# The Trump deportation news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 25, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404 "2025-01-25T23:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/121 "2025-01-30T04:10:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > If they vote against Dear Leader, that is clear evidence of treason Treason actually isn’t a crime under Tennessee law anymore. It was repealed in 2023. > **[2023 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - CRIMINAL OFFENSES (§§ 39-1-101 —...](https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/title-39/chapter-5/part-8/#:~:text=2023%20Tennessee%20Code%20Title%2039%20%2D%20CRIMINAL,Previous.%20Section%2039%2D5%2D801%20%2D%2039%2D5%2D848%20%2D%20%5BRepealed%5D)** > > Justia Free Databases of U.S. Laws, Codes & Statutes ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/122 "2025-01-30T04:11:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Treason actually isn’t a crime under Tennessee law anymore. It was repealed in 2023. Forget it, **Smapti** , this is Trumptown. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/123 "2025-01-30T04:16:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > Treason actually isn’t a crime under Tennessee law anymore. It was repealed in 2023. > > Forget it, **Smapti** , this is Trumptown. Forget it Smapti, > [@](#): > > The Tennessee Senate has passed a bill making it a class-E felony > Senators and representatives shall, in all cases, except treason, **felony** , or breach of the peace, **be privileged from arrest** > prescribe removal from office because nothing you’ve posted addresses what’s at issue. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/124 "2025-01-30T04:32:13Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > because nothing you’ve posted addresses what’s at issue. You conveniently decided not to quote the part that specifically addresses what’s at issue. > [@Smapti](#): > > and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place. Which means the exact same thing as it does in the federal constitution - legislators are immune from being prosecuted because of how they vote or what they say in session. Otherwise, Republicans could simply pass a law making it illegal for Democrats to be in Congress. > **[Speech or Debate Clause](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause)** > > The Speech or Debate Clause is a clause in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 6, Clause 1). The clause states that "The Senators and Representatives" of Congress "shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place." > The intended purpose is to p... > [@](#): > > The intended purpose is to prevent a U.S. President or other officials of the executive branch from having members arrested on a pretext to prevent them from voting a certain way or otherwise taking actions with which the president might disagree. It also protects members from civil suits related to their official duties. > > A similar clause in many state constitutions protects members of state legislatures. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/125 "2025-01-30T04:34:48Z")
It says speech or debate not vote. Now if you’d like to cite a relevant bit of case law I’m all ~~ears~~ eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/126 "2025-01-30T04:40:08Z")
> [@](#): > > The Supreme Court adopted a broad interpretation of Speech or Debate from its first assessment of the Clause in the 1881 case Kilbourn v. Thompson. In Kilbourn, the Court considered whether a civil action could be maintained against Members who were responsible for initiating and approving a contempt resolution ordering an arrest. The Members defended themselves on the ground that their acts were protected by the Clause. The Court agreed, determining that the Members were not subject to suit for their actions. > > The Court adopted a constitutional construction of the Clause that extended its protections beyond mere legislative deliberation and argument, holding that it would be a narrow view of the constitutional provision to limit it to words spoken in debate. Instead, the Court determined that the Clause applied to things generally done in a session of the House by one of its members in relation to the business before it, including the presentation of reports, the offering of resolutions, and the act of voting. [https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S6-C1-3-3/ALDE\_00013302/](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S6-C1-3-3/ALDE_00013302/) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/127 "2025-01-30T05:03:02Z")
Smapti is right. A plain reading of Tennessee’s and the Federal Constitution’s _Speech And Debate Clause_ isn’t clear on this, but the 1881 SCotUS case _Kilbourn v. Thompson_ is. The person in Tennessee, who’s title I’m drawing a blank on, that’s responsible for checking that a law about to be passed hasn’t already been ruled unconstitutional needs to be replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/128 "2025-01-30T05:41:30Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > The person in Tennessee, who’s title I’m drawing a blank on, that’s responsible for checking that a law about to be passed hasn’t already been ruled unconstitutional The parliamentarian? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/129 "2025-01-30T05:41:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ICE needs to detain White American citizens until they can prove they’re here legally. Not only would this show that they are applying the law equally, it would get people used to carrying zee papahss. I could try speaking German in public in hopes that ICE would deport me to my ancestral homeland, but somehow I doubt I’d get the desired response. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/130 "2025-01-30T05:43:26Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > could try speaking German in public in hopes that ICE would deport me to my ancestral homeland [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djb1F_VUwAE8z3_?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djb1F_VUwAE8z3_?format=jpg&name=large) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/131 "2025-01-30T05:47:34Z")
No, > [The Office of the Parliamentarian](https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/officers-and-organizations/parliamentarian-of-the-house) provides the House with nonpartisan guidance on parliamentary rules and procedures. this is closest > [The Office of the Legislative Counsel](https://legcounsel.house.gov/) provides legislative drafting services to the committees and Members of the House of Representatives and, of course, Tennessee doesn’t seem to have a Legislative Counsel. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/132 "2025-01-30T06:09:31Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > There’ll be an EO ordering the Cuba faucet to be turned on. “Do it or we’ll slap tariffs on your imports! Oh, wait.” ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/133 "2025-01-30T11:59:31Z")
So we got a text from our housecleaner, a Brazilian woman here legally. She’s not able to send a crew this week for our scheduled cleaning because too many of her workers are here without authorization and are therefore not working, because they are scared of getting rounded up. Frankly, since we’re just outside Boston, I think it’s a little bit of an overreaction (none of the police around here are pulling people over for running red lights, much less immigration status). So there we are. It’s having its desired effect. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/134 "2025-01-30T18:33:59Z")
[Trump’s Border Czar supposedly hates that migrants know their rights](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/making-it-very-difficult-to-arrest-trump-s-border-czar-supposedly-hates-that-migrants-know-their-rights/ar-AA1y7pXn) > Trump’s Border Czar Tom Homan is complaining that mass deportation is harder than he thought it would be. > > [In an interview on CNN](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-border-czar-rages-about-migrants-being-too-educated-about-rights-in-ice-round-ups/), Homan whined that undocumented migrants living in sanctuary cities are too “educated” about their rights, and that makes them “very difficult” to arrest. Homans statements are another example of the Republican habit of [saying the quiet part out loud](https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1863953303899357555?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1863953303899357555%7Ctwgr%5E5f1214f134101d0c077da14f149bf3012115fcc3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffpost.com%2Fentry%2Fmarjorie-taylor-greene-blanket-pardon_n_675019b0e4b07209ad74584c), implying that the Trump administration blatantly and criminally intends to violate the rights of migrants, and would rather keep those migrants uninformed of their rights in order to facilitate unlawful deportations. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/135 "2025-01-30T19:17:23Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > …implying that the Trump administration blatantly and criminally intends to violate the rights of migrants… Homan’s statement is pretty reprehensible, but imputing those intentions is a bit of an overreach. Even if law enforcement officers are following all the rules and _not_ violating any rights, it still helps them when the people they are dealing with don’t understand their rights. If I don’t understand that I have the right to remain silent or the right to refuse a search (absent probably cause), I may end up choosing to speak or consent to a search when I don’t have to, all without my rights having been violated. If I don’t understand that cops can lie to me about what evidence they already have, or what someone else has said about my guilt, I may end up voluntarily confessing to a crime, again without my rights having been violated. If I don’t understand that I have the right to legal representation/counsel, it may never occur to me to ask for it. A quickly mumbled Miranda notice to someone who may or may not understand English very well, delivered while they are being arrested and distracted with an overload of adrenalin and fear, isn’t going to educate them of their rights in a meaningful way. Proper education to really communicate to people what their rights are, prior to contact with law enforcement, is a good thing for an ostensibly free people. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/136 "2025-01-30T19:19:59Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Proper education to really communicate to people what their rights are, prior to contact with law enforcement, is a good thing for an ostensibly free people. Which is what they’re doing. And which is what Homan is pissed about. ---
**Author:** ![Culling\_The\_Herd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Culling\_The\_Herd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Culling_The_Herd)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/137 "2025-01-30T22:37:53Z")
_Realistic estimates of the total number of undocumented immigrants is about 14 million. That means he intends to deport a minimum of 6 million with every legal right to be in the country._ [https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/](https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/) Of course, this MIT/Yale study was conducted prior to the Biden Administration taking control of the borders. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/138 "2025-01-30T22:42:16Z")
My guess is that some of the undocumented immigrants are in families with some legal residents or US citizens. (Most obviously, a child born in the United States to an undocumented parent.) Perhaps they’re counting on the likelihood that legal residents or US citizens will voluntarily leave to be with undocumented deportees? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/139 "2025-01-30T22:57:56Z")
> [@Culling\_The\_Herd](#): > > That means he intends to deport a minimum of 6 million with every legal right to be in the country. You can’t assume with Trump that his saying he wants to do something means he actually intends to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404/140 "2025-01-30T23:33:24Z")
Plus, deporting millions of people is going to require additional resources (people and detention sites). A recent New York Times article about the plan to house 30,000 in the Guantanamo Bay base said, “In recent weeks, about 40,000 immigrants have been held in private detention centers and local jails around the country as funding constraints have limited the number of detention sites.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-deportation-news-thread/1013404.md?page=8)