# The Trump deportation news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 25, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404 "2025-01-25T23:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/901 "2025-07-13T21:44:07Z")
(Redacted because I’m not certain.) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/902 "2025-07-14T10:55:25Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > One, she is a U.S.-born U.S. citizen, so stripping her of her citizenship for spurious reasons is so far beyond legal and customary that even Trump’s backers might pause. Oh, sweet summer child. He is Trump, the mighty, first of his name. There is _nothing_ he can think of, nothing he can do, that would give them pause. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/903 "2025-07-14T15:06:09Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > One, she is a U.S.-born U.S. citizen, so stripping her of her citizenship for spurious reasons is so far beyond legal and customary that even Trump’s backers might pause. Ah, to have your optimistic views. Over on Breitbart they’re saying she self-deported and renounced her citizenship, so she did it to herself. Of course that’s utter bullshit, but they make up whatever is required to justify the actions. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/904 "2025-07-16T20:36:17Z")
This feels like the most significant news to-date in the world of immigration and deportation: > **[The IRS Is Building a Vast System to Share Millions of Taxpayers’ Data With ICE](https://www.govexec.com/management/2025/07/irs-building-vast-system-share-millions-taxpayers-data-ice/406739/)** > > ProPublica has obtained the blueprint for the Trump administration’s unprecedented plan to turn over IRS records to Homeland Security in order to speed up the agency’s mass deportation efforts. I’m not an immigration lawyer or otherwise associated with anything to do with the topic but, in my understanding, a significant and meaningful aspect of the legality of working without visa authorization is that - so long as you pay taxes - all will be forgiven and you can seek citizenship. It’s a large and hard to believe to be anything other than an intentional loophole that allows politicians to make certain claims about immigration that don’t apply in reality. In general, government wants immigrants. They add workers to the economy, are willing to necessary jobs (e.g. seasonal harvesting) that natives won’t, pay taxes, and help to prevent the population count from shrinking. It’s all win for the nation and for employers. If you can write the law in such a way that you launder them into citizenship while telling the electorate that they’re illegal and at risk of deportation, can’t steal your job because they’re not authorized to work, etc. then you’ve achieved political perfection. But again, that system all relies on the loophole. Keep your head down, don’t break laws, pay your taxes, and you’ll become a citizen - that’s the promise that America has distinctly and systemically whispered to everyone outside the border for some 50 years now. You use the tax payer ledgers as a target list and you’re really starting to throw gasoline over the roof of the house. Given Trump’s plays to-date, I’d be curious whether he actually understands and appreciates how this deviates from the theatrical crackdowns to piss off the libs, and gets you back into the territory where the whole thing needed to be [recallibrated back away from effective enforcement](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5350734-trump-ice-hotel-agriculture-restaurant-raids/). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/905 "2025-07-16T22:24:43Z")
It’s the same thing as arresting people at their check ins, they want to encourage bad behavior to justify more deportations. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/906 "2025-07-17T08:30:45Z")
They just want deportations, period. Abducting people at routine check-ins just means the Trump’s gestapo doesn’t have to do as much actual running. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/907 "2025-07-17T12:44:21Z")
Tommy Tuberville has some astute advice for us American citizens. > The reporter followed up by asking what citizens can do so they are not arrested in immigration raids. > > “Don’t hang around illegals,” Tuberville answered. “Bottom line, because President Trump has said, we’re gonna go after you. And at the end of the day, if you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time, something bad could happen.” Thanks, Senator. I’ll remember your words of wisdom. Link to [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/senator-tuberville-tells-u-s-citizens-swept-up-in-immigration-raids-don-t-hang-around-illegals/ar-AA1IKt09?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=814910d81e39449dfc921c74f8d6c038&ei=31) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/908 "2025-07-17T13:21:23Z")
I came here to post that article. I can’t help but think, ‘Freedom of Association? With Freedom comes responsibility (except for White, Christian, Straight, Male, U.S. Citizen, MAGAs) and consequences (for anyone who is not a WCSMUSCMAGA).’ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/909 "2025-07-17T20:44:20Z")
Hmm, I wonder how many employers of the undocumented will get caught up in these ICE raids? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/910 "2025-07-17T20:55:45Z")
Surely, you aren’t implying that there’s another way to achieve the same end goal without increasing the size of the US Federal government, creating a massive police state that threatens states rights, and moving our tax burden from self-returning funds to paying a big group of government knuckleheads to stare out over the empty deserts of the Southwest? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/911 "2025-07-17T21:02:54Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Hmm, I wonder how many employers of the undocumented will get caught up in these ICE raids? Over/Under starts at zero. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/912 "2025-07-17T21:10:10Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Given Trump’s plays to-date, I’d be curious whether he actually understands and appreciates how this deviates from the theatrical crackdowns to piss off the libs, and gets you back into the territory where the whole thing needed to be [recallibrated back away from effective enforcement](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5350734-trump-ice-hotel-agriculture-restaurant-raids/). As we are dealing with Trump. One can say that he is consistent… like baby poop. [https://www.boundless.com/blog/trump-immigration-raids-employers/](https://www.boundless.com/blog/trump-immigration-raids-employers/) > ## A Whiplash Policy Shift > > Last week, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) quietly paused most worksite raids in the agriculture, hospitality, and food processing sectors. That directive followed backlash from business leaders and members of the Trump administration who warned that sudden enforcement actions were harming industries with chronic labor shortages. > > But in the days since, the administration has taken a harder line. Homeland Security leadership issued a directive over the weekend pushing ICE agents to ramp up arrest numbers and intensify enforcement, including at workplaces. While large-scale worksite actions must now be approved by senior officials, there are no longer assurances that certain industries will be shielded. > > This reversal has left many employers in a precarious position: unsure if they’re in the clear or on the front lines of federal immigration enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/913 "2025-07-17T21:12:56Z")
The employers are in the clear, as far as being arrested and prosecuted goes. They always have been. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/914 "2025-07-17T21:14:01Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Hmm, I wonder how many employers of the undocumented will get caught up in these ICE raids? The number will be directly proportional to melanin level and inversely proportional to MAGA campaign contribution level. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/915 "2025-07-17T21:23:26Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As we are dealing with Trump, He is consistent… like baby poop. Yes and no. If you listened to Trump, for example, when the Big Beautiful Bill was being launched, he made it clear that he wanted to markedly reduce spending…but not Medicare spending, not Medicaid spending, and not Social Security Spending. If you know the Federal budget, then that’s sort of like saying, “Hey, you see that spider on the apple? Don’t hurt the apple.” Meaning: Kill the spider. Or, in terms of the Federal budget: Shrink the military. There’s no other way to markedly reduce spending after you run through the list. (Congress spurned him.) Trump learned how to issue illicit directives by working with mafia and criminal types. You don’t say what you want to have happen, you give a semi-ambiguous reverse statement that gives plausible deniability. You don’t say, “Wack Johnny.” You say, “Make sure Jane and Billy get home safe.” Johnny is expected to be out with his wife and son, Jane and Billy. Johnny _shouldn’t_ get home safe. When he’s dealing with his own people, who think like crooks, the message transmits perfectly and his will gets done. When he’s dealing with non-crooks, the messages often come through wrong. He gets a pass for things like telling Congress to shrink the military, because most people don’t understand what the directive was from what he said. And, in this case, Homan or whoever is in charge of things, seems to be misunderstanding the message. Trump wants to create headlines by picking up Honduran day laborers that help Liberals in LA to paint their walls. He doesn’t want ICE to go into the farm regions and grab people who are harvesting food for Republican farm magnates. He doesn’t want them poking around Mar-a-Lago or Wynn Hotels in Vegas. If he can’t get ICE to target the right people and ignore the right people, then he’ll need to swap out leadership for someone who knows how to read between the lines, appropriately. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/916 "2025-07-17T21:47:12Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If he can’t get ICE to target the right people and ignore the right people, then he’ll need to swap out leadership for someone who knows how to read between the lines, appropriately. And tell Miller to STFU about millions of deportations a year. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/917 "2025-07-17T23:37:39Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > someone who knows how to read between the lines, appropriately. I think you meant say this: > someone who knows how to read between the lies, appropriately ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/918 "2025-07-18T01:06:20Z")
Well that was probably my most successful prediction ever: [https://thehill.com/immigration/5405518-homan-hints-trump-farm-worker-policy-is-coming/](https://thehill.com/immigration/5405518-homan-hints-trump-farm-worker-policy-is-coming/) All net. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/919 "2025-07-18T18:55:32Z")
Yeah. There’s precedent: > **[President Trump Issues New Executive Order Banning Many Employment-Based Visas](https://www.schwabe.com/publication/president-trump-issues-new-executive-order-banning-many-employment-based-visas/)** > > On June 22, 2020, President Trump issued a proclamation that continues and extends the effects of his earlier Proclamation 10014 (April 22, 2020), banning the entry of many immigrants to the United States (“U.S.”). The new Proclamation now extends... **During COVID.** > Importantly, the H-2A visa category for seasonal agricultural workers is not included in the visa ban. Also, although the H-2B visa category is included and is commonly used by employers within the agriculture and forest products industries, the Proclamation explicitly exempts those individuals who will be employed in jobs that “support the food supply chain,” leaving open a small window for some qualifying H-2B visa applicants. I’m going to attempt a raucous double entendre by calling “TACO” on this one 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/920 "2025-07-18T20:38:50Z")
This is tangentially related to deportation, but I don’t think it’s worth a new thread. As part of the big ugly bill, an additional $250 visa fee for business visitors and tourists is going to be required, surrenderable by people who overstay. The department that will be collecting that additional money is different from the department that normally collects visa fees, so this is just going to be yet another clusterfuck, and good luck getting your money back. > **[Travelers to the U.S. must pay a new $250 'visa integrity fee' — what to know](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/18/visa-integrity-fee-what-to-know-about-new-travel-fee-to-enter-the-us-.html)** > > Travelers to the U.S. must pay a new "visa integrity fee" to visit, but questions remain as to how and when it will be implemented. Here's what we know so far. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404.md?page=47)