# The Trump deportation news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 25, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404 "2025-01-25T23:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/241 "2025-03-18T20:09:05Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > > “For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an **appropriate** response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision,” Chief Justice John Roberts said in a statement. > > > > He added that the “ **normal** appellate review process exists for that purpose”. My bold. Two words in that statement leap out at me, “appropriate” and “normal,” neither of which exists any more in Donnie World, aka, The United States Gummint. Roberts doesn’t seem to get it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/242 "2025-03-18T21:34:42Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > My guess is that some of the undocumented immigrants are in families with some legal residents or US citizens. (Most obviously, a child born in the United States to an undocumented parent.) Perhaps they’re counting on the likelihood that legal residents or US citizens will voluntarily leave to be with undocumented deportees? When Homan was confronted on camera with the possibility of breaking up families by deporting people he said you didn’t have to break up families - the whole family could leave with the deportee. So that would be a yes. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I guess the only good migrant is a deported migrant. Yes. There are many people who think _exactly_ that. (Personally, I find it a disgusting attitude. I am often disgusted in public these days.) > [@DigitalC](#): > > I’m undocumented and living in Florida. Then best you not get more specific than that. Hell, I’d recommend you say “undocumented in _[state you don’t actually live in]_” just to be on the safer side. > [@wguy123](#): > > I don’t quite understand the deportation process going on. There have been planes sending immigrants “home” (at least to Colombia). So, if that is the process, why are we sending “criminals” to Guantanamo rather than sending them “home”? Because some countries aren’t cooperating with having people dumped on their airports? Because the MAGAts need to make examples of some people? Cruelty is the point? > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > The number I’ve seen tossed around about how many could be housed at Gitmo is 30k. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’m skeptical that many people can be housed there given the staffing requirements and need for building housing and supplying food and other goods to the prison. There’s a difference between _how many can be housed HUMANELY at location X_ and _how many people you can cram into location X if you don’t give a damn about them as human beings._ ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/243 "2025-03-18T21:48:02Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Then best you not get more specific than that. Hell, I’d recommend you say “undocumented in _[state you don’t actually live in]_” just to be on the safer side. Good call. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/244 "2025-03-19T11:53:27Z")
Minor update. These Venezuelans that we’re putting on planes to … El Salvador … in contravention of a Judge’s Order … aren’t really accused of crimes in the US, necessarily. Actually, the fact that many of them have no criminal record in the US whatsoever should be all the proof you need of their criminality. Wait. What? [**Administration: ‘Many’ Venezuelans sent to El Salvador prison had no U.S. criminal record**](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article302299534.html) > “The lack of criminal records does not indicate they pose a limited threat. In fact, based upon their association with Tren de Aragua, the lack of specific information about each specific individual actually highlights the risk they pose,” said Robert Cerna, a top Immigration and Customs Enforcement official, in a sworn statement filed Monday night to a the U.S. District Court in Washington D.C. Ah. So you were **seven thousand miles away** when your business partner was murdered. And you can prove it? GUILTY!! Rule of Law, my fuzzy backside. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/245 "2025-03-19T12:04:02Z")
Faith Based Law Enforcement. We can’t prove you were doing crimes and we have no evidence of you doing crimes. But we KNOW you are a criminal. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/246 "2025-03-19T12:06:02Z")
Or, as I recall from my youth in Detroit: “Well, if you didn’t commit _this_ crime, then we’re _damned_ sure you committed another one.” > Better to imprison a thousand innocent men than to let one guilty man go free. –The Trump Doctrine [no. Not factually true] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/247 "2025-03-19T15:45:38Z")
> [@Craven ICE official](#): > > The lack of criminal records does not indicate they pose a limited threat. In fact, based upon their association with Tren de Aragua, the lack of specific information about each specific individual actually highlights the risk they pose. This is proof (as if we hadn’t enough proof already) that the Trump maladministration is waving around the phrase “Tren de Aragua” like a magic talisman to clear away all due process and humanitarian concerns. It’s positively homeopathic: the less evidence the deportees committed crimes in the U.S., the deeper a threat they pose. 🙄 The weight-bearing part of that quote is “based on their association with Tren de Aragua”. We’ve got a nice _post hoc, ergo propter hoc_ going on: we’re deporting them despite having no criminal history in the U.S. because of their association with TdA. Which we can’t support with any crimes they’ve committed in the States, because they didn’t commit any. We’ve also got a classic begging the question: “assuming the truth of its conclusion as a premise, essentially stating the conclusion as a fact without providing evidence or proof.” We want to deport them as associated with TdA, so we’re presuming their association with TdA. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/248 "2025-03-19T16:43:47Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > The weight-bearing part of that quote is “based on their association with Tren de Aragua”. That kind of phrasing used to always bug me. “So-and-so was deported/jailed/sent to Gitmo because of _ties to terrorism/Al Quaeda/Osama/whatever._” “Ties to?” That’s pretty vague. But good enough if you’re not looking closely. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/249 "2025-03-19T17:51:51Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > “based on their association with Tren de Aragua” Well, Spanish is their native language. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/250 "2025-03-19T20:03:13Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > the less evidence the deportees committed crimes in the U.S., the deeper a threat they pose Of course. It’s proof just how clever they are, just like there was no evidence the 2020 election was stolen from Trump _proves_ the Deep State™ did it. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/251 "2025-03-19T20:07:21Z")
One thing I noticed that I think is particularly insidious: when they get to the jail, they all have their heads shaven and they all get the same uniform. So now when you pack them all into a room together, they certainly _look_ like a gang. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/252 "2025-03-19T22:51:38Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@John\_Bredin](#): > > > > The weight-bearing part of that quote is “based on their association with Tren de Aragua”. > > That kind of phrasing used to always bug me. “So-and-so was deported/jailed/sent to Gitmo because of _ties to terrorism/Al Quaeda/Osama/whatever._” > > “Ties to?” That’s pretty vague. But good enough if you’re not looking closely. That’s always bothered me, too. For instance, I have ties to killing police officers. My mother’s best friend’s son is currently on death row in Kentucky for murdering a policeman when the cop was responding to a call regarding a domestic incident, and Vince was on drugs when it happened. I’ve never killed a cop. I don’t condone or endorse killing law enforcement officers. But because someone I know was indulging in some illegal pharmaceuticals, I’m forever tainted as having ties to that violence. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/253 "2025-03-20T01:46:57Z")
A French scientist was denied entry to the United States and sent back to France because he had messages on his phone that were critical of Trump. > **[French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained)** > > France’s research minister said the scientist was traveling to Houston for a conference when his phone was searched ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/254 "2025-03-20T01:54:19Z")
> **[I’m the Canadian who was detained by Ice for two weeks. It felt like I had...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney)** > > I was stuck in a freezing cell without explanation despite eventually having lawyers and media attention. Yet, compared with others, I was lucky And in reference to the Venezuelan “criminals” sent to El Salvador: **For four Venezuelan friends, Alien Enemies Act cuts short an American dream** > Then, on Thursday, armed officers showed up at their home, arrested them and took them to a Texas detention center, Mervin Yamarte, 29, told his mother by phone. Family members do not know the charges, if any, and the men’s names do not appear in federal, state or local criminal court records. > > What happened next horrified the families. Yamarte said they were asked to sign deportation papers and agreed, thinking they would soon be back with their children and loved ones in Venezuela. But a day later, his mother saw a jarring video released by Salvadoran President [Nayib Bukele](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/06/bukele-nayib-el-salvador-president-coolest-dictator-global-international/) showing alleged gang members being violently pulled off planes from the United States and dragged to a mega-prison notorious for allegations of human rights abuses. > > Mercedes Yamarte spotted her son. He appears for only a second, but she has no doubt it is Mervin. He is kneeling and wearing a ripped black shirt. His head has been shaved. An officer stands behind him. He appears to be wincing. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/for-four-venezuelan-friends-alien-enemies-act-cuts-short-an-american-dream/ar-AA1B8PX9](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/for-four-venezuelan-friends-alien-enemies-act-cuts-short-an-american-dream/ar-AA1B8PX9) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/255 "2025-03-20T02:59:11Z")
Lesson learned: travel with a burner phone. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/256 "2025-03-20T13:39:48Z")
> Denver’s Democratic Mayor Mike Johnston denounced Vizguerra’s arrest and described the mother as a hard-working member of the community. > > “People should know what this is. This is not immigration enforcement. This is Soviet-style political persecution of political dissidents under the guise of immigration enforcement,” [Johnston said in a video](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1009593164413440) posted on Facebook Tuesday. > > “This is not someone with a criminal record. This is a mom of American citizens who works at Target and has started a community nonprofit,” the mayor said. “This is not something that makes our community safer, in my mind. I think it makes our community lawless.” > **[Jeanette Vizguerra, an undocumented mom once named to Time’s 100 Most...](https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/18/us/jeanette-vizguerra-detained-ice-colorado/index.html)** > > An undocumented mother and high-profile activist was detained by ICE while she was on a work break from her job at Target, her attorney and a family friend say. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/257 "2025-03-20T17:59:10Z")
The US Govt inspects phone contents to travelers coming to the US? Get the fuck out of here! Really? I just saw the thread dedicated to this topic and apparently they can just ask for your phone. 100% authoritarian bullshit if this is how they are going to use that rule. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/258 "2025-03-20T20:28:14Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > The US Govt inspects phone contents to travelers coming to the US? Get the fuck out of here! Really? > > I just saw the thread dedicated to this topic and apparently they can just ask for your phone. > 100% authoritarian bullshit if this is how they are going to use that rule. I became aware of this several years ago and proceeded to delete/erase a bunch of stuff from my email that could have been misperceived. Of course I have an all new batch of emails saved that I need to go through. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/259 "2025-03-27T00:35:45Z")
> **[Turkish student at Tufts University detained, video shows masked people...](https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-6c3978da98a8d0f39ab311e092ffd892)** > > A lawyer for a Turkish national and doctoral student at Tufts University says she has been detained by Department of Homeland Security agents without explanation. > U.S. District Judge Indira Talwani issued an order giving the government until Friday to answer why Ozturk was being detained. Talwani also ordered that Ozturk not be moved outside the District of Massachusetts without 48 hours advance notice. > > But as of Wednesday evening, the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement’s online detainee locater system listed her as being held at the South Louisiana ICE Processing Center in Basile, Louisiana… > > Ozturk was one of four students last March who wrote an op-ed in The Tufts Daily criticizing the university’s response to its community union Senate passing resolutions that demanded Tufts “acknowledge the Palestinian genocide,” disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel. > > Friends said Ozturk was not otherwise closely involved in protests against Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/260 "2025-03-27T01:23:39Z")
Interestingly, she’s being arrested for protesting against Joe Biden. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404.md?page=14)