# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 125
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2481 "2019-10-10T21:35:17Z")
It’s my understanding (garnered from a Law and Order episode, natch) that an attorney can not invoke attorney-client privilege for any crimes he may have been a participant in. Any actual lawyers want to weigh in on that one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2482 "2019-10-10T21:37:39Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > It’s my understanding (garnered from a Law and Order episode, natch) that an attorney can not invoke attorney-client privilege for any crimes he may have been a participant in. “Oh, pardon me.” ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2483 "2019-10-10T21:41:11Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Never mind that these turkeys were doing Giuliani’s bidding in Ukraine, which was requested by trump. And there are pictures of them with trump so he can’t say he never met them. > . Sure he can: [Trump denies knowing indicted Giuliani associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman despite photos](http://https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/10/donald-trump-denies-knowing-giuliani-associates-lev-parnas-igor-fruman/3858385002/) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2484 "2019-10-10T22:02:32Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > We have a winnah! > > [https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1182400106420531200?s=20](https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1182400106420531200?s=20) > > > [@](#): > > > > Asked about two men with ties to Rudy Giuliani arrested earlier today, Pres. Trump says, “I don’t know those gentlemen. Now, it’s possible I have a picture with them, because I have a picture with everybody.” > > > > “Maybe they were clients of Rudy,” he adds. “You’d have to ask Rudy.” “Everybody wants a picture with me. Because I’m a stable genius with great and unmatched wisdom. Everybody wants a picture with me. But I don’t know these people. Some of them might be criminals and rapists, I don’t know. And some, I assume, are good people. But everybody wants a picture with me. But I don’t know these people. Never saw them before in my life, believe me.” “In fact I don’t know Rudy Giuliani, either. Never met the man. Is he the guy they say looks exactly like Count Orlok in _Nosferatu_? I thought so. Never met him. I’ve never met the man.” ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2485 "2019-10-10T22:05:56Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > Remember that the Senate has a very different purpose in this than the House. I am of the opinion that any Senate questioning of Giuliani would be designed as an opportunity for him to gaslight and muddy the waters. Giving it the imprimatur of the hallowed Senate rather than FOX. Senator Graham was openly calling for the hearing with Rudy for the specific purpose of getting Rudy to talk about the Bidens. This isn’t a matter of divining the subtext for the reason for the hearing; it was literally the text. > **[Graham says he will invite Rudy Giuliani to speak to Senate Judiciary...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/08/politics/rudy-giuliani-lindsey-graham-ukraine/index.html)** > > Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said on Tuesday that he plans to invite Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, to speak to the committee about Ukraine. And when Graham floated this idea of opening Rudy up to questions under oath, Dems basically said OH HELL YES GREAT IDEA!! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2486 "2019-10-10T22:10:19Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > “In fact I don’t know Rudy Giuliani, either. Never met the man. Is he the guy they say looks exactly like Count Orlok in _Nosferatu_? I thought so. Never met him. I’ve never met the man.” As if Trump has ever watched a classic silent black&white movie like Nosferatu without proposing colorization and a new script and recording. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2487 "2019-10-10T22:39:35Z")
Interesting fact: Fruman owns a club in Odessa [called “MAFIA RAVE”](https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1182357367087869952). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2488 "2019-10-10T23:08:17Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > And had lunch with Giuliani at the Trump Hotel, right before getting arrested fleeing the country… OK, with so much happening here, I sometimes (a lot) overlook certain details. I think one of those details just sank in with me. Do I have this right: Those 2 guys were scheduled to testify before the House tomorrow, but were arrested at Dulles with one way tickets to fly out of the country today? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2489 "2019-10-10T23:09:42Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Those 2 guys were scheduled to testify before the House tomorrow, but were arrested at Dulles with one way tickets to fly out of the country today? To Ukraine, no less (according to AP Radio News). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2490 "2019-10-10T23:09:47Z")
… and they had lunch with the President’s personal attorney right before this flight? Yes, you have that right. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2491 "2019-10-10T23:14:06Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Jay Sekulow made a statement that none of this has anything to do with trump! :rolleyes: > > Never mind that these turkeys were doing Giuliani’s bidding in Ukraine, which was requested by trump. And there are pictures of them with trump so he can’t say he never met them. > > This does feel like a big deal but I’m scared trump can stop it. > > (emphasis added) By arresting them, won’t they now be able to take the 5th if asked about Giuliani? Maybe Barr was happy to assist in taking them down. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2492 "2019-10-10T23:14:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > … and they had lunch with the President’s personal attorney right before this flight? > > Yes, you have that right. If this happened in an episode of 24 I’d laugh it off as too obvious. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2493 "2019-10-10T23:19:11Z")
Wait… It gets better… [https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1182414112866885635?s=19](https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1182414112866885635?s=19) > [@](#): > > Scoop: Rudy Giuliani was also planning to head to Vienna tonight–one day after Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were trying to do the same with one-way tickets. > **[The Mystery of Rudy Giuliani’s Vienna Trip](https://t.co/e4lJr6V3Z5)** > > President Trump’s personal lawyer told me he was planning to fly to Vienna roughly 24 hours after his business associates were arrested as they prepared to do the same. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2494 "2019-10-10T23:24:42Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > By arresting them, won’t they now be able to take the 5th if asked about Giuliani? > Maybe Barr was happy to assist in taking them down. Well, they weren’t going to testify if they hadn’t been arrested and had been able to leave the country so I guess same difference. I am still worried slippery Don will get out of it. Some amazing stuff happening today. Amazing as in what the hell is going on?! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2495 "2019-10-10T23:24:58Z")
Well fuck. Republicans, as the kids today are wont to say: What the actual fuck? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2496 "2019-10-10T23:26:16Z")
Sent to the Jeffrey Epstein wing? ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2497 "2019-10-10T23:34:12Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Wait… > > It gets better… > > [https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1182414112866885635?s=19](https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1182414112866885635?s=19) > > Scoop: Rudy Giuliani was also planning to head to Vienna tonight–one day after Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were trying to do the same with one-way tickets. > > [https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/](https://t.co/e4lJr6V3Z5) Maybe, one day, Rudy might surprise everybody and choose to restore his 9/11 legacy by coming clean about everything, especially about Trump. This will be spun by the WH of course as the desperate ravings of a sick man. They’d show videos pointing to his increasing memory loss and cognitive impairment. Nobody’s mind would be changed. But it would be great to watch. ETA: Or maybe he’ll take the fall, claiming I did those things myself. ‘The president had no idea’. Then Trump will pardon him (on humanitarian grounds) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2498 "2019-10-11T00:08:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Wait… > > It gets better… > > [https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1182414112866885635?s=19](https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1182414112866885635?s=19) > > [https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/](https://t.co/e4lJr6V3Z5) Did Rudy plan on coming back? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2499 "2019-10-11T00:11:55Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Did Rudy plan on coming back? After the guilty plea and the jail time, can we just deport him to Russia? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2500 "2019-10-11T00:31:21Z")
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