# The Trump deportation news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 25, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404 "2025-01-25T23:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/561 "2025-04-22T09:08:37Z")
Deportation policy leads to a dictator fight. > **[Venezuela’s Maduro demands El Salvador’s Bukele release ‘kidnapped’ deportees...](https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/20/americas/el-salvador-bukele-prisoner-swap-venezuela-intl-latam/index.html)** > > Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has demanded El Salvador release hundreds of Venezuelans who were deported from the United States, who he described as being “kidnapped,” after his Salvadoran counterpart earlier proposed a prisoner swap. Aren’t these “prisoners” technically still U.S. property? I thought we were just paying El Salvador to house them. Can they be sold traded to another country? If this was the end game, why not make a deal with Venezuela in the first place? I can’t find any reporting on what the White House thinks of this. But if they paid $6 million just to have El Salvador use these people for leverage, it sounds like a bad deal. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/562 "2025-04-22T15:18:55Z")
Humans can’t be the “property” of a country. By shipping them abroad, we are trusting the kind of people who run gulags to hold up their end of the bargain. Good luck with thst. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/563 "2025-04-22T16:45:03Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Humans can’t be the “property” of a country. I mean, you say that, and morally I agree, but for all practical purposes they sure can. I’d call North Koreans property of the state. And at one point China claimed all Chinese as their own, and beholden to them, regardless of where they live and what citizenship they have. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/564 "2025-04-22T17:08:41Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > One wonders why it is so difficult for immigration officials to check various databases to confirm identity? Lack of will, duh. If they check a database they just might find their ~~detainee~~ victim is a citizen after all, making their quota that much harder to reach. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/565 "2025-04-22T19:09:09Z")
> **[Venezuelan Immigrant Deported by Trump Administration Has Disappeared](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/22/us/venezuela-immigrant-disappear-deport-ice.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Bk8.VHgr.gFaykLA_uHjm&smid=url-share)** > > The Venezuelan man does not appear on a list of people sent to a prison in El Salvador, and his family and friends have no idea of his whereabouts. From the New York Times. This article is a harrowing account of someone who disappeared during deportation. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/566 "2025-04-22T20:24:34Z")
We’ve decided to file that one under “feature, not bug.” It’s kind of like, during the Global War On Terror(ism), how we didn’t extraordinarily render anybody to _Canada_. AFAIK, that is. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/567 "2025-04-22T21:13:37Z")
> [@Ellecram](#): > > From the New York Times. This article is a harrowing account of someone who disappeared during deportation. We can probably expect more of that sort of thing. > # Trump fires more immigration judges even as he aims to increase deportations > > [Trump fires more immigration judges even as he aims to increase deportations : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-5372681/trump-immigration-judges-fired) > Another round of firings hit [immigration courts](https://www.npr.org/2025/04/08/nx-s1-5335523/trump-immigration-judges) in Massachusetts, California and Louisiana, as the Trump administration continues its twin efforts of downsizing the government and increasing immigration-related arrests. > > At least eight immigration judges received notices that they would be put on leave and their employment would be terminated on April 22, according to two people familiar with the firings and to the International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers union, which represents immigration judges. The two people spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. > > The judges who received the notices weren’t given a reason for the terminations. > > … > > Immigration law experts warn that the system is already backed up. Judges review on average 500 to 600 cases a year. **Still, there were almost [4 million](https://www.justice.gov/eoir/media/1344791/dl?inline) pending cases in the last quarter of 2024**, including nearly [1.5 million](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-us-asylum-process-works#:~:text=At%20the%20end%20of%20fiscal,at%20the%20southern%20U.S.%20border.) asylum cases. In fiscal year 2024, [immigration courts issued only 666,177](https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12501) initial case decisions. > > … > > [Matt Biggs, president of the union representing judges], argues that the firings of judges make reaching the goals of increasing deportations harder to reach. > > “He [Trump] may be right — at the rate that his administration is firing judges, rather than a few years, it may take a couple hundred years to complete the pending cases,” Biggs said about Trump’s comments. My bold. No kidding. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/568 "2025-04-22T21:16:52Z")
But if the doors at WalMart were barred and boarded shut, and the pavement surrounding the building were festooned with anti-personnel mines, would you _really need_ those greeters in the foyer?? Sigh. And Jesus wept. [That guy’s going to need an endless box of facial tissues] ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/569 "2025-04-22T21:22:13Z")
> “He [Trump] may be right — at the rate that his administration is firing judges, rather than a few years, it may take a couple hundred years to complete the pending cases,” Biggs said about Trump’s comments. You sweet summer child, you think this is about _completing_ the pending cases… ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/570 "2025-04-22T21:55:36Z")
The truth is that Trump was told all of this 8 years ago, and told that the only solution was to institute e-Verify. He chose, instead, to try to violate the Bill of Rights. After all, how do you sound like you’re sincere about your desire to crack down when the reality is that you’re preserving the ability to hire people who are illegally in the country, under the table? If you can only get rid of a few hundred out of 10-15 million per year, that’s basically just a smoke screen - for as cruel as you might be to those hundred. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/571 "2025-04-23T00:54:44Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > if they paid $6 million just to have El Salvador use these people for leverage, it sounds like a bad deal. Seems about in character for the Bankruptee in Chief. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/572 "2025-04-24T15:57:10Z")
> # Lawyers warn clients of increased arrest risk at immigration check-ins > > [Lawyers warn clients of increased arrest risk at immigration check-ins : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2025/04/24/nx-s1-5372694/immigration-lawyers-warn-detention-risk) > > … > > Historically, [Valerie] Crespo [an immigration attorney] says, there’s always been a possibility that an immigrant without legal status will get arrested at an appointment, but it didn’t happen often. Priority for detention and deportation was given to criminals and people deemed dangerous to their communities. > > The Trump administration is now making deportations a priority, vowing to end what they call “catch and release.” These days, **detention has become the default.** > > … > > These days, Crespo is advising her clients who have deportation orders, to show up for their immigration appointments, which is the law. But she’s also warning them: if you go, you may very well get detained. My bold. Now they’re all criminal and dangerous to the community, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/573 "2025-04-25T16:41:34Z")
This does not seem like good news: > **[FBI arrests Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan for allegedly obstructing ICE...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-arrests-wisconsin-judge-hannah-dugan-for-allegedly-obstructing-ice-agents-director-kash-patel-says-151824813.html)** > > FBI Director Kash Patel announced in a since-deleted post Friday that Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan was arrested for “misdirecting” federal agents. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/574 "2025-04-25T17:22:08Z")
Sadly relevant xkcd: > **[PhD Timeline](https://xkcd.com/3081/)** ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/575 "2025-04-25T17:32:30Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt continues to insist without evidence Garcia has violated the law beyond immigrating to the United States illegally. > > “And so deporting him back to El Salvador was always going to be the end result. There is never going to be a world in which this is an individual who is going to live a peaceful life in Maryland.” Even if you agree that Garcia is not the test case you want and ignoring that whatever reasons the judge he could not be deported because you disagree with them, he is still entitled to due process for crimes he may have committed that would lead to his deportation if convicted. This is Star Chamber shit right here. This strikes me as The Administration taking a bad situation and deciding to make it worse by doubling-down. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/576 "2025-04-25T17:42:28Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Even if you agree that Garcia is not the test case you want and ignoring that whatever reasons the judge he could not be deported because you disagree with them, he is still entitled to due process for crimes he may have committed that would lead to his deportation if convicted. I agree with that. What you quoted of mine was from a week ago, and I would not post that now. Since then, polling has shown that, at least in the court of public opinion, it is a good test case. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/577 "2025-04-25T19:35:04Z")
More on Judge Hannah Dugan: > **[Who Is Hannah Dugan, the Wisconsin Judge Arrested in Immigration Dispute?](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/25/us/judge-hannah-dugan-wisconsin-immigration.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CU8.fJg2.MU4ulgq_uPKG&smid=url-share)** > > Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan was elected in 2016. She spent much of her earlier career working on behalf of low-income people and marginalized groups. > The [Wisconsin judge who was arrested](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/25/us/politics/fbi-arrest-judge.html) on Friday morning on charges of obstructing immigration enforcement **spent most of her legal career working on behalf of low-income people and marginalized groups.** My bold. Well, hell, that makes her suspect right off the bat! > Federal authorities arrested the judge, Hannah C. Dugan of the Milwaukee County Circuit Court, on suspicion that she “intentionally misdirected federal agents away from” an immigrant being pursued by federal authorities, [Kash Patel, the F.B.I. director, wrote](https://x.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/1915800907318468626) on social media. The authorities said that earlier this month, Judge Dugan directed an undocumented immigrant through a side door in her courtroom while the agents waited in a public hallway to apprehend him. WTG, Haannah! > Julius Kim, a criminal defense lawyer in Milwaukee who has known Judge Dugan for years, said on Friday that she is known for advocating on behalf of people who are “underrepresented in the justice system.” > > “Social justice issues are close to her heart,” he said. “But that being said, I don’t think she’s known by any stretch to be any kind of pushover in the courthouse, either. I think she takes her obligations seriously as a judge.” > > In 2021, Judge Dugan was a [finalist](https://issuu.com/shepherdexpress/docs/shxxxxxx-mgz_november2021_shepherd_publication_web) in the “Most Trusted Public Official” category in the Best of Milwaukee contest in The Shepherd Express, an alternative publication. Sounds like a dangerously uppity judge who needs to be stopped! “Social justice issues,” indeed! Harrumph! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/578 "2025-04-25T22:14:28Z")
We have reached the “Anne Frank” stage.☹ ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/579 "2025-04-25T22:27:20Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > This strikes me as The Administration taking a bad situation and deciding to make it worse by doubling-down. This administration will never, ever admit to making a mistake. They’d rather imprison the innocent, torture people, and worse than admit to a mistake. Yeah, we’re fucked. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/580 "2025-04-25T23:25:53Z")
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