America, while fueling concerns that the U.S. could be edging closer to war. > > The Trump administration says its blockade is narrowly tailored and not targeting civilians, which would be an illegal act of war. But some experts say seizing [sanctioned oil tied to leader Nicolás Maduro](https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-oil-tankers-maduro-trump-blockade-2460e98e4c504cd2a1c86b951e825013) could provoke a military response from Venezuela, engaging American forces in a new level of conflict that goes beyond their [attacks on alleged drug boats](https://apnews.com/article/trump-maduro-venezuela-drug-cartels-military-timeline-91e242e5c56eec39b6b7d72bf55dbd2d). The people on those boats you’ve been sinking _are civilians_, you murderer! That means, by definition, you are targeting civilians. [And now he’s pirated another ship.](https://www.aol.com/articles/exclusive-us-seizes-vessel-off-173453424.html) > [@](#): > > The United States interdicted a tanker off the coast of Venezuela, two sources familiar with the raid told USA TODAY on Dec. 20, just days after President [Donald Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/donald-trump/) announced [a “blockade”](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-orders-blockade-sanctioned-oil-024020825.html) of all sanctioned oil tankers entering and leaving Venezuela. > > The sources identified the vessel as the Centuries, which maritime records show is a Panama-flagged oil tanker. The ship is not under U.S. sanctions, the sources said. Marine traffic trackers showed the Centuries was off the coast of Venezuela in the waters of Curaçao, a Dutch Caribbean island. > > The Centuries is a 333-meter-long oil tanker that last docked in Singapore in October, according to vessel tracker Maritime Optima. Its reported seizure would mark the second time in recent weeks that the United States has seized a tanker near Venezuela and comes amid [a large U.S. military build-up](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-leaves-open-option-war-124129597.html) in the region. The seizure was first reported by Reuters. [The Department of Juggling (, Inept) seems to have lost Epstein documents.](https://www.aol.com/articles/epstein-files-offer-scant-insight-195448130.html) > [@](#): > > NEW YORK (AP) — At least 16 files disappeared from the Justice Department’s public webpage for documents related to [Jeffrey Epstein](https://apnews.com/hub/jeffrey-epstein) — including a photograph showing President Donald Trump — less than a day after they were posted, with no explanation from the government and no notice to the public. > > The missing files, which were available Friday and no longer accessible by Saturday, included images of paintings depicting nude women, and one showing a series of photographs along a credenza and in drawers. In that image, inside a drawer among other photos, was a photograph of Trump, alongside Epstein, Melania Trump and Epstein’s longtime associate Ghislaine Maxwell. [Oh, yeah. The felon is going to start an actual shooting war.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-says-war-country-possible-191142766.html) > [@](#): > > President [Donald Trump](https://www.nj.com/topic/donald-trump/) is leaving the door open for the possibility of a war with Venezuela, according to an [exclusive interview with NBC News](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-not-ruling-war-venezuela-rcna250012) released Friday. > > “I don’t rule it out, no,” he told the outlet in a phone call on Thursday. > > When pressed whether U.S. actions over the past few months could lead to a war, Trump replied, “I don’t discuss it.” > > Last Wednesday, Trump told reporters that the United States seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, describing it as the “largest one ever seized, actually.” He then ramped up further pressure on Tuesday, [announcing](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115731908387416458) a “TOTAL AND COMPLETE” blockade of sanctioned oil tankers entering and leaving the South American country. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/854 "2025-12-21T10:36:10Z")
> “They went into my wife’s closet … they looked at her drawers,” Donald said, referring to Melania, 55, whom he married in 2005. > > Explaining that his wife is “a very meticulous person,” Donald continued, “Her undergarments, sometimes referred to as panties, are folded perfect, wrapped. They’re, like, so perfect.” > > “I think that she steams them,” Donald added. > **[Donald Trump Goes on Lengthy Tangent About Melania's 'Panties' at N.C. Rally:...](https://people.com/donald-trump-goes-on-lengthy-tangent-about-wife-melania-trumps-panties-11873965)** > > Donald Trump spoke about wife Melania Trump's underwear during a lengthy tangent at a North Carolina rally on Dec. 19. The president mentioned the first lady's undergarments as he reflected on the FBI raid of his Palm Beach, Fla., resort Mar-a-Lago... ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/855 "2025-12-21T14:43:33Z")
That’s funny, I’m from Fort Lauderdale and I’ve never seen them called “steamed panties”. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/856 "2025-12-21T15:20:28Z")
Depends what you’ve eaten. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/857 "2025-12-21T15:26:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > President Donald Trump’s [“blockade” of sanctioned oil tankers](https://apnews.com/article/trump-venezuela-maduro-oil-tankers-625a7c9a3106e316c97ceb68a42a1cb5) off Venezuela’s coast is raising new questions about the legality _“Raising new questions”??_ That kind of wimpy language makes me nuts. It’s worse than the passive voice in news articles. WHO is “raising the questions” and what are their credentials? Let’s name some names or at least some job titles. * * * > [@Smapti](#): > > Donald continued, “Her undergarments, sometimes referred to as panties… Dear God… a 12-year old prepubescent boy could not have stated this more awkwardly… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/858 "2025-12-21T15:42:14Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > More of that old-timey wisdom from our genius ‘founding fathers.’ I don’t think we can pin this one on the founders. Congress has abrogated their responsibilities by allowing the president control over taxation and the purse. They often refuse to check his powers for the most part. The Supreme Court doesn’t always rule in Trump’s favor, but they did grant him a kingship, so they too have refused to check the Executive’s power. But the real kick in the teeth is that Americans put Trump in office. Nobody can write a constitution immune to a majority of citizens and all three branches of the government throwing up their hands and declaring it doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/859 "2025-12-21T15:51:59Z")
I was referring specifically to Article !! of the U.S. Constitution which grants the president unlimited power to forgive any federal crime. And yes, I blame the ‘founding fathers.’ It’s an absurd invitation to corruption, with no checks and balances with the other branches of government. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/860 "2025-12-21T17:47:00Z")
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