# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 489
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9761 "2026-10-22T13:09:10Z")
Is the United States even a country any more? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9762 "2026-10-22T13:11:00Z")
[The felon’s whizzing ont the first amendment yet again (or is it still?).](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/white-house-reportedly-demands-politico-225430958.html) > [@](#): > > The White House is demanding that Politico retract or amend three recent stories it published about palace intrigue, Axios reported on Wednesday. > > “The White House counsel’s office warned Politico in a Monday letter that it had 48 hours to retract or correct recent stories about alleged staff drama, or it would suffer unspecified consequences,” the outlet [stated](https://www.axios.com/2026/10/21/white-house-politico-retract-stories-or-face-consequences). The deadline reportedly expires on Thursday. [SECWARCRIM rewrites histroy big time.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/pete-hegseth-saying-5-countries-113051680.html) > [@](#): > > Defense Secretary [Pete Hegseth](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/pete-hegseth) sparked backlash from U.S. military veterans and several European politicians after suggesting “one or two” U.S.-allied countries were actively involved in combat operations in [Afghanistan](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/afghanistan) as the yearslong conflict drew to a close. > > Hegseth, who completed active-duty deployments in the Middle East, including Afghanistan, told cadets and military recruits at the University of Tennessee on Saturday he recalled dozens of flags on display in Kabul during the two decades of U.S. and [NATO](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/nato)-led fighting against the Taliban. > > “Except there were, like, maybe five that contributed,” Hegseth remarked. “It was actually closer to one or two that, by the end, were actually involved in kinetic operations.” > > A total of 51 NATO and U.S.-aligned countries deployed troops to Afghanistan after the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001, as part of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) mission and the U.S.'s Operation Enduring Freedom. [Reporter asks the felon to provide a logical explanation. Meltdown ensues.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-calls-media-members-dummies-211608679.html) > [@](#): > > Trump took questions from reporters outside the White House Wednesday afternoon and ripped into CNN Chief White House Correspondent [Kaitlan Collins](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kaitlan-collins-trump-cnn-media-b3062112.html), one of his common targets, when she tried to ask about his decision to [waive sanctions on Russia](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/donald-trump-ukraine-kyiv-elon-musk-wes-streeting-b3068457.html) that were part of a bill he signed last month. & > [@](#): > > “I have the right to do them at any day,” Trump said Wednesday about implementing the sanctions. > > The president started to speak on what would happen if Russia behaved “badly,” before being interrupted by Collins. > > “You don’t know what you’re talking about,” he told Collins as he waved her off. “You’re a low-IQ person, you’re a dummy, and you work for CNN.” & > [@](#): > > Trump also went after an ABC News reporter who pressed him on the Russian sanctions. > > “How is waiving those sanctions on Russia to secure the release of Hubbard not giving something to Russia in exchange?” the reporter asked. > > “Are you a stupid person? Who do you work for?” Trump asked. > > When the reporter said, “ABC News,” Trump bashed the outlet. > > “You’re a stupid person — and by the way, your network is the worst of all,” he said. [The war on education continues.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-team-ready-fine-americans-105855326.html) > [@](#): > > The Trump administration is considering fining Americans who are late with their student loan repayments, according to a report. > > _[The Washington Sun](https://www.washingtonsun.com/economy/trump-aides-plan-penalize-defaulting-student-loan-borrowers)_[reports](https://www.washingtonsun.com/economy/trump-aides-plan-penalize-defaulting-student-loan-borrowers) the policy could even see the [Treasury](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/treasury) hire private debt collectors to help reclaim the money from former students who are behind on their obligations. But the move could ultimately compound former students’ debt problems, if they were already struggling to pay off their loans amid soaring living costs. > > Should the administration ultimately decide to implement such a potentially divisive strategy, it is not expected to be announced before next month’s midterms elections, the outlet adds. [Pubbie senator says it’s not Trump’s fault for high diesel prices. It’s Zelenskyy’s.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/kansas-sen-roger-marshall-says-023949599.html) > [@](#): > > TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas Republican Sen. Roger Marshall said Wednesday that Ukraine’s war with Russia — and not the U.S. war with Iran — was to blame for [high diesel prices](https://apnews.com/article/farmers-enthusiasm-trump-republicans-midterms-kansas-iowa-806aed24f271a422f16d1a41f2610e42) that have imperiled his party’s control of Congress in the midterm elections. > > The answer, delivered during a debate with Democratic challenger Adam Hamilton, aligned Marshall with President Donald Trump’s [freshly antagonistic posture](https://apnews.com/article/trump-zelenskyy-putin-ukraine-russia-war-5ff9a53edf6d0f338f40709af6dc9c11) toward Ukraine, which has spent more than four years defending itself against an invasion. Trump says Ukraine’s strikes on Moscow’s refineries are responsible for high fuel costs, and said he wants to alleviate the problem by importing Russian diesel. > > Marshall balked at that Wednesday, saying “it doesn’t sound like a great idea.” But he said “if this brings Russia to the bargaining table, and it ends the war, then I am all for it right now.” [Fox News is starting to act like journalism is their bag, baby.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/fox-news-reporter-unloads-trump-234636089.html) (The formatting is from the linked article.) > [@](#): > > **Jacqui Heinrich** , the senior White House correspondent at Fox News, blasted President **Donald Trump’s** administration for restricting a journalist’s access over questions the president didn’t like, condemning the move as outright “retaliation.” > > Heinrich, the president of the White House Correspondents’ Association, wrote on [social media](https://x.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/2113044373684531217?s=20) Wednesday: > > > _The White House Correspondents’ Association strongly objects to the decision to restrict a journalist’s coverage simply because the president didn’t care for their questioning. That is retaliation. The American public’s right to an independent press depends on reporters being able to do their jobs without fear that challenging the president will cut off their access. > > – Jacqui Heinrich, WHCA President_ > > Her words come just minutes after Semafor’s **Max Tani** [reported](https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/white-house-reportedly-yanks-journalist-from-upcoming-assignment-after-trump-lashed-out-at-him/) [that](https://x.com/maxwelltani/status/2113035699238875555?s=20) _The Independent’s_ **Andrew** **Feinberg** , though scheduled as tomorrow’s print pooler, “confirms to me that, without explanation, the White House told him today that he would no longer be the print pooler on Trump’s Thursday trip.” [Apparenlty breaking up is not all that hard to do.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-humiliated-scotus-picks-side-210458671.html) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump’s three Supreme Court appointees broke ranks Wednesday to deny an emergency request from his administration. > > The Supreme Court upheld a lower court’s block on a Bureau of Prisons policy that restricted gender-affirming care for federal inmates with a 7-2 decision, with Trump appointees Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett siding with the court’s liberal wing. > > The court issued an [unsigned](https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/102126zr_5i36.pdf), one-sentence order with no explanation. It noted that the conservatives Clarence Thomas, appointed by George H.W. Bush, and Samuel Alito, appointed by George W. Bush, were the only justices to dissent. [The master geographer now says the US can leave Europe.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-skips-details-issues-threat-135647483.html) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump has said the U.S. could “leave” Europe after blaming immigrants, religious extremists and left-wing groups for widespread riots that have broken out across multiple French cities in recent days. > > It’s not clear what the president meant by those remarks, and the White House has been approached for comment via email. The comments nevertheless raise fresh questions about the future of Washington’s relationship with its traditional allies. Here’s the money quote. > [@](#): > > “Europe has to CLOSE THEIR BORDERS, and get out the people who hate their countries, and get them out FAST, before it is too late!” Trump said. > > “We stand with Europe, despite its flaws, its weaknesses and, hopefully, its temporary loss of direction. But if they don’t soon find their way, we will have no choice but to leave,” Trump added. I’m confused. Does the United State still actually have any allies in Europe now? [Do you notice a bit of a conundrum here?](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-shares-google-response-renaming-085947336.html) > [@](#): > > President [Donald Trump](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/donald-trump) has claimed he spoke to [Google](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/google) about renaming a body of water after himself, saying the technology company rejected the idea because [oceans](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/oceans) border multiple countries. > > Trump told supporters at Wednesday’s rally in South Carolina that he asked Google CEO Sundar Pichai to suggest renaming either the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean the “Trump Ocean,” but was told it could not because oceans span numerous countries. > > Trump said he had contacted Pichai after [Google updated its maps](https://www.newsweek.com/google-maps-gulf-mexico-america-name-change-donald-trump-2021853)to reflect the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of America for U.S. users. The Gulf of _ **Mexico** _ also borders multiple countries. [What’s a little election interference among scum?](https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/trump-says-permanent-e-15-120000464.html) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump on Monday promised he would implement the permanent year-round sale of gasoline with 15% ethanol on one condition: the reelection of a beleaguered Republican senator from Kansas. > > “With Roger Marshall in the Senate, we will make year-round E15 permanent. But if Adam Hamilton is in, I’m not doing it. That’s it,” Trump said at a [Kansas rally on Oct. 19](https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-speech-midterm-political-rally-park-city-kansas-october-19-2026). “I’m only doing it for him. That’s a big deal for Kansas, actually.” > [@Alessan](#): > > Is the United States even a country any more? Not a well-functioning one. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9763 "2026-10-22T13:15:57Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Is the United States even a country any more? For now. At the very least, you’d think Trump would keep FEMA around just so he can help red states and withhold assistance from blue states as a form of punishment for not voting for him. For whatever reason, probably related to graft, Trump seems hellbent on doing as much damage to the United States as possible. If the Republicans face an overwhelming loss during the midterms and they lose control of Congress, I expect Trump’s efforts to harm the United States will increase. How dare the United State fail him. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9764 "2026-10-22T13:22:17Z")
It is a pity tropical storm “Vance” won’t be able to leap the continent to land near Mar-a-lago; I would expect a huge FEMA response to be ordered to save the gold trinkets and assorted left-over classified documents lying around there. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9765 "2026-10-22T13:27:55Z")
Just pile the furniture in a corner. The storm will fuck that up and won’t even look at anything else ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9766 "2026-10-22T13:46:39Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > For whatever reason, probably related to graft, Trump seems hellbent on doing as much damage to the United States as possible. The reason, I think, is quite obvious. He will never forgive the country for not re-electing him in 2020. That is alll he needs to justify his punishment. What is not obvious is why so many are absolutely thrilled to accept this punishment. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9767 "2026-10-22T14:02:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > President [Donald Trump](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/donald-trump) has claimed he spoke to [Google](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/google) about renaming a body of water after himself, saying the technology company rejected the idea because [oceans](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/oceans) border multiple countries. > > > > Trump told supporters at Wednesday’s rally in South Carolina that he asked Google CEO Sundar Pichai to suggest renaming either the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean the “Trump Ocean,” but was told it could not because oceans span numerous countries. I doubt whether this exchange really happened at all, but if it did, the proper response from Google was not, “because oceans span numerous countries,” but because **“THE WHOLE IDEA IS AS BATSHIT CRAZY AS YOU ARE!!”** ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9768 "2026-10-22T14:35:03Z")
The Border Patrol at work: > If you’re wondering just how bleak things are on the immigration front, how about this: The Department of Homeland Security is about to allow Customs and Border Protection to do a little experiment with a heat ray weapon at the border, and it’s one that the military has declined to use because military commanders were afraid it would be seen as a torture **[device](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-120m-pentagons-ray-gun-languishes/)**. … > The heat ray, which is actually called the Active Denial System, fires an energy beam that creates a sensation described as being hit by scalding water as the energy beam **[penetrates](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-pentagons-ray-gun/)** through the top layer of your skin. The idea is that it’s so immediately and deeply painful that you’ll do anything to get away from it. > > CNN is **[reporting](https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/21/politics/heat-ray-weapon-dhs-pentagon)** that the Pentagon has signed off on letting DHS use it, while also washing its hands of it. The memo the network saw states that the heat ray “shall not be operated by DoW (Department of War) personnel” and DHS is responsible for “system employment, use and development of tactics, techniques and procedures.” > **[Military won’t use cartoonishly evil ‘heat ray’—but Border Patrol will](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2026/10/22/800115838/immigration/military-wont-use-cartoonishly-evil-heat-ray-but-border-patrol-will/)** > > Terrific government we’ve got right now, huh. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9769 "2026-10-22T14:35:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Witkoff, a real estate developer with no experience in diplomacy This wasn’t **Monty** , but one of the quoted articles. It just isn’t factual. He’s not good at diplomacy; he had no prior experience in diplomacy. By now, though, he has a lot of experience in it. His experience level isn’t why he’s a terrible person for the job. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9770 "2026-10-22T15:16:18Z")
Maybe silly question, but, does this 2020s style heat ray actually damage the person being hit, or does it just make you feel like you’re being burned? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9771 "2026-10-22T15:27:19Z")
If operated and maintained properly, it shouldn’t. But let’s say I have my doubts about how properly they will operate or maintain anything more complex than a stick. Actually, I’m not sure they’d use a stick properly, either ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9772 "2026-10-22T15:42:01Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > The Border Patrol at work I mentioned that above and called it a death ray. > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > His experience level isn’t why he’s a terrible person for the job. Hey, Mister Kotter! Mister Kotter! I know why he’s a terrible person for the job. He’s a terrible person for any job. That’s because, like the rest of the convict’s crew, he’s a terrible person. > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Maybe silly question, but, does this 2020s style heat ray actually damage the person being hit, or does it just make you feel like you’re being burned? If it makes you feel like you’re being burned, believe you’re being burned, then that’s psychological torture. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9773 "2026-10-22T15:58:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > If it makes you feel like you’re being burned, believe you’re being burned, then that’s psychological torture. Did I ask if it was torture? No, I asked if it damaged human bodies. A completely different question. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9774 "2026-10-22T16:02:40Z")
I’ve read that it purportedly feels like making contact with a hot incandescent light bulb. That’s not nice. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9775 "2026-10-22T16:30:45Z")
I think that the ~~Death Ray~~ Active Denial System heats the deeper layers of your skin to 130F ~ 54°C, a temperature which is enough to cause a second-degree burn in about 30 seconds and a third-degree burn in approximately 15 seconds. How long do you think the highly trained goons of Borderline p’Troll will keep that ray pointed at somebody without interruption? Do you think they will only use one at a time? Or will they make sure it really works by employing redundancy? Will they point at your body, or your eyes, or your genitalia? I doubt the results are the same. In other words: even if this weapon is harmless when employed correctly: would you trust them to? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9776 "2026-10-22T16:35:26Z")
They’re certainly not going to do anything nice with it. I’m imagining a young boy, a magnifying glass, a fly and a sunny day. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9777 "2026-10-22T17:11:56Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > At the very least, you’d think Trump would keep FEMA around just so he can help red states and withhold assistance from blue states as a form of punishment for not voting for him. For whatever reason, probably related to graft, Trump seems hellbent on doing as much damage to the United States as possible. My theory is that FEMA is akin to a cookie jar and Trump has raided it enough times now that they cannot even pretend to be able to do their jobs correctly because he has all of their money. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > “THE WHOLE IDEA IS AS BATSHIT CRAZY AS YOU ARE!!” As an aside, I wonder how many people are now onboard with the idea that Trump has rapidly progressing dementia? It wasn’t that long ago that Trump would show some sign of this and it would be dismissed (not by you, @ThelmaLou and not calling out anyone in particular) as “he’s just old”. There are clearly some major issues going on with Trump and I think he’s beyond sane-washing now. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9778 "2026-10-22T17:21:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > He REALLY thinks he owns Greenland now > > > Trump says NATO was “nice enough to give us Greenland. We got Greenland.” I wonder if Rubio got so sick of hearing trump’s constant whining about Greenland, like a toddler who had to have someone else’s toy, he finally said “it’s okay sir, NATO just gave us Greenland”. > [@Smapti](#): > > And, as a reporter pointed out today, this program is smaller and less potentially rewarding than one that has already existed for 163 years. > > [@atrupar.com on Bluesky](https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mydchv4dp52v) That reporter wrote a story about his trump encounter: > **[Trump lost it and ordered me to be ‘quiet’ in the Oval Office. Then it got...](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-the-independent-reporter-oval-office-andrew-feinberg-b3070310.html)** > > What was supposed to be an announcement on fraud quickly devolved into Trump vs The Independent. Andrew Feinberg details how it all happened in the Oval Office ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9779 "2026-10-22T19:50:01Z")
Ugh. [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/bafkreidznxqgj7rmrjlvjvdikvphrhqvu6e7crhlpzzkyiocgd6c6xqawq) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/bafkreidznxqgj7rmrjlvjvdikvphrhqvu6e7crhlpzzkyiocgd6c6xqawq) ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/9780 "2026-10-22T20:48:05Z")
I guess he never heard of the resounding endorsement RFK’s family gave him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=488) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=490)