# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 135
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2681 "2019-10-14T20:01:38Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Congress could impeach the President for wearing the wrong color tie. Saying something is “impeachable” is meaningless. I’d be interested to know if you thought it was a crime, and if so, which one, specifically. Extortion. Bribery and extortion are of course two sides of the same coin, and the Constitution specifically mentions bribery as grounds for impeachment: “Treason, Bribery, and other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” Last eight words of Article II. Oh, and it doesn’t matter in the least if Zelenskiy was unaware that the aid was being withheld. If Trump _intended_ to use it as a cudgel to make Zelenskiy do something, then that suffices. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2682 "2019-10-14T20:08:36Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > **Moriarty** (and **Aspenglow** ), > > Thanks for the responses. I don’t find the claim very convincing, but I’d be curious to hear some of your additional thoughts. For starters, [here’s an NPR story on the subject](https://www.npr.org/2019/10/05/767261398/trumps-ukraine-call-might-violate-election-laws-but-no-one-s-enforcing-them): > > ISTM that you’re favoring an extremely broad interpretation of campaign finance laws. For example, if a fictional president were to ask a fictional foreign government for a favorable trade agreement sometime before his re-election bid, perhaps even planning on touting in campaign commercials how he had arranged a favorable trade agreement with this foreign government and it had brought benefits to the working class, I suppose by the strict letter of the law, one might try to claim that he had “solicited” an “other thing of value” from the foreign government, but I find that interpretation ludicrous. As the NPR article pointed out, the President needs some latitude to conduct foreign policy without any favorable thing being interpreted as an “other thing of value” for purposes of campaign finance laws. Your thoughts? My first thought is that there is a lot in that NPR story to suggest that, yes, the President broke the law. You are cutting and pasting to make it say otherwise. For example, the headline is “Trump’s Ukraine Call Might Violate Election Laws, But No One’s Enforcing Them”, which is altogether different than a story that says that he did not break the laws. And there are people quoted in the story who pretty clearly say that he did, or that soliciting foreign assistance of the kind that Trump did is illegal. > [@](#): > > Brendan Fischer, an attorney with the Campaign Legal Center, believes there was a violation of the law. He says that “there is a long list” of examples of the Federal Election Commission finding that “intangible items like opposition research can constitute a thing of value for purposes of campaign finance law.” > [@](#): > > The chair of the Federal Election Commission, Ellen Weintraub, tweeted the day after the transcript of Trump’s phone call was released last month that “the Commission has recognized the ‘broad scope’ of the foreign national contribution prohibition and found that even where the value of a good or service ‘may be nominal or difficult to ascertain,’ such contributions are nevertheless banned.” > [@](#): > > Former FEC senior counsel Dan Weiner says the question of whether intangibles such as opposition research is a thing of value is “fairly well-settled.” He says because the FEC is the agency charged with interpreting and administering federal campaign finance law, getting the agency involved in this question “is crucial.” Brendan Fischer, one of the people I quoted, is also somebody you quoted for the proposition that the FEC might not act on this. Not only did I accurately quote his opinion that Trump broke the law, the NPR article you’ve cited provides a link to another [article](https://campaignlegal.org/update/yes-president-trump-violated-campaign-finance-law-asking-ukraine-favor) he wrote where he unequivocally says so. It’s literally titled, "Yes, President Trump Violated Campaign Finance Law by Asking Ukraine for a “Favor” By Brendan Fischer and Erin Chlopak. So, while a President needs some latitude in discussing matters with foreign leaders, it is simply not true that damaging info/investigations on your opponent is one of those close calls where judgment can go either way. It is clear that it is outside the bounds, and I request a better cite if you want to continue to argue otherwise. As to your hypothetical: Where to draw the line? Well, a trade deal (which you mentioned) presumably has obvious benefits to the nation as a whole, or at least identifiable parts that are separate and distinct from the president’s personal ambitions. So, even if that type of political negotiations would benefit the President, it is not a circumstance where the president is seeking prioritizing personal aggrandizement. Creating, or promoting, a scandal against an opponent is entirely the opposite (especially since there are mechanisms to investigate law breaking by Americans that don’t involve the active furtherance by a foreign government). ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2683 "2019-10-14T20:10:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [OK](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21915652&postcount=1277) I would really prefer not to see such drive-by slaps. If you feel you must insult someone, do it at length in the Pit and don’t make it a key part of a thread in GD or Elections. Quoting myself for a bit more than three years ago in a similar circumstance: > [@](#): > > It has long been custom here to ‘invite someone to the Pit’ when one wishes to confront another poster with language and insults not suitable for Great Debates or other fora (though I’d be willing to bet the vast majority of such posts are in Great Debates). I have no wish to interfere with this custom. It provides a useful outlet and - hopefully - allows debates to continue without being sidetracked by invective. > > However… > > I can see a circumstance where such custom is exploited as a backdoor means of insulting other posters. Repeated instances of such or instances where the linked thread is nothing but an insult without further discussion could still be sanctionable by your friendly and tolerant moderators. The above examples do not constitute the entirety of posts on the subject that could result in notes or actions. If you find that vaguely defined then you are correct. I have no interest in trying to define bright lines here. > > In short, use it in good health but don’t be a jerk about it. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2684 "2019-10-14T20:13:22Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I mean, you either believe that this years old “scandal” wasn’t being investigated due to corruption, or you believe it wasn’t being investigated because there wasn’t enough evidence to even _launch_ an investigation. If you believe the former, you’re probably a Republican and you think Trump was just doing right by America. If you believe the latter, there’s really no reason to think evidence wouldn’t have to be manufactured to satisfy Trump’s demands. I don’t know if I’m a Democrat or a Republican anymore, either. I have voted for Reagan and Bush I, Perot, Bush II once, and Obama twice. I didn’t like either choice this last time, so I wrote in Bernie Sanders in honor of my mom, who was a huge supporter of his but died a few months before the election. I believe Trump’s motives were purely selfish and underhanded. I think he didn’t care if any evidence was true or false, as long as there was something he could point to and tweet about. I don’t believe there was any evidence to be had, so yes, to your point, any evidence he received would probably be manufactured. I can concede to your opinion that, like the quid pro quo, though it wasn’t stated in so many words, the inference was there. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2685 "2019-10-14T20:15:23Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > According to 538, for the first time ever, support for impeachment is now over 50%. That seems momentous. It is support in the Senate we need to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2686 "2019-10-14T20:17:05Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > … Oh, and it doesn’t matter in the least if Zelenskiy was unaware that the aid was being withheld. If Trump _intended_ to use it as a cudgel to make Zelenskiy do something, then that suffices. Of course it matters! That’s the shaky foundation for all these “Trump was acting like a mob enforcer” posts and reasoning. They all assume Zelensky knew that Trump was withholding the money (or Javelins in some tellings), and so Trump’s “I would like you to do us a favor” is supposed to have an ominous ring to Zelensky like a mobster’s “It’d be a shame if something happened”. If Zelensky doesn’t know that he’s being extorted (because he in fact is not), that perceived ominous tone evaporates. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2687 "2019-10-14T20:20:06Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > I didn’t like either choice this last time, so I wrote in Bernie Sanders in honor of my mom, who was a huge supporter of his but died a few months before the election. A sweet gesture that helped elect Donald Trump. Hope that was what she would have wanted. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2688 "2019-10-14T20:21:18Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It is support in the Senate we need to worry about. Chicken, egg. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2689 "2019-10-14T20:23:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Of course it matters! That’s the shaky foundation for all these “Trump was acting like a mob enforcer” posts and reasoning. They all assume Zelensky knew that Trump was withholding the money (or Javelins in some tellings), and so Trump’s “I would like you to do us a favor” is supposed to have an ominous ring to Zelensky like a mobster’s “It’d be a shame if something happened”. If Zelensky doesn’t know that he’s being extorted (because he in fact is not), that perceived ominous tone evaporates. Goons inside store: “This is a nice store, would be a shame if something happened to it!” Store owner: “Thank you! It sure is a nice store, and it sure would be a shame if something happened to it!” Goons: … Store owner: (Smiles like an idiot) End Scene ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2690 "2019-10-14T20:23:25Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Chicken, egg. You mean that Senators listen to their constituents? If voting could really change things, they wouldn’t let us do it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2691 "2019-10-14T20:25:05Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > You mean that Senators listen to their constituents? > If voting could really change things, they wouldn’t let us do it. It’s not like this hasn’t happened before… > **[It Took A Long Time For Republicans To Abandon Nixon](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it-took-a-long-time-for-republicans-to-abandon-nixon/)** > > On July 23, 1974, Rep. Lawrence Hogan, Sr., a Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, bought airtime on TV networks across his home state of Maryland. He h… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2692 "2019-10-14T20:31:04Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Goons inside store: “This is a nice store, would be a shame if something happened to it!” > > Store owner: “Thank you! It sure is a nice store, and it sure would be a shame if something happened to it!” > > Goons: … > > Store owner: (Smiles like an idiot) > > End Scene The scene is more like this: Goons inside store: “This is a nice store, would be a shame if something happened to it!” Store owner: Got it. Beat cop: Hey, store owner, did this guy threaten you? Goons: Yeah, store owner. Did I threaten you, or was this a perfect conversation we just had? Store owner: Er, no! No threat at all! Just a friendly conversation! I didn’t even know that guy had a can of gasoline sitting on the sidewalk out front. Everything’s fine! Goon fans: SEE? SEE? NO THREAT! NO QUID PRO QUO! Frankly, accepting Zelensky’s statement at face value is foolish, given Trump’s reputation and how he conducts foreign affairs. A small nation whose existence is threatened by Russia, and who’s already been invaded once, is going to do nothing whatsoever to piss off America’s most petulant politician. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2693 "2019-10-14T20:31:26Z")
OK, enough. This thread has created many reports from both sides today. Enough that I could either note or warn an arbitrarily large number of posters. Instead, I’m declaring this thread a ‘super secret double-probation courtesy zone’. You will all, regardless of your political persuasion, be on best behavior. No shots at other posters, no comments about other posters. No nothing except discussing the topic at hand. We’re gonna have this impeachment thing for a while. I’d prefer that it NOT become a flaming wreck of trains. I hope that’s clear to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2694 "2019-10-14T20:32:02Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I would really prefer not to see such drive-by slaps. If you feel you must insult someone, do it at length in the Pit and don’t make it a key part of a thread in GD or Elections. > > Quoting myself for a bit more than three years ago in a similar circumstance: Understood. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2695 "2019-10-14T20:32:31Z")
Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2696 "2019-10-14T21:04:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Of course it matters! That’s the shaky foundation for all these “Trump was acting like a mob enforcer” posts and reasoning. They all assume Zelensky knew that Trump was withholding the money (or Javelins in some tellings), and so Trump’s “I would like you to do us a favor” is supposed to have an ominous ring to Zelensky like a mobster’s “It’d be a shame if something happened”. If Zelensky doesn’t know that he’s being extorted (because he in fact is not), that perceived ominous tone evaporates. It defies any reasonable logic to think that Zelensky did not know that Trump wanted certain things from him. The key to realize is that this call is not the first time these sides have discussed this, even if, perhaps, this is the first time that Trump and Zelensky discussed this. For months, Giuliani and his people had been traveling to Ukraine or promoting the Ukraine corruption story, to the point that there’s [reporting](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-26/guiliani-s-kyiv-outreach-flummoxed-diplomats-whistleblower-says) that US officials were trying to undo the confusion regarding US foreign policy that Rudy was creating. > [@](#): > > U.S. officials were alarmed by Giuliani’s efforts, some of which emerged in news reports. “Starting in mid-May, I heard from multiple U.S. officials that they were deeply concerned by what they viewed as Mr. Giuliani’s circumvention of national security decision making processes to engage with Ukrainian officials and relay messages back and forth between Kyiv and the president,” the whistleblower wrote. > Kurt Volker, the U.S. special representative for Ukraine, and Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, spoke with Giuliani during this time to “contain the damage” to national security, the whistleblower says. > They then met with members of the Ukrainian president’s team to help them “understand and respond to the differing messages they were receiving from official U.S. channels on the one hand and from Mr. Giuliani on the other,” the complaint says. Hell, [contemporary reporting](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/he-once-played-ukraines-president-on-tv-now-he-just-took-office-as-the-real-one/2019/05/20/594c6322-77e5-11e9-a7bf-c8a43b84ee31_story.html) from the date of Zelensky’s inauguration makes this clear. > [@](#): > > Although the United States has backed Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, allies of President Trump have lashed out at Zelensky in recent weeks. Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, has urged Ukrainian authorities to investigate the activities of former vice president Joe Biden in Ukraine. There is no evidence of improper conduct by Biden. > > Zelensky’s team, however, has hesitated to get involved in what some advisers view as a U.S. domestic political battle. Giuliani referred to those Zelensky advisers as “enemies” of Trump in a Twitter posting on Saturday. So you are being too narrow in your focus if all you’ll do is look at this one phone conversation for evidence that there was some sort of negotiation going on. The groundwork for the precious quid pro quo had already been set long ago. It was painfully obvious what Trump wanted, and Zelensky had to know - when Trump said he wanted him to talk to Giuliani, and specifically mentioned Hunter Biden - that this related to the fact that, for months, Giuliani had been working this Biden corruption angle. To use the shop/mobster analogy, it’d be like if the mobster’s goon, Fat Tony, had been coming around the shop for months saying, directly, “you better start paying if you don’t want your shop to get destroyed”. Then, one day, the mobster finally strolls in and casually says, “Nice shop. I sure hope it don’t get destroyed. You should talk to my boy Tony about that.” You’d have to be willfully ignorant not to know what he means. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2697 "2019-10-14T21:14:38Z")
**Moriarty** , thank you for your well-reasoned post #2681. I read the cited NPR article and arrived at identical refutations, although I wouldn’t have said them as eloquently. Then I thought of something important I needed to do today (get my farm machinery winterized), and that took precedence over crafting a response. The answer is right in **Ditka** ’s first cherry-picked quote from the article: “The Department of Justice doesn’t think so.” Let’s not forget that this DOJ takes the position that a president is not subject to prosecution, only impeachment – which renders impeachment the only discussion of importance. Discussing criminal offenses, as Ditka wants us to do, is a waste of time – even though probable cause exists to believe Trump has committed criminal offenses. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2698 "2019-10-14T21:29:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Of course it matters! That’s the shaky foundation for all these “Trump was acting like a mob enforcer” posts and reasoning. They all assume Zelensky knew that Trump was withholding the money (or Javelins in some tellings), and so Trump’s “I would like you to do us a favor” is supposed to have an ominous ring to Zelensky like a mobster’s “It’d be a shame if something happened”. If Zelensky doesn’t know that he’s being extorted (because he in fact is not), that perceived ominous tone evaporates. **HD** ,even taking the background of $391 million aid package off the table, and charitably assuming it was being withheld by Trump for nebulous “corruption” reasons completely separate from the contents of the phone call, we’re _still_ left with the president putting the brakes on a $39 million dollar Javelin purchase, and a veiled threat to the Ukraine that the current “non-reciprocal” nature of the relationship may cause the US to stop being so “very, very good” to it, all to investigate conspiracy theories about Joe Biden and the DNC, and to work with his personal lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2699 "2019-10-14T21:53:33Z")
Isn’t the withholding of funds _authorized by Congress_ by itself a problem, with or without the quid pro quo? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/2700 "2019-10-14T22:09:28Z")
It has been noted before, and should be noted again, that the proper avenue for investigating crime and corruption is to utilize US government law enforcement and investigative agencies. There’s no possible legitimate reason for a US government official, especially the President, to skip this step and ask a foreign government to do it. Especially if the target of the proposed investigation is a political opponent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=134) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=136)