# The Trump Campaign Promise Walk-Back Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556 "2016-11-12T00:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/81 "2016-11-14T03:47:30Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > How much will it cost the taxpayers to secure Trump Tower in the middle of Manhattan? I assume he lives in a penthouse with a helipad, so at least he won’t have to step out onto a Manhattan sidewalk, but even so, it would seem like they would have to disallow traffic for at least the immediate block around it. > > And what about other tenants? [From here.](https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-no-helicopter-landing-pad-on-top-of-Trump-Tower) > [@](#): > > Rooftop helipads were banned in New York City after 9/11. Only the three helipads; Wall St, East 30st and West 30st are open today. All of these are on the water. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/82 "2016-11-14T03:59:38Z")
Okay, so that makes things even trickier. He’ll be constantly disrupting Manhattan with his comings and goings. I guess he’d have to be driven to and from LaGuardia. I have to wonder if he’s even thought this through. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/83 "2016-11-14T04:09:44Z")
> [@Frankenstein\_Monster](#): > > I didn’t see if this was linked here? > > [Donald Trump, in Exclusive Interview, Tells WSJ He Is Willing to Keep Parts of Obama Health Law](http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-willing-to-keep-parts-of-health-law-1478895339) > > Some selected quotes: > > - Mr. Trump said he favors keeping the prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of patients’ existing conditions, and a provision that allows parents to provide years of additional coverage for children on their insurance policies. > > - On health care, Mr. Trump said a big reason for his shift from his call for an all-out repeal was the meeting at the White House with Mr. Obama, who, he said, suggested areas of the Affordable Care Act, widely known as Obamacare, to preserve. > > - He said he would create jobs through nationwide infrastructure projects and improved international trade deals. > > - …Mr. Trump said he is placing a high priority on bringing the country together. “I want a country that loves each other,” Mr. Trump said. “I want to stress that.” He said the best way to ease tension would be to “bring in jobs.” Asked whether he thought his rhetoric had gone too far in the campaign, Mr. Trump responded: “No. I won.” > [@River\_Hippie](#): > > The 60 Minutes interview seemed like a series of walk backs. > > (paraphrasing) “Yeah, a _fence_ might be OK in places,” > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > [GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is ‘Settled’ Law](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-president-elect-donald-trump-sex-marriage-settled/story?id=43513067) > > The man sounds almost…rational! Wouldn’t it be wild if after a year in office, it turns out he’s really a pragmatic guy and his actions are more in line with Democratic Party positions, so that the GOP hates him and wants him gone but the Dems consider him “flexible” or something and want him to stay? That would be hilarious! Y’all read it here first, folks! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/84 "2016-11-14T04:16:06Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Okay, so that makes things even trickier. He’ll be constantly disrupting Manhattan with his comings and goings. I guess he’d have to be driven to and from LaGuardia. **I have to wonder if he’s even thought this through.** Of course not. He’s not going to be able to take a taxi (Yellow One) from the airport or rent a car (Hertz One). Not only his armored limo but follow vehicles for the Secret Service are shipped in a separate plane. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/85 "2016-11-14T04:32:41Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Okay, so that makes things even trickier. He’ll be constantly disrupting Manhattan with his comings and goings. I guess he’d have to be driven to and from LaGuardia. I have to wonder if he’s even thought this through. Think of all the protesters that will block his route into/out of liberal Manhattan each time. The drive will take hours! Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/86 "2016-11-14T05:25:15Z")
I know that Presidents have visited NY City many times, so the Secret Service certainly has a procedure. But I have to believe that it’s always been at least somewhat disruptive, and to live there and come and go on a regular basis seems totally impractical. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/87 "2016-11-14T05:26:58Z")
> [@Frankenstein\_Monster](#): > > I didn’t see if this was linked here? > > [Donald Trump, in Exclusive Interview, Tells WSJ He Is Willing to Keep Parts of Obama Health Law](http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-willing-to-keep-parts-of-health-law-1478895339) > > Some selected quotes: > > - Mr. Trump said he favors keeping the prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of patients’ existing conditions, and a provision that allows parents to provide years of additional coverage for children on their insurance policies. > > - On health care, Mr. Trump said a big reason for his shift from his call for an all-out repeal was the meeting at the White House with Mr. Obama, who, he said, suggested areas of the Affordable Care Act, widely known as Obamacare, to preserve. > > - He said he would create jobs through nationwide infrastructure projects and improved international trade deals. > > - …Mr. Trump said he is placing a high priority on bringing the country together. “I want a country that loves each other,” Mr. Trump said. “I want to stress that.” He said the best way to ease tension would be to “bring in jobs.” Asked whether he thought his rhetoric had gone too far in the campaign, Mr. Trump responded: “No. I won.” Thanks for providing quotes. The article is behind a paywall and it wants me to sign in or subscribe to read it. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/88 "2016-11-14T06:11:41Z")
And keeping the preexisting conditions protection logically leads to mandates which logically leads to… the ACA! With private insurance you can’t have meaningful preexisting protections without requiring healthy people to purchase coverage (otherwise the industry fails), and if you require everyone to purchase coverage then you have to have subsidies for those who can’t afford it. There’s no way around it. Mitt Romney knew this, as do most honest Republicans who have thought it through. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/89 "2016-11-14T06:17:40Z")
Both of them? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/90 "2016-11-14T06:20:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Both of them? Yes, both. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/91 "2016-11-14T09:33:10Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > And keeping the preexisting conditions protection logically leads to mandates which logically leads to… the ACA! > > With private insurance you can’t have meaningful preexisting protections without requiring healthy people to purchase coverage (otherwise the industry fails), and if you require everyone to purchase coverage then you have to have subsidies for those who can’t afford it. There’s no way around it. > > Mitt Romney knew this, as do most honest Republicans who have thought it through. That may very well be true, but a) there is no individual mandate with any force now as it stands, which might be why prices are rising so fast, and b) not everything in ACA is strictly necessary. You don’t need coverage mandates, in fact the coverage mandates make insurance more expensive. Making certain things “free” doesn’t make them actually free, it just raises the cost of other co-pays. When the ACA coverage mandates kicked in, co-pays for things that weren’t “free” went up. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/92 "2016-11-14T09:59:12Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > [GOP President-Elect Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is ‘Settled’ Law](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-president-elect-donald-trump-sex-marriage-settled/story?id=43513067) > > The man sounds almost…rational! I expected Trump to quickly shift more to the middle. He’s not going to govern as a far right candidate. He will be a conservative. Choosing Priebus is a good step towards working with Congress. I am a little surprised. Isn’t the chief of staff usually a long time friend and supporter of the President? Basically an extension of the man? I guess Trump’s inexperience in politics gave him few options. His closest friends and advisor are in the business world. The Trump Presidency will be a work in progress. He has to learn and learn quickly. Leading a nation is a unique responsibility that he has to get right. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/93 "2016-11-14T10:13:19Z")
Amusingly, the saner he gets, the more disappointed the “burn the system” voters will be, so they’ll vote for the REAL wildcard next time. And on January 20th, 2021, President-Elect Glenn Beck will take the oath. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/94 "2016-11-14T10:20:38Z")
Or Kanye West or Chris Rock. ---
**Author:** ![Frankenstein\_Monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@Frankenstein\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frankenstein_Monster)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/95 "2016-11-14T12:09:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Wouldn’t it be wild if after a year in office, it turns out he’s really a pragmatic guy and his actions are more in line with Democratic Party positions, so that the GOP hates him and wants him gone but the Dems consider him “flexible” or something and want him to stay? That would be hilarious! Y’all read it here first, folks! Actually I read it here [second.](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/opinion/he-made-america-feel-great-again.html?ref=opinion) > [@](#): > > Trump also turned out to be good at bipartisan maneuvering. Well aware that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell had held their noses to support him, he quickly promised Chuck Schumer major input on a few key domestic issues. Trump’s supply-side tax cuts passed on a party-line vote, but his infrastructure bill passed with a motley bipartisan coalition. etc. Third, if I count what I thought myself the second he announced. (Support for UHC, support for tax increases, acknowledging that 9/11 occurred during Bush’s reign, gay marriage, transgender bathrooms… He might well be the least conservative presidential candidate running in a generation, perhaps going back to Eisenhower. Not that I would have voted for him, **or** Clinton.) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/96 "2016-11-14T12:16:42Z")
I’m pretty sure that’s who he really is, a classic Northeastern Republican in the Giuliani mold. That’s why Giuliani and Christie are his best buds. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Trump was the guy to break the partisan warfare cycle? I mean, this guy isn’t just a Northeastern Republican, he’s a guy who actually has known a lot of the major players for a long time. People talk about how he’s totally unprepared for the Presidency but in one respect he’s probably as prepared as anyone: he personally knows all the big players. The relationships are already established. Of course he’s going to give Chuck Schumer input, he’s probably known Chuck Schumer longer than Clinton has! One thing that people know but tend to not take into account is that Trump has been a major player for longer than Clinton. Trump was a household name when Bill Clinton started in politics. He’s forgotten the names of more DC insiders than the last few Presidents combined ever knew. Of course, that makes him the ultimate insider, which is why his election by people seeking change was such a weird thing. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/97 "2016-11-14T12:46:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m pretty sure that’s who he really is, a classic Northeastern Republican in the Giuliani mold. That’s why Giuliani and Christie are his best buds. > > Wouldn’t it be ironic if Trump was the guy to break the partisan warfare cycle? I mean, this guy isn’t just a Northeastern Republican, he’s a guy who actually has known a lot of the major players for a long time. People talk about how he’s totally unprepared for the Presidency but in one respect he’s probably as prepared as anyone: he personally knows all the big players. The relationships are already established. Of course he’s going to give Chuck Schumer input, he’s probably known Chuck Schumer longer than Clinton has! > > One thing that people know but tend to not take into account is that Trump has been a major player for longer than Clinton. Trump was a household name when Bill Clinton started in politics. He’s forgotten the names of more DC insiders than the last few Presidents combined ever knew. Of course, that makes him the ultimate insider, which is why his election by people seeking change was such a weird thing. I have a good friend who has been saying for months that Trump is more of a Democrat than Hillary. He’s just a racist one. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/98 "2016-11-14T13:16:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That may very well be true, but a) there is no individual mandate with any force now as it stands, which might be why prices are rising so fast, and b) not everything in ACA is strictly necessary. You don’t need coverage mandates, in fact the coverage mandates make insurance more expensive. Making certain things “free” doesn’t make them actually free, it just raises the cost of other co-pays. When the ACA coverage mandates kicked in, co-pays for things that weren’t “free” went up. Coverage mandates are part of the ACA but you’re correct that they have no teeth. This is one of its weaknesses, in my opinion. And yes, prices are going up. Mine certainly is, although i have to say that it’s not skyrocketing as much as I thought it would. I was speaking in general when I said it leads to the ACA. Perhaps I should have said “something _like_ the ACA”. Obviously there can be an infinite number of variations on the details of such a plan and political realities will lead to things such as some services having the appearance of being free. ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Smythe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f04885/32.png) [@Jane\_Smythe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Smythe)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/99 "2016-11-14T13:33:12Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I have a hope (because that’s all I have right now) that Trump’s insecure narcissism will make him obsessed with his poll numbers, and therefore loathe to take actions that leave people in a lurch. He’s never been this publicly accountable before, so his response to constant criticism is uncharted territory for him. > > I like to think that Obama sat him down and told him that he will literally have the fate of millions of people in his hands every day, and that each decision he makes will be twisted and distorted so that tens of millions of people hate him and thousands actually want to kill him. Later, he got a tongue lashing from Mitch McConnell, who corrected any misapprehnsions that Donald might have had about going off on his own with his own ideas. Trump looked positively shell shocked by the end of the day. > > I fully realize that Trump, like Dark Helmet, will be surrounded by assholes, so it’s not going to be anything like Obama gave us, b_ **ut he could be another Reagan: old guy who didn’t like to read and let his underlings pull the levers of power while he focused on shaking hands.** _ I expect the Republican tropes : anti abortion judges, tax cuts for corporations and high wage earners, dismantling of environmental protections. But I think that the populist promises are long gone. Problem is, Reagan was likeable. Trump is not. Few people except deplorable dictators around the world and deplorable Trump supporters are going to want to shake his hand. ---
**Author:** ![Frankenstein\_Monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@Frankenstein\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frankenstein_Monster)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/100 "2016-11-14T14:03:56Z")
Does this count as Walk-Back? Or Smart Idea of the Day? Something else? [China’s Xi Jinping and Donald Trump speak after election win](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/trump-xi-phone-call/) > [@](#): > > China’s leader has spoken to US President-elect Donald Trump to congratulate him on his stunning election victory. > > President Xi Jinping and Trump spoke on the phone Sunday night, and “established a clear sense of mutual respect for one another,” according to a short statement from Trump’s transition team. > > “President-elect Trump stated that he believes the two leaders will have one of the strongest relationships for both countries moving forward,” it added. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556.md?page=6)