# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1981 "2019-10-06T14:20:34Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > “[Multiple](https://twitter.com/AndrewBakaj/status/1180826504952983553)” whistleblowers. With [first hand](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2nd-whistleblower-forward-speaking-ig-attorney/story?id=66092396&cid=social_twitter_abcn) knowledge. > > Damn, and the cement wasn’t even dry from the last goalpost placement. There’s a tiny flicker of optimism in my heart that this Ukraine call might really be the piece that causes the whole Jenga tower to finally collapse. Let’s just hope this attorney isn’t another Avenatti. And McConnell still has to go. I keep hoping for some career-ending revelation about him. C’mon, “liberal media”, take him down! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1982 "2019-10-06T14:47:00Z")
Spending my Sunday idly wondering how long Donald Trump would’ve stayed in office if J. Edgar Hoover was head of the FBI. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1983 "2019-10-06T14:48:12Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Spending my Sunday idly wondering how long Donald Trump would’ve stayed in office if J. Edgar Hoover was head of the FBI. 8 years. At least. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1984 "2019-10-06T16:52:00Z")
Who are some prior politicians (senators?) who were as overtly and unapologetically biased as McConnell. When Johnson was manhandling Congress, did show his hand so blatantly? Here in Chicago, the fix was in under Daley. Just wondering. It is impressive to see a national politician say, “Truth be damned, it’s all about our agenda.” ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1985 "2019-10-06T16:59:30Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Who are some . . . senators . . . who were as overtly and unapologetically biased as McConnell. Senators? It goes back a long time. Check out [these guys](https://www.history.com/news/rome-republic-augustus-dictator). 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1986 "2019-10-06T17:16:54Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > …And McConnell still has to go. I keep hoping for some career-ending revelation about him. C’mon, “liberal media”, take him down! Didn’t Moscow Mitch’s father in law trade him a five-to-twenty-five million dollar gift in exchange for influencing government favors to his shipping company? That sort of thing doesn’t matter any more, right, as long as a Republican does it? > **[A $59 Million Will Sheds Light On Shipping Fortune Connected To Elaine Chao...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2019/06/10/million-will-sheds-light-on-shipping-fortune-connected-to-elaine-chao-and-mitch-mcconnell/#52137dd72eb2)** > > When Elaine Chao’s mother died in 2007 she left behind a fortune. Forbes unveils the documents detailing her assets for the first time, as Trump’s Secretary of Transportation and Senator Mitch McConnell could stand to receive millions more. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1987 "2019-10-06T17:21:46Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The goalposts are on rollers. The goalposts are on a pace car with big red stripes on it. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1988 "2019-10-06T17:52:26Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > There’s a tiny flicker of optimism in my heart that this Ukraine call might really be the piece that causes the whole Jenga tower to finally collapse. > > Let’s just hope this attorney isn’t another Avenatti. > > And McConnell still has to go. I keep hoping for some career-ending revelation about him. C’mon, “liberal media”, take him down! The tower won’t collapse until it’s support does; and that’s not happening any time soon. Trump supporters are now all in and Congress is following instead of leading. Tucker Carlson finally realized he couldn’t argue the details of the phone call, so he’s now saying it isn’t an impeachable offense. That’s going to be the new party line. I’m starting to fear the worst. Last week I did a tour of my old hood and met up with 4 friends separately. Every single one of them said they’d only vote Democrat if Biden was the candidate. I personally prefer Warren, and I know she’s polling well, but I got a really bad feeling about this. I think if Republicans think Warren will be the candidate they will be less likely to turn on Trump knowing the center will more likely vote Republican. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1989 "2019-10-06T18:04:46Z")
Trump puts down the Democrats for “[sticking together](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464534-trump-democrats-are-lucky-that-they-dont-have-any-mitt-romney-types)”. > [@Dolt 45](#): > > They may be lousy politicians, with really bad policies (Open Borders, Sanctuary Cities etc.), but they stick together! Wouldn’t that be great, the Democrats sticking together? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1990 "2019-10-06T18:48:58Z")
So are Republicans coming around? Are they softening on Trump? Or- are they going instead with red-faced screaming chaos, in defense of Trump? Have a look at this Meet The Press interview. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Xzgs2kyNpW0/maxresdefault.jpg "Full Johnson: GOP Attacks Press Over Trump’s Ukraine Actions | Meet The Press | NBC News") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzgs2kyNpW0) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1991 "2019-10-06T18:49:09Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > The tower won’t collapse until it’s support does; and that’s not happening any time soon. Trump supporters are now all in and Congress is following instead of leading. Tucker Carlson finally realized he couldn’t argue the details of the phone call, so he’s now saying it isn’t an impeachable offense. That’s going to be the new party line. > > I’m starting to fear the worst. Last week I did a tour of my old hood and met up with 4 friends separately. **Every single one of them said they’d only vote Democrat if Biden was the candidate**. I personally prefer Warren, and I know she’s polling well, but I got a really bad feeling about this. I think if Republicans think Warren will be the candidate they will be less likely to turn on Trump knowing the center will more likely vote Republican. Thank you for your empirical observations and sharing this point. It bears out what I’ve been saying for ages: Biden is the one Trump fears most. Sure, we all wish Biden was 10 years younger and didn’t have \>40 years of public service from which to cherry pick moments that can be used to gaslight and tarnish. But honestly, that part doesn’t matter, because Republicans are going to do that to _any_ Democratic candidate. If we want to bring out the Citizens United crowd, just run Senator Warren. Big Tech and Big Money will array themselves against her in every way possible, because she has publicly declared war on their industries. I want them brought to heel as much as anyone, but until power is attained, we can’t get much done. As much as I would support Warren in any other election, I’d rather see a Biden presidency with a Secretary of Commerce Warren than another 4 years of the Trump Cabal. Even in the unlikely event Trump is removed from office in advance of the election, Pence (if he survives) or some other Republican nominee will simply carry on the Republican goal of demolishing our democracy as we know it. I hope Dems can accept this reality. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1992 "2019-10-06T18:50:13Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > Trump puts down the Democrats for “[sticking together](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464534-trump-democrats-are-lucky-that-they-dont-have-any-mitt-romney-types)”. > > Wouldn’t that be great, the Democrats sticking together? Heh. Another lie, but for once I wish it were true. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1993 "2019-10-06T19:50:12Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Heh. Another lie, but for once I wish it were true. “Both” of our political parties work very well together, in tandem, to override the will of the unsubstantial people, the donor class has this covered “either” way. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1994 "2019-10-06T20:11:17Z")
> [@Fentoine\_Lum](#): > > “Both” of our political parties work very well together, in tandem, to override the will of the unsubstantial people, the donor class has this covered “either” way. You put scare quotes around the wrong word. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1995 "2019-10-06T20:26:14Z")
“Both” instances? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1996 "2019-10-06T20:42:52Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Yeah, my point is that fitting this into a federal crime box at all is a mistake. It is obviously an egregious abuse of power to even ask for foreign assistance in a US election, much less withhold military aid to achieve that end. Yup, if ya can rationalize that ya can rationalize anything, but hey, mindfuckedly rationalizing anything to achieve an end is as american as apple pie, violence and baseball. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1997 "2019-10-06T21:12:31Z")
> [@Fentoine\_Lum](#): > > …as american as apple pie, violence and baseball. Either you got your quote terribly wrong, or you’ve shuffled together two, possibly three, other quotes. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1998 "2019-10-06T21:18:31Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Either you got your quote terribly wrong, or you’ve shuffled together two, possibly three, other quotes. Oh I rather think folks understand where we’re at. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/1999 "2019-10-06T21:20:41Z")
Or he just said something that’s not a quote. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2000 "2019-10-06T21:22:21Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > “Both” instances? 😃 Yeah, so when one looks at the past half century of societal wealth redistribution in america, it looks utterly bipartisan to me: [https://online.wsj.com/media/EPI\_productivity\_compensation.png](https://online.wsj.com/media/EPI_productivity_compensation.png) Might be worth revisiting The Powell Memorandum and the Trilateral Commission publication “A Crisis of Democracy”, this stuff was no accident or “natural” phenomenon of “the market”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=99) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=101)