# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2301 "2019-10-09T23:18:16Z")
[New Fox News Poll](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment): > [@](#): > > A new high of 51 percent wants Trump impeached and removed from office, another 4 percent want him impeached but not removed, and 40 percent oppose impeachment altogether. Sorry for the duplicate link, poster above beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2302 "2019-10-10T00:00:07Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Yes, technically the House can change its own rules for this inquiry in particular. It would lose the semblance of bipartisanship, but it is still constitutional as far as I can tell. It would probably do your future analysis good to realize that Trump has made it quite impossible to even feign bipartisanship nowadays. You are looking to some noble ideal, when everyone knows that the Republicans will only use an olive branch to poke the inquiry in the eye. I am no means a Democrat, I’m just not blind. If the Dems can present a case that looks honest, only the hard Rs will be crying about bipartisanship. > [@](#): > > Regarding the actual subpoena power, both the Nixon and Clinton impeachment inquiries the relevant committees allowed the minority party to issue subpoenas. The cites are in the letter and those resolutions were specifically adopted for the Judiciary committee’s impeachment inquiries. If the general subpoena power has changed in the meantime, that does not diminish the fact that this inquiry would be breaking a pattern of deference to the minority party during presidential impeachment inquiries. This is more silliness. Precedent is merely a guideline for all House procedures. There is no wisdom in following procedure from 45 years ago if the situation is different. ---
**Author:** ![Marion\_Morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@Marion\_Morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marion_Morrison)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2303 "2019-10-10T00:11:20Z")
The Clinton impeachment was bad enough, this is total bullshit! There’s no grounds to impeach Trump, and those people need to do their jobs or be hanged or go to jail. There were no grounds to impeach Clinton, and that was a colossal waste of time and taxpayer money. Now here go the “privileged” wanting to redeaux the same damn thing. It makes me mad.] Trump’s the best president in my lifetime, all these people are doing is looking like idiots that crave power. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2304 "2019-10-10T00:15:59Z")
> [@Marion\_Morrison](#): > > Trump’s the best president in my lifetime, all these people are doing is looking like idiots that crave power. I agree with the second part of your sentence: Pompeo, Barr, Pence, and especially Trump are indeed looking that way. The first part of your sentence makes me wonder exactly how old you’d have to be to make that sentence true. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2305 "2019-10-10T00:19:34Z")
> [@Marion\_Morrison](#): > > There’s no grounds to impeach Trump, and those people need to do their jobs or be hanged or go to jail. . . > > It makes me mad. . . Sixty percent of the US is mad, too (well, forty percent in another way, sure). So I don’t think that the people you’d like to see in jail are going to be the ones going there. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2306 "2019-10-10T00:27:19Z")
> [@Marion\_Morrison](#): > > There’s no grounds to impeach Trump, and those people need to do their jobs or be hanged or go to jail. There’s denial, and then there’s **DENIAL**. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2307 "2019-10-10T00:38:55Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It would probably do your future analysis good to realize that Trump has made it quite impossible to even feign bipartisanship nowadays. You are looking to some noble ideal, when everyone knows that the Republicans will only use an olive branch to poke the inquiry in the eye. I am no means a Democrat, I’m just not blind. If the Dems can present a case that looks honest, only the hard Rs will be crying about bipartisanship. Yes. And we can be certain that Republican whining about House Democrats being “unfair” will continue at a remarkably consistent volume, _completely independent of what concessions_ Democrats might make. The remedy for a Congressional minority that wants to impose its wishes and desires on the majority, is to win the majority in the next election. > [@CarnalK](#): > > This is more silliness. Precedent is merely a guideline for all House procedures. There is no wisdom in following procedure from 45 years ago if the situation is different. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2308 "2019-10-10T00:57:43Z")
> [@Marion\_Morrison](#): > > The Clinton impeachment was bad enough, this is total bullshit! > > There’s no grounds to impeach Trump, and those people need to do their jobs or be hanged or go to jail. > > There were no grounds to impeach Clinton, and that was a colossal waste of time and taxpayer money. Now here go the “privileged” wanting to redeaux the same damn thing. It makes me mad.] > > Trump’s the best president in my lifetime, all these people are doing is looking like idiots that crave power. Is this snark? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2309 "2019-10-10T00:59:03Z")
> [@Marion\_Morrison](#): > > There’s no grounds to impeach Trump… Have you heard that Trump withheld congressionally appropriated foreign aid to an ally who had been invaded unless they produced dirt on his political opponent? Are you aware that Trump is actively refusing to abide by subpoenas and is instructing others to not participate in congressional investigations, which is usually regarded as obstruction of justice? ---
**Author:** ![Marion\_Morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@Marion\_Morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marion_Morrison)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2310 "2019-10-10T01:01:43Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I agree with the second part of your sentence: Pompeo, Barr, Pence, and especially Trump are indeed looking that way. > > The first part of your sentence makes me wonder exactly how old you’d have to be to make that sentence true. Oh lawd, Orange Man Bad, amirite? Older than you, and smarter. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Marion\_Morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@Marion\_Morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marion_Morrison)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2311 "2019-10-10T01:03:05Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Have you heard that Trump withheld congressionally appropriated foreign aid to an ally who had been invaded unless they produced dirt on his political opponent? > > Are you aware that Trump is actively refusing to abide by subpoenas and is instructing others to not participate in congressional investigations, which is usually regarded as obstruction of justice? Are you aware you’re falling for a line of bullshit? Apparently not. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Marion\_Morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@Marion\_Morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marion_Morrison)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2312 "2019-10-10T01:04:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Is this snark? 😕 No, it’s reality knocking dude. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Marion\_Morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@Marion\_Morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marion_Morrison)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2313 "2019-10-10T01:05:23Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > There’s denial, and then there’s **DENIAL**. 😛 What reason is there to impeach Trump? Do elaborate. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2314 "2019-10-10T01:07:47Z")
> [@Marion\_Morrison](#): > > Are you aware you’re falling for a line of bullshit? > > Apparently not. :smack: We’re going to need something more sophisticated than that sophistry. Did Trump not make a request for dirt on Biden of a foreign government? Is he not refusing to cooperate with an investigation? Please explain why not. Evidence and argument is appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2315 "2019-10-10T01:08:13Z")
Trump said Wednesday that it would be “easy” for the United States to form new alliances if Syrian Kurds leave the fight against the Islamic State to fend off a Turkish attack, noting that > [@Donald](#): > > [[The Kurds] didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us in Normandy” and were only interested in fighting for “their land".](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-defends-abandoning-the-kurds-they-didnt-help-us-with-normandy) That’s gold, Jerry!! Gold! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2316 "2019-10-10T01:12:16Z")
Goodness, that is truly the dumbest thing to come out of that moron’s pie-hole — and that’s saying something. Where were the Kurds at the Battle of Bunker Hill? Well? _Well_? Goodness gracious. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2317 "2019-10-10T01:14:22Z")
From noted leftie-socialist site Fox News: P > [@](#): > > ENTAGON – A member of U.S. Special Forces serving alongside the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Syria told Fox News on Wednesday they were witnessing Turkish atrocities on the frontlines. > > “I am ashamed for the first time in my career,” said the distraught soldier, who has been involved in the training of indigenous forces on multiple continents. The hardened service member is among the 1,000 or so U.S. troops who remain in Syria. > > “Turkey is not doing what it agreed to. It’s horrible,” the military source on the ground said. “We met every single security agreement. The Kurds met every single agreement [with the Turks]. There was no threat to the Turks – none – from this side of the border." I’m thinking this latest atrocity - triggered by a tweet from the very stable genius - should most definitely be rolled into the impeachment inquiry… ---
**Author:** ![Marion\_Morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@Marion\_Morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marion_Morrison)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2318 "2019-10-10T01:17:17Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > We’re going to need something more sophisticated than that sophistry. > > Did Trump not make a request for dirt on Biden of a foreign government? > > Is he not refusing to cooperate with an investigation? > > Please explain why not. Evidence and argument is appreciated. The reason that’s grounds for impeachment is-? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2319 "2019-10-10T01:19:43Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > See that the trap springs not > 'Til the greedy varmint gorges > On raw bait in the kill zone > > Muster all your patience > For there will not be > A second chance > > . > [@bobot](#): > > Hey, that’s good! Agreed, but when did Nostradamus get into _hextraines_? Or are those from the I Ching? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2320 "2019-10-10T01:24:13Z")
> [@Marion\_Morrison](#): > > The reason that’s grounds for impeachment is-? Soliciting foreign interference in an American election is impeachable for the same reason that campaign finance violations regarding Stormy Daniels are impeachable: it’s illegal. As for obstruction of justice? Wells, that’s just tradition, since it served as grounds in Clinton’s impeachment and was also part of the charges against Nixon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=115) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=117)