# The Trump deportation news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 25, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404 "2025-01-25T23:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/381 "2025-04-10T12:39:00Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Also, in my experience, Canada is stickier about any possible work you might be doing there on a tourist visa than any other country I’ve ever entered. I’ve been quizzed several times but Canadian border authorities. Agreed. It’s kinda nuts. I was overseeing a program to tech transfer a pharmaceutical manufacturing process INTO Canada, meaning they would get the jobs. I sent 3 of the chemists to Montreal to show the staff there how it’s done. As they passed through customs, one of them responded to “purpose of your visit” with “I’m here for work.” Hoo boy, they spent 4 hours at the crossing, I got a call to verify that they really worked for me, and had to fax (email, probably) the agent a letter on company letterhead. It was insane. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/382 "2025-04-10T13:01:17Z")
I’m disappointed that the IRS is [ratting on non-citizen taxpayers](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/08/us/politics/irs-ice-tax-data-deal.html) to the goons at ICE. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/383 "2025-04-10T14:43:46Z")
I didn’t click on the link, but in case that article doesn’t include this bit … you aren’t the only one who’s disappointed: > **[Acting IRS commissioner plans to resign after data-sharing deal with...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/acting-irs-commissioner-plans-resign-after-data-sharing/story?id=120632164)** > > The IRS will give DHS tax information on immigrants in the U.S. illegally. > [@](#): > > The acting commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service is planning to resign following the agency’s data sharing agreement with the Department of Homeland Security to support the Trump administration’s efforts to deport undocumented immigrants, three sources familiar with her plans told ABC News. > > Melanie Krause is the third leader of the agency to resign this year; Senate-confirmed Commissioner Danny Werfel resigned from his role on Inauguration Day, less than two years into his five-year term. Should Ms. Krause expect a DOJ investigation? Time will tell. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/384 "2025-04-10T15:56:31Z")
I understand the reasoning behind resigning in protest, but I have to question its efficacy. Doesn’t that just make it quicker for a Trump loyalist to be installed, rather than making them fire you for non-compliance, _then_ having you replaced? I mean, I get that they wouldn’t have much of a delay in filling the position, but each day that you don’t quit is a day that they don’t have the position filled already, meaning you might actually be able to delay/prevent someone being deported, even for a day. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/385 "2025-04-10T16:01:43Z")
Melanie Krause, the acting IRS commissioner who resigned, was an existing IRS employee who was made acting commissioner during this administration. I would think she was already a Trump loyalist, though perhaps some things are too distasteful even for some people. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/386 "2025-04-10T21:46:12Z")
The New York Times [reports](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/10/us/politics/migrants-deport-social-security-doge.html) that the administration is trying to cancel the Social Security numbers of people in the country legally with temporary legal status. > The effort hinges on a surprising new tactic: repurposing Social Security’s “death master file,” which for years has been used to track dead people who should no longer receive benefits, to include the names of living people who the government believes should be treated as if they are dead. They are, in effect, declaring them unpersons, like those in George Orwell’s 1984. (“Withers, however, was already an unperson. He did not exist: he had never existed.”) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/387 "2025-04-10T21:59:48Z")
They still seem really confused about the difference between “having a social security number” and “receiving social security benefits”. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/388 "2025-04-10T22:09:15Z")
The article mentions why this is a problem for the victims. > As a result of being added to the death database, they would be blacklisted from a coveted form of identification that allows them to make and more easily spend money. Without a Social Security number, the victims (who, again, have _legal_ status in this country) can’t get a job, open a bank account or do many other things. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/389 "2025-04-10T22:57:06Z")
The article is paywalled. I don’t suppose it gives any indication of what criteria they are using for such non-persons? Actually, strike that: even if it says, don’t tell me. I’m worried enough about things that have already happened. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/390 "2025-04-11T01:40:24Z")
AFA the “illegals” who came here for economic reasons, maybe simply paying them to GTFO would be cheaper, and (unfortunately for the MAGAts) more humane. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/391 "2025-04-11T02:35:11Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Without a Social Security number, the victims (who, again, have _legal_ status in this country) can’t get a job, open a bank account or do many other things. I’ll bet there are also scenarios where they left the U.S. years ago. If they are getting a monthly annuity — say as a life insurance beneficiary — it will stop. This will likely mess up many customers of U.S. banks that have worldwide offices. Less important, but it will also mess up genealogists. They will think distant relatives are deceased when they are alive. I’ll bet it will also cause confusion in some police investigations. Sarge, looks like our suspect is dead. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/392 "2025-04-11T04:37:04Z")
I don’t see that this has been posted here before, but in the case I was referring to upthread, where Trump’s goons mistakenly deported an innocent man to a notorious El Salvador prison, Trump was insisting that he be kept there and they had no obligation to bring him back to the US. Just incredible. And he appealed to the Supreme Court to let him do that. It was rejected unanimously. > **[Supreme Court unanimously rules against Trump in case of wrongfully deported man](https://www.alternet.org/supreme-court-trump-deported/)** > > In a decision handed down without any dissent, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) is now ordering President Donald Trump's administration to immediately "facilitate" the return of a man it admitted was mistakenly included on a... ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/393 "2025-04-11T04:55:07Z")
nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/394 "2025-04-11T05:02:03Z")
Trump’s government was ordered by the SCOTUS to “facilitate” the return. Which leaves a huge amount of wiggle room, and NO defined time frame. It also included language supporting the authority of the executive in this area, so absolutely not a one-sided victory. Still better than the SCOTUS totally ignoring the extra-legal action by Trump, but not the smackdown I wished it had delivered. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/395 "2025-04-11T10:46:52Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I don’t see that this has been posted here before, but in the case I was referring to upthread, where Trump’s goons mistakenly deported an innocent man to a notorious El Salvador prison, Trump was insisting that he be kept there and they had no obligation to bring him back to the US. Just incredible. Nope, I’d say that’s consistent with many things Trump has said. He truly seems to believe that accusation is the same as conviction (except when it applies to him, of course). He truly seems to believe (outside of a few exceptions) that all immigrants are felon-level criminal. Even if that innocent man is innocent Trump seems convinced that somehow he’s not really innocent, he just hasn’t been caught yet. I expect to see more of this … well, I guess I’ll have to call it evil. I don’t know what other word would apply. The fact that even THIS SCotUS voted _unanimously_ against Trump says something. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/396 "2025-04-11T19:05:06Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [Turkish student at Tufts University detained, video shows masked people handcuffing her](https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-6c3978da98a8d0f39ab311e092ffd892) Here is a court document Rumeysa Ozturk wrote of the bad experiences she has been having: > **[2025-04-10\_petr\_motion\_for\_release\_return\_ex\_9\_ozturk\_82-10.pdf](https://www.aclum.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/2025-04-10_petr_motion_for_release_return_ex_9_ozturk_82-10.pdf)** > > 166.85 KB ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/397 "2025-04-11T19:13:32Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I expect to see more of this … well, I guess I’ll have to call it evil. I don’t know what other word would apply. In the case of the wrongly deported man, I am expecting creative incompetence and malicious compliance (such as repatriating him from El Salvador but throwing him in jail in the US because El Salvador says he’s a gang member). Any other administration would have had him back home by now. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/398 "2025-04-11T19:25:09Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Trump’s government was ordered by the SCOTUS to “facilitate” the return. Which leaves a huge amount of wiggle room, and NO defined time frame. Rachel Maddow covered this in some detail last night. Eric Holder was her guest. The upshot is that SCOTUS ordered the man brought back _so he could go through legitimate due process._ He’s not out of the woods by any means. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/399 "2025-04-11T19:35:43Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@ParallelLines](#): > > > > Trump’s government was ordered by the SCOTUS to “facilitate” the return. Which leaves a huge amount of wiggle room, and NO defined time frame. > > Rachel Maddow covered this in some detail last night. Eric Holder was her guest. The upshot is that SCOTUS ordered the man brought back _so he could go through legitimate due process._ He’s not out of the woods by any means.   While there’s no definite time frame ordered, there’s at least one reason for that, maybe two. One is that Trump’s appeal was “upheld in part” simply because the deadline set by the District Court had already passed, so it was moot. The other possibility – interpreted very charitably – is that they’re also conscious of setting precedent in terms of SCOTUS intrusion on the foreign policy powers of the Executive Branch. In any case, in the actual ruling, Sonia Sotomayor used some pretty scathing words in her supplementary comments, including the order that the Trump administration should “promptly” interview the accused to determine his defense against the deportation, which seems to dovetail with the larger Court’s instruction to the Trump administration to say what steps they are taking to comply with the Court order to reverse the deportation. Since there was no dissent, I assume that Sotomayor’s part of the ruling also stands. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/400 "2025-04-11T20:27:55Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > AFA the “illegals” who came here for economic reasons, maybe simply paying them to GTFO would be cheaper, and (unfortunately for the MAGAts) more humane. Yeah, but the cruelty is the point. They might argue paying them encourages more to come. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404.md?page=21)