# The Trump Campaign Promise Walk-Back Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556 "2016-11-12T00:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/121 "2016-11-15T07:22:13Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > I do not have any hope that Trump supporters care about holding Trump’s feet to the fire. They made it perfectly clear that ideology doesn’t matter. > > My hope is that they’ll turn on him for being far more interested in playing golf at Mar-a-Lago than in actually governing or dealing with the first inevitable mass school shooting, terrorist attack and/or natural disaster. I think you will find two things. Firstly, a large part of Trump’s constituency are the type of people a shonky mail order business would love to get hold of: they are highly gullible. Secondly, when people get sold snake oil they don’t get angry at the person who sold them snake oil. Instead they cling even more tightly to the view they didn’t get sold snake oil. To do otherwise is to admit to having been made a fool. Trump will talk up what he does and the same gullible voters who wanted to believe this time around will want to believe next time around. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/122 "2016-11-16T15:53:42Z")
Trump doesn’t seem to be ideologically committed to any of the campaign promises he made. I think that, now he has successfully sold the con, he will not care about actually fulfilling any of them. He will concentrate on making Trump great again and let his staff and Congress do what they want. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/123 "2016-11-16T16:09:30Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > Awesome! > > Bringing coal mining jobs back is probably not gonna happen > [McConnell: Coal jobs a 'private sector activity'](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/12/mcconnell-coal-jobs-private-sector-activity/93745664/) One of the post-election interviews with Old Guys at the Town Cafe featured several who went for Trump because he would re-open the coal mines. One agreed with this from your article: > [@](#): > > The industry has been losing jobs for three decades and those losses accelerated under Obama, in part because of new environmental regulations, but more importantly, because of cheap natural gas prices. He did \*not \*vote for Trump… ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/124 "2016-11-16T16:11:01Z")
> [@Bookkeeper](#): > > Trump doesn’t seem to be ideologically committed to any of the campaign promises he made. I think that, now he has successfully sold the con, he will not care about actually fulfilling any of them. He will concentrate on making Trump great again and let his staff and Congress do what they want. If this were true explain the Cabinet and other positions appointments he is making. If it were true he wouldn’t be appointing all these crazies and other very questionable people. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/125 "2016-11-16T16:35:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Confused in Minnesota writes to ask “How, exactly, would his tax returns reveal where he borrowed the money from? Doesn’t it just add up how much he made, not where he made it?” I’m not really sure how corporate tax returns work, but I suspect they share some commonality with personal returns. At least so far as deductions go. I can’t imagine that a corporation can say, “We paid $x in interest on loans” without saying who was the recipient of those payments. Otherwise there’s no audit trail. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/126 "2016-11-16T16:54:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Young voters have tended to vote Democrat pretty strongly for a long time: > > [http://www.gallup.com/poll/9457/election-polls-vote-groups-19681972.aspx](http://www.gallup.com/poll/9457/election-polls-vote-groups-19681972.aspx) > > Humphery and McGovern did best among under-30 voters. Wonder what happened to those voters? Oh yeah, they voted for Bush, McCain, Romney, and Trump. My first presidential ballot was cast for McGovern. My most recent one was cast for Hillary. An anecdote, of course, but there you go. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/127 "2016-11-16T17:17:10Z")
> [@Jane\_Smythe](#): > > I think we all knew, those of us who supported Clinton, that Trump was just saying what his supporters wanted to hear. He doesn’t have any depth of personailty, other than to con people and feed his ego. > > He will most likely back down on all the ‘promises’ he made that caused people to vote for him. They got conned. That’s the bottom line. > > … I heard Trump on the radio the day after the election. He said, “I said whatever I needed to say to get an outsider elected. But that’s not who I am and not how I intend to run the country.” From his own lips. So he lied AND got himself elected under false pretenses. I don’t think his supporters will care… at first. The question is, will they blame him in a couple of years when their taxes go UP instead of down\* and when the mines and factories don’t re-open. Well, they’ll have their guns, so I guess that’s the most important thing. And they’ll blame Obama… and Hillary (somehow). I read a quote from one of Trump’s fans (no cite) who said, “Trump is going to lower my taxes from 35% to 15%.” And I thought, yeah, when your income drops to $20K per year, you will definitely fall into a lower tax bracket. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/128 "2016-11-16T17:36:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I read a quote from one of Trump’s fans (no cite) who said, “Trump is going to lower my taxes from 35% to 15%.” And I thought, yeah, when your income drops to $20K per year, you will definitely fall into a lower tax bracket. :smack: Perhaps the fan is a corporation…because those are exactly the numbers I heard this morning for Trump’s proposed \*corporate \*tax cut. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/129 "2016-11-16T17:55:15Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I heard Trump on the radio the day after the election. He said, “I said whatever I needed to say to get an outsider elected. But that’s not who I am and not how I intend to run the country.” From his own lips. > > So he lied AND got himself elected under false pretenses. All politicians do this; it’s a question of degree. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/130 "2016-11-16T18:02:02Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > If this were true explain the Cabinet and other positions appointments he is making. If it were true he wouldn’t be appointing all these crazies and other very questionable people. He’s appointing people that Bannon and Kushner suggest to him - \*they \*have an agenda. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/131 "2016-11-16T18:26:17Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > He’s appointing people that Bannon and Kushner suggest to him - \*they \*have an agenda. But this is going to get him conflict with the House and Senate. Why not just go to Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, etc and they will provide him with a list of people who will get along with Congress fine? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/132 "2016-11-16T19:21:46Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > But this is going to get him conflict with the House and Senate. Why not just go to Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, etc and they will provide him with a list of people who will get along with Congress fine? Paul Ryan & Mitch McConnell both had some misgivings about Trump. Now, of course, they are fans! But Trump likes to reward The Truly Loyal… ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/133 "2016-11-16T19:31:32Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > But this is going to get him conflict with the House and Senate. Why not just go to Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, etc and they will provide him with a list of people who will get along with Congress fine? Because they are Swamp Things. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/134 "2016-11-16T19:38:06Z")
Democrats have to make it abundantly clear to Trump voters that he has already reneged on most of his promises. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/135 "2016-11-16T21:13:21Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Perhaps the fan is a corporation…because those are exactly the numbers I heard this morning for Trump’s proposed \*corporate \*tax cut. I’ll bet the guy heard those numbers and thought they applied to his own private self. Oops. Sorry. \ > [@PastTense](#): > > All politicians do this; it’s a question of degree. Really? And admit it afterwards? I think not. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/136 "2016-11-16T21:16:22Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Democrats have to make it abundantly clear to Trump voters that he has already reneged on most of his promises. Won’t matter to them. It will be lies from the Lame media It will be Obama’s fault It will be (Generic Democrat)'s fault “Email! Benghazi! Lock her up” “Ha ha , we won” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/137 "2016-11-16T21:19:16Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The question is, will they blame him in a couple of years when their taxes go UP instead of down\* and when the mines and factories don’t re-open. Well, they’ll have their guns, so I guess that’s the most important thing. And they’ll blame Obama… and Hillary (somehow). You’ve got it. They’ll blame someone else. Or, simply revise history entirely. I saw a video clip of a guy before the election (at a Trump rally). He was blaming Obama for 9/11 because “Obama just sat in his office in the Whitehouse during 9/11 and didn’t do anything to help”. Yes, he was completely serious. We’ll see the same with Trump’s broken promises. Complete and utter revisionism. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/138 "2016-11-16T21:26:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I read a quote from one of Trump’s fans (no cite) who said, “Trump is going to lower my taxes from 35% to 15%.” And I thought, yeah, when your income drops to $20K per year, you will definitely fall into a lower tax bracket. :smack: He doesn’t even know what his own tax rate is. He would have to [make over $413,000 a year to have a 35% tax rate](http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx). He just sends in his return, gets a refund and spends it on beer and ammo without any idea what tax bracket he is in. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/139 "2016-11-16T21:28:54Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > He doesn’t even know what his own tax rate is. He would have to [make over $413,000 a year to have a 35% tax rate](http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx). He just sends in his return, gets a refund and spends it on beer and ammo without any idea what tax bracket he is in. You should point out that with a lower tax rate, his refund will be smaller. See what his reaction is. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556/140 "2016-11-16T21:40:43Z")
Well, I am happy that posters here are able to enjoy some schadenfreude despite being disappointed with the election results. Lol. The problem is that nutpicking aside, plenty of Trump supporters didn’t really expect Trump to follow through on most of this stuff. Most didn’t expect a Muslim ban, Mexican wall or immediate imprisonment of Hillary. Just like they don’t expect Juicy Fruit to turn them into waterskiing babe magnets. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-campaign-promise-walk-back-thread/771556.md?page=8)