# The Trump Campaign Promise Walk-Back Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556 "2016-11-12T00:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/21 "2016-11-12T13:15:38Z")
My predictions include: - No wall. - No substantive change to NAFTA - No real change to deportation of illegals beyond what’s currently in effect, he’ll just chat it up bigly. - No muslim ban. - No substantive change to ACA, but what small changes are made will be hyped and will result in further rate hikes. - No major infrastructure projects but empty talk will continue. - Not a single major american corp will be compelled to bring jobs back from abroad. - Trump will bend over and take everything Putin wants to shove up his ass without the slightest bit of complaint. In fact, it’ll be spun as a Winning! better diplomatic relations with Russia. To appease his supporters: - A special prosecutor will be named to investigate the Clintons. Because that’s cheap thrills and low risk. It won’t yield actual results. It’ll just go on and on and on as a distraction from every broken promise. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/22 "2016-11-12T13:29:36Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > While I am pretty sure he will be tough on immigration policy (real immigration reform would be a good thing), I don’t think we are going to see him having a giant wall built. Even if he does, I am confident that Mexico isn’t going to be the one that pays for it. Hey, beefing up the border with a better human patrol is building a metaphorical “wall” of people. I will sell this idea to Trump pretty cheaply. I haven’t figured out how to get Mexico to pay for it, unless we want to start shooting trespassers on sight, and make them “pay” in blood, and I think that will be so unpopular with much of the US population, that I don’t even want to suggest it. I’m working on something better. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/23 "2016-11-12T13:32:30Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > My predictions include: > > - No wall. There already is a lot of wall down there: [![](https://i1.wp.com/angiesdiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mexican-wall.jpg?resize=500%2C281&ssl=1) ](https://i1.wp.com/angiesdiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mexican-wall.jpg?resize=500%2C281&ssl=1) Most presidents fulfill most campaign promises, especially if they control Congress. Trump will wait until the alt right finds an appealing murder victim whose demise they can blame on an undocumented immigrant, and then make his push to steal money from remittances to pay for more wall. He will wait until an ISIS-inspired attack on American soil, and then launch his attack to take the oil. That also could be when he’ll start in on his promise to do “much worse” than water-boarding. But, hey, I hope you are right and I am wrong. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/24 "2016-11-12T13:33:57Z")
Oh, and one more prediction - Pence will leave his VP position to pursue other options. Possibly in year one. Would not shock me if he’s replaced before the inauguration. Neither man has any affection for the other. This is not a marriage of convenience. It’s an arranged marriage that will end up in a quicky divorce. Every time I see Pence standing next to Trump, the disgust and bile for Trump in Pence’s entire demeanor is palpable. (Tell me it isn’t just me who noticed.) ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/25 "2016-11-12T13:46:49Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Every time I see Pence standing next to Trump, the disgust and bile for Trump in Pence’s entire demeanor is palpable. (Tell me it isn’t just me who noticed.) No. That’s Pence’s natural expression. He’s kind of like a Pug dog. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/26 "2016-11-12T14:00:01Z")
I don’t think he’s going to go after Clinton at all. Do you think if, a week before the election, he had said “No, we’re not really going to lock her up” he would have won the election? Anyway, he also promised the death penalty for cop killers, tougher libel laws, and that people would start saying Merry Christmas again. I think all three of those are likely unconstitutional, but he did make those promises. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/27 "2016-11-12T15:02:17Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Oh, and one more prediction - > > Pence will leave his VP position to pursue other options. Possibly in year one. Would not shock me if he’s replaced before the inauguration. > > Neither man has any affection for the other. This is not a marriage of convenience. It’s an arranged marriage that will end up in a quicky divorce. Arranged marriages have a much lower divorce rate, actually. I think it’s a very unlikely thing to hope for. Pence is probably not going anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/28 "2016-11-12T15:04:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Democrats will probably welcome Trump behaving more reasonably, although they will use it against him in four years, as they should. Completely misrepresenting yourself in order to get elected should not be rewarded. And once again we have someone overestimating the intelligence of the average American voter. You’d think this election would have _firmly_ put that idea to rest, but no. Do you _think_ the average Trump voter knows that most politicians generally try to make good on their promises? Or do you think they’re going to see this as just “business as usual”? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/29 "2016-11-12T16:44:59Z")
Less than a month ago he issued a plan on how he was going to get rid of lobbyists in Washington. He now plans to put a Verizon Lobbyist in charge of the FCC (bye bye Net Neutrality) and an Oil Lobbyist in charge of Energy (Do I really need a Parenthetical here?). ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/30 "2016-11-12T17:02:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Completely misrepresenting yourself in order to get elected should not be rewarded. You did reward him. Its not as if it wasn’t perfectly fucking clear that he was lying constantly throughout the entire election, but you lot elected him anyway. It will just make people look _even more stupid_ (if thats possible) if they now try to claim that lies are bad and that Trump shouldn’t have lied. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/31 "2016-11-12T17:17:36Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > And once again we have someone overestimating the intelligence of the average American voter. You’d think this election would have _firmly_ put that idea to rest, but no. Do you _think_ the average Trump voter knows that most politicians generally try to make good on their promises? Or do you think they’re going to see this as just “business as usual”? I do not have any hope that Trump supporters care about holding Trump’s feet to the fire. They made it perfectly clear that ideology doesn’t matter. My hope is that they’ll turn on him for being far more interested in playing golf at Mar-a-Lago than in actually governing or dealing with the first inevitable mass school shooting, terrorist attack and/or natural disaster. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/32 "2016-11-12T17:59:32Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > I do not have any hope that Trump supporters care about holding Trump’s feet to the fire. They made it perfectly clear that ideology doesn’t matter. > > My hope is that they’ll turn on him for being far more interested in playing golf at Mar-a-Lago than in actually governing or dealing with the first inevitable mass school shooting, terrorist attack and/or natural disaster. Is playing lots of golf worse than GW cutting brush at the ranch? Don’t recall a lot of Republican criticism of that. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/33 "2016-11-12T18:09:34Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > You did reward him. Its not as if it wasn’t perfectly fucking clear that he was lying constantly throughout the entire election, but you lot elected him anyway. > > It will just make people look _even more stupid_ (if thats possible) if they now try to claim that lies are bad and that Trump shouldn’t have lied. [Nitpick] **adaher** didn’t vote for Trump. [/nitpick] ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/34 "2016-11-12T18:40:09Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > [Nitpick] > > **adaher** didn’t vote for Trump. > > [/nitpick] So he says. I think that it doesn’t matter and that you are all complicit. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/35 "2016-11-12T18:47:03Z")
I voted for Clinton. I have no way of proving this to you, unless you scan my posting history, where I’ve stated that several times. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/36 "2016-11-12T20:52:19Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Is playing lots of golf worse than GW cutting brush at the ranch? Don’t recall a lot of Republican criticism of that. I recall plenty of criticism from both sides regarding Bush’s handling of Katrina. ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/37 "2016-11-12T21:50:33Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > So he says. I think that it doesn’t matter and that you are all complicit. Who is “you” here? Republicans? Americans? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/38 "2016-11-12T21:52:56Z")
OK, so we shouldn’t take anything Trump says seriously, because he says stuff he doesn’t really mean. That would be peachy if he was just the drunk at the end of the bar. If Trump came from a working class family, I’m not convinced he could get a job at Dairy Queen. American celebrity worship is sickening. Now we have President Costanza. Jesus wept. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/39 "2016-11-12T21:55:27Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > My predictions include: > > - No major infrastructure projects but empty talk will continue. Actually, I think this is one of the items he’ll insist on. Foreknowledge of, to say nothing of control over, those projects would a license to print money for a real estate guy who doesn’t give a crap about ethics rules. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/40 "2016-11-12T22:04:17Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I seriously doubt he’s tearing up NAFTA either, since he needs Congress for that. Don’t be surprised when he quietly signs off on TPP after the inauguration, either. He’s a businessman who likely understands the appeal of open trade. Trudeau has already said that if Trump wants to renegotiate NAFTA, we are more than ready to take part in new negotiations. Key word - negotiations. There are plenty of things in NAFTA that Canada would like to renegotiate to make it a better deal for us. All the cards will be back on the table in any new negotiations. There is no way on God’s green earth that Trump will simply NOT have a trade treaty with Canada. It’s not possible. We’re your biggest trading partner. The auto industry supply chain is now fully integrated across the border. Shut down trade with Canada, and Michigan would not make another car for years, until new industries were created to replace those in Canada. Rinse and repeat for other industries. NAFTA is complex, and has been in place far too long to simply “tear it up”. Won’t happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556.md?page=3)