# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 1, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298 "2025-12-01T20:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1301 "2026-01-07T16:23:16Z")
> [@doomtastic](#): > > I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if NATO is defunct within a decade. How can you possibly rely on any security guarantees from the US at this point? I think NATO will continue but will boot out the US. Europe is perfectly capable of defending itself against Russia – note that Russia was unable to defeat Ukraine; they’re certainly not going to do well against a united Germany/France/UK. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1302 "2026-01-07T16:24:22Z")
> [@doomtastic](#): > > How can you possibly rely on any security guarantees from the US at this point? [https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/11/12/why-britain-may-have-stopped-sharing-some-intelligence-with-america](https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/11/12/why-britain-may-have-stopped-sharing-some-intelligence-with-america) This is just the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1303 "2026-01-07T16:54:23Z")
> [@doomtastic](#): > > The backstabbing of our allies, constant threats of military force, non-existent policy direction and the ever present threat of Trump creating pure chaos on the international stage… I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if NATO is defunct within a decade. How can you possibly rely on any security guarantees from the US at this point? A decade? I would not be shocked if NATO is defunct by this time next year. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1304 "2026-01-07T17:02:02Z")
… and Colombia (mentioned in the _Economist_ article) and the Netherlands: > **[Which Countries Have Stopped Sharing Intelligence With U.S.?](https://time.com/7333231/countries-stop-sharing-intelligence-with-united-states-amid-boat-strikes-caribbean/)** > > Some countries have now suspended—or curtailed—their intelligence sharing with the U.S. Here's what to know. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1305 "2026-01-07T17:26:56Z")
> [@doomtastic](#): > > If Putin was personally directing all of Trumps actions.., I don’t know what would be different from what we actually see playing out. Other than being managed more competently… ---
**Author:** ![doomtastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8c91f0/32.png) [@doomtastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doomtastic)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1306 "2026-01-07T18:24:45Z")
The only reason I say a decade is that it takes time to disentangle from a coalition like NATO. So, I assume the process is started already but will take time (because bureaucracy) to complete. ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1307 "2026-01-07T19:47:26Z")
Greetings from scenic Calgary! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1308 "2026-01-07T22:32:00Z")
The latest “science” from the admin; Tylenol bad, alcohol good. > **[Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mbtwm3kejx2o)** > > Oz: "Alcohol is a social lubricant that brings people together. In the best case scenario, I don't think you should drink alcohol, but it does allow people an excuse to bond and socialize and there's probably nothing healthier than having a good time... ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1309 "2026-01-07T22:55:18Z")
> [@doomtastic](#): > > The only reason I say a decade is that it takes time to disentangle from a coalition like NATO. So, I assume the process is started already but will take time (because bureaucracy) to complete. It’s not only the bureaucracy. NATO membership is by treaty. Leaving it, contrary to the convicted felon’s imaginings requires a bit more than just his say so. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1310 "2026-01-07T22:56:17Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Trump: "Transgender for everyone! Bring your kids in, we’re gonna change the sex of your child. Just send them our way. In some cases, like in Minnesota, they don’t even tell the parents. **Nobody believes it when I say it.** > [https://www.threads.com/@aaron.rupar/post/DTLV9fWib2M?xmt=AQF0HG2EEeJioOVJbVm-fBvcFH8KPxq7XxcEKcZxI9N7j9HlXNPTpHWQCT3\_IIQUaahwZXv2&slof=1](https://www.threads.com/@aaron.rupar/post/DTLV9fWib2M?xmt=AQF0HG2EEeJioOVJbVm-fBvcFH8KPxq7XxcEKcZxI9N7j9HlXNPTpHWQCT3_IIQUaahwZXv2&slof=1) Take THAT, all you people who say Trump never tells the truth! (bolding mine) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1311 "2026-01-07T23:04:16Z")
Maybe he’s preparing his bsae for his coming out announcement. The protesting too much (aka accufession) coupled with the new pink hairdo lean towards that. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1312 "2026-01-07T23:17:24Z")
I raise my glass to that. Drinking happily alone in front of my computer. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1313 "2026-01-08T00:37:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Take THAT, all you people who say Trump never tells the truth! (bolding mine) “Nobody believes it when I say it” is definitely true. Especially since he doesn’t really care what shit comes out of his mouth. In his insane ramble to the Republican caucus that I posted above, he said this: > [@from the link in post 1292](#): > > It was a very good boxer, but he wanted to be a woman, which is, you know, to each his own. Because I want to be very liberal when it comes to these subjects. I’m trying to get that vote. So apparently “Transgender for everyone!” is just fine with him if it serves his purposes at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1314 "2026-01-08T01:42:53Z")
It’s worth reading this _Atlantic_ article posted today about Stephen Miller, perhaps the most dangerous person in the administration next to Trump himself. > **[The Wrath of Stephen Miller](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/01/stephen-miller-trump-white-house/685516/)** > > The man who turns President Trump’s most incendiary impulses into policy ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1315 "2026-01-08T02:46:21Z")
I posted a gift link to that article today with extensive quotes from it. > [@Bannon & Miller-- who is their choice to replace Trump?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bannon-miller-who-is-their-choice-to-replace-trump/1026129/64): > > This is why Stephen Miller and his choice to replace trump matters, for those who were wondering why I started this thread. Miller is not going to step down when trump leaves the presidency, whether upright or horizontally. Miller is driven, and he will want the next Republican president to be as much his puppet as trump is/was. He is behind a lot of the things we despise about the trump administration. (This is supposed to be a gift link. You may be asked to create a free login in order to r… I think Miller is more dangerous than trump. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1316 "2026-01-08T04:45:19Z")
The thing is, the entire outfit who are in place because of Trump are more dangerous than he is. The only thing he did was function as the banana peel for them to slip into position to implement their nefarious dreams. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1317 "2026-01-08T06:08:21Z")
[Holy shit!](https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-global-organizations-un-daaa4c9f459d7a492536a1a4e3b7697c) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration says it’s going to [depart 66 international organizations](https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-trump-international-organizations-withdrawal-d704fb9b444dc9cf569865d391b544a6), nearly half them affiliated with the United Nations. > > Many focus on climate, labor, migration and other issues the Trump administration has categorized as catering to diversity and “woke” initiatives. > > Here is a list of all the agencies that the U.S. is exiting, according to the White House: > > ## Non-U. N. organizations > > — 24/7 Carbon-Free Energy Compact > > — Colombo Plan Council > > — Commission for Environmental Cooperation > > — Education Cannot Wait > > — European Centre of Excellence for Countering Hybrid Threats > > — Forum of European National Highway Research Laboratories > > — Freedom Online Coalition > > — Global Community Engagement and Resilience Fund > > — Global Counterterrorism Forum > > — Global Forum on Cyber Expertise > > — Global Forum on Migration and Development > > — Inter-American Institute for Global Change Research > > — Intergovernmental Forum on Mining, Minerals, Metals, and Sustainable Development > > — Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change > > — Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services > > — International Centre for the Study of the Preservation and Restoration of Cultural Property > > — International Cotton Advisory Committee > > — International Development Law Organization > > — International Energy Forum > > — International Federation of Arts Councils and Culture Agencies > > — International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance > > — International Institute for Justice and the Rule of Law > > — International Lead and Zinc Study Group > > — International Renewable Energy Agency > > — International Solar Alliance > > — International Tropical Timber Organization > > — International Union for Conservation of Nature > > — Pan American Institute of Geography and History > > — Partnership for Atlantic Cooperation > > — Regional Cooperation Agreement on Combating Piracy and Armed Robbery against Ships in Asia > > — Regional Cooperation Council > > — Renewable Energy Policy Network for the 21st Century > > — Science and Technology Center in Ukraine > > — Secretariat of the Pacific Regional Environment Programme > > — Venice Commission of the Council of Europe > > ## United Nations organizations > > — Department of Economic and Social Affairs > > — U.N. Economic and Social Council, or ECOSOC — Economic Commission for Africa > > — ECOSOC — Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean > > — ECOSOC — Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific > > — ECOSOC — Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia > > — International Law Commission > > — International Residual Mechanism for Criminal Tribunals > > — International Trade Centre > > — Office of the Special Adviser on Africa > > — Office of the Special Representative of the secretary-general for Children in Armed Conflict > > — Office of the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict > > — Office of the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Violence Against Children > > — Peacebuilding Commission > > — Peacebuilding Fund > > — Permanent Forum on People of African Descent > > — U.N. Alliance of Civilizations > > — U.N. Collaborative Programme on Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation in Developing Countries > > — U.N. Conference on Trade and Development > > — U.N. Democracy Fund > > — U.N. Energy > > — U.N. Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women > > — U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change > > — U.N. Human Settlements Programme > > — U.N. Institute for Training and Research > > — U.N. Oceans > > — U.N. Population Fund > > — U.N. Register of Conventional Arms > > — U.N. System Chief Executives Board for Coordination > > — U.N. System Staff College > > — U.N. Water > > — U.N. University Okay. Who’s surprised? ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1318 "2026-01-08T06:33:06Z")
Not surprised. This massive list just makes me feel hollowed out. Despondent. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1319 "2026-01-08T06:53:56Z")
I’m waiting for his blathering about UN University not being a real university and how he was treated so badly for his “university” fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298/1320 "2026-01-08T13:07:42Z")
Trump doesn’t want to be Putin. He wants to be Kim Jong Un and the US to be North Korea. People are to be poor, uninformed, frightened, obedient and worshipful of the Great Leader while he and his toadies steal the country’s assets. This Congress will be vilified by history as the ones who abdicated their duty and let it happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-2/1025298.md?page=67)