# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 470
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9381 "2026-10-09T14:38:50Z")
Your first “[quote]” tag also needs to be on its own line. ETA: You appear to have fixed it. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9382 "2026-10-09T14:39:51Z")
Ah yes, thanks! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9383 "2026-10-09T14:58:22Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Sure, despite the fact that: > > > [@](#): > > > > “A lot of Canadians are naive and don’t realize that as a permanent resident, they actually can’t vote in the United States,” he said. > > …should that really be justification for deportation? Actually, maybe, yes: don’t you have to declare citizenship to register? But such a philosophical question is distinct from what’s actually going on, which is scapegoating and the usual fascism. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9384 "2026-10-09T15:08:02Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > In the past, [Len Saunders, an immigration lawyer based in Blaine, Wash.] said, such people could seek American citizenship and sign a declaration acknowledging an illegal vote, expressing remorse and apologizing. “There would be no problem and they would naturalize them as Americans,” he said. That might have been so in the past. I really, really doubt the current maladministration would be so kind and lenient. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9385 "2026-10-09T15:24:26Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > > > …should that really be justification for deportation? > > Actually, maybe, yes: don’t you have to declare citizenship to register? But such a philosophical question is distinct from what’s actually going on, which is scapegoating and the usual fascism. Sometimes there are data issues with state voting registrations and non citizens who have _not_ positively declared themselves to be citizens are registered nonetheless. Some of _those_ registrees also do not know that you can’t vote if you’re not a citizen, and plus, the government is mailing you stuff telling you that you can vote, so they think “Huh. I guess I really can vote?” Which is a separate issue as to whether it justifies deportation. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9386 "2026-10-09T15:40:21Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Ultimately, the more Canadians leaving the the US - regardless of whatever their particular circumstances were - is increasingly fine by me. Wait, are you saying you _want_ Canadians to be deported? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9387 "2026-10-09T16:49:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What platform do they plan on livestreaming that barbarism? I would venture there isn’t an platforms at all which would permit it under their terms of service. My guess is they’ll try to put it on Trump TV. Of course, YouTube may have a disagreement about the propriety of that. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9388 "2026-10-09T16:59:12Z")
I would bet it’s more along the lines that the GOP faithful are bigtime law and order types, and tend to view any sort of law enforcement technology as an unalloyed good if it might catch or impede criminals, no matter how invasive or rights-violating it might be. There are a lot of timorous old farts out there who are scared of “criminals” far out of proportion to the actual number of criminals or crimes, and they see Flock cameras as a _good thing_ as a result. And they almost always vote Trump/GOP because they have positioned themselves as the law & order party opposite the Democrats, whose position as the civil liberties party also sets themselves up as the anti-law enforcement party. It’s basically just trolling the Left and/or signaling to the fearful old farts. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9389 "2026-10-09T17:45:17Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > The current US government (the word administration suggests some degree of competence I don’t see, So does “government,” AFAIAC. Not quite sure what word fits. Maybe _regime_. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9390 "2026-10-09T17:55:21Z")
Incompetent, corrupt governments have been called “governments” in the past. Likewise, administrations. No need to go to such efforts to find a MinTruth approved doubleplusgood neologism when we have one that has served that purpose before. Modifying adjectives are, of course, acceptable as well ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9391 "2026-10-09T17:56:34Z")
> [@bump](#): > > The re are a lot of timorous old farts out there who are scared of “criminals” far out of proportion to the actual number of criminals They seem to forget that the Constitution (Bill of Rights) references _accused persons_, rather than “criminals.” ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9392 "2026-10-09T18:00:54Z")
TBF, a lot of people don’t understand the whole judicial system and assume because someone got caught by the cops that they’re guilty. Innocent until proven guilty is not something that the “tough on crime” set understands. That’s why so many seem to feel like Flock cameras are a good idea, AND why so many seem to think that letting people go on bail is somehow unjust and people are skipping out on punishment. Neither of which is true; pre-trial detainment isn’t punishment, it’s guaranteeing that you’ll show up for your trial, which is why bail is allowed. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9393 "2026-10-09T18:08:35Z")
> [@bump](#): > > TBF, a lot of people don’t understand the whole judicial system and assume because someone got caught by the cops that they’re guilty. Innocent until proven guilty is not something that the “tough on crime” set understands. TBF, I don’t care. Having the franchise, they also bear the responsibility to understand it. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9394 "2026-10-09T19:37:58Z")
Sure, but the vast majority of people are stupid and/or ignorant. And some who are neither are still not very well informed about where to get their information, and get it from highly partisan sites on the right and left. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9395 "2026-10-09T19:56:28Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Sure, but the vast majority of people are stupid and/or ignorant. I won’t disagree with this. > [@bump](#): > > …from highly partisan sites on the right and left. Curious-- what are some “highly partisan sites on the left” that are sources of misinformation? I’d like to check them out. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9396 "2026-10-09T19:59:00Z")
The need to be actively centrist and blame “both sides” is another malignant and deeply ingrained American trait. And it does happen to exist on both the left and right ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9397 "2026-10-09T19:59:39Z")
I never said they were sources of misinformation. I was more implying that they’re heavily biased, and that smart people don’t rely on sources from one side of the spectrum. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9398 "2026-10-09T20:50:42Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Wait, are you saying you _want_ Canadians to be deported? Sure don’t. Would like to see the leavers do so out of their own volition out of disgust for what the US has devolved into. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9399 "2026-10-09T21:38:49Z")
She sounds like an excellent choice. I bet she won’t give hers to a certain war criminal, and warmonger. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9400 "2026-10-09T21:52:24Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I never said they were sources of misinformation. I was more implying that they’re heavily biased Do they exist, though? As in major sources of biased news taken nearly as gospel truth? We know such news sources exist on the right. But there is not much evidence equivalent, major sources of news consumption exist on the left. This really does appear to be a “it must exist on both sides” assumption [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=469)