# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/301 "2019-09-25T18:45:13Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Watching Trump and a couple Republicans on Fox, it appears they’re going to play the “Democrats are wasting time and blocking important legislation on gun control, infrastructure, and drug prices.” When the Senate acquits they are going to go fucking nuts about his “innocence.” We are truly fucked. This was an impetuous move that changes nothing regarding the investigation, but opens us up to look like idiots. Stockholm Syndrome ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/302 "2019-09-25T18:45:41Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > …This was an impetuous move that changes nothing regarding the investigation, but opens us up to look like idiots. Who is “us”? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/303 "2019-09-25T18:46:04Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Watching Trump and a couple Republicans on Fox, it appears they’re going to play the “Democrats are wasting time and blocking important legislation on gun control, infrastructure, and drug prices.” When the Senate acquits they are going to go fucking nuts about his “innocence.” We are truly fucked. This was an impetuous move that changes nothing regarding the investigation, but opens us up to look like idiots. Newsflash: Americans have looked like idiots for quite some time now. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/304 "2019-09-25T18:46:23Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump is speaking. > > Guys, he’s just too emotional to hold office. > > LOL, he ended his co-statement with Zelensky by declaring Pelosi is no longer Speaker of the House. (Trump said this, not Zelensky.) > > [https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1176928777886162944?s=20](https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1176928777886162944?s=20) > > “Nancy Pelosi, as far as I’m concerned, unfortunately, she’s no longer the Speaker of the House” (Zelensky hangs up. Asks his interpreter): “Can he do that?” (Interpreter shrugs) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/305 "2019-09-25T18:47:07Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Watching Trump and a couple Republicans on Fox, it appears they’re going to play the “Democrats are wasting time and blocking important legislation on gun control, infrastructure, and drug prices.” When the Senate acquits they are going to go fucking nuts about his “innocence.” We are truly fucked. This was an impetuous move that changes nothing regarding the investigation, but opens us up to look like idiots. Ok, like what? Their M4A bill? :smack: Gun control legislation? :eek: Planned Parenthood support? 😕😕😕 What a stupid strategy: “Hey, I’m not going to propose legislation which you people hate unless y’all stop hating me!” The art of the deal, indeed, Kid! Lol, “Well, dadgum, I was JUST ABOUT to roll out comprehensive gun reform and M4A, and then those durned Democrats just went all up and ruint my plans, dagnabbit, yessirree!!!” Kid… really? You think anybody except the already converted will believe that? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/306 "2019-09-25T18:49:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The redacted (…) sections are about the $140 million. I’d bet next months mortgage on that\*. > > \*Disclaimer: Not a betting man. Can’t link to cite, but a WH official has claimed there were no redactions and the ellipses indicate that the speaker’s voice trailed off at those points. Also, Susan Collins is apparently “not commenting”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/307 "2019-09-25T18:50:06Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > You are every Democrat running for President and I claim my five pounds. Huh? Surely you recognized that as sarcasm. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/308 "2019-09-25T18:51:00Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I would like to note that in this call the bribery goes both ways: > > 1. Trump received a bribe by the Ukrainian President stating he stays at Trump properties. … I don’t think that’s “bribery” anymore than some foreign leader telling Obama “I buy all your books” would be. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/309 "2019-09-25T18:51:54Z")
Lol, the “THE GOP OF MERRICK GARLAND WILL NO LONGER WORK WITH THE DEMS IF THEY PROCEED ON IMPEACHMENT” is a strategy only 40% of the country is consistently stupid enough to fall for as we can see by Trump’s constant 38%. However, on my side, we have the “DON’T IMPEACH ON THE ELECTION INTERFERENCE WHICH GOT US TO DONALD TRUMP AS WE JUST NEED TO WAIT FOR THE 2020 ELECTIONS WHICH ARE GOING TO BE TOTALLY INTERFERENCE FREE (sorry, Joe Biden) AND ABOVE-BOARD THIS TIME, YESSIRREE!!” crowd, so, in the end, it all evens out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/310 "2019-09-25T18:52:54Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t think that’s “bribery” anymore than some foreign leader telling Obama “I buy all your books” would be. You may be right. It goes to emoluments, which are also spelled out in the Constitution. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/311 "2019-09-25T18:53:47Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Huh? Surely you recognized that as sarcasm. 😕 You are quite correctly asserting that everything shouldn’t be free. My joke is (and humor is based on exagerration often) that is exactly what democratic candidates are offering. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/312 "2019-09-25T18:55:34Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > You may be right. It goes to emoluments, which are also spelled out in the Constitution. > > Thanks! It also wasn’t an emoluments clause violation if some foreign leader bought Obama’s books either. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/313 "2019-09-25T18:58:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It also wasn’t an emoluments clause violation if some foreign leader bought Obama’s books either. But by God it sure would be an impeachable offense if he (Zelensky) mentioned it on a call where Obama was holding up $250 million of Congressionally Authorized funds and Obama asking him to investigate Mitch Romney’s kid… and then slipping an extra $140 million his way a week after the phone call, wouldn’t it, HD? Especially if Obama didn’t respond “Hey, that’s not right.” or “Hey, that’s against American Law and Custom.” or “Yo, I don’t play that game, my man” or something, right? If Obama did _that_… and sent out a memorandum saying he did all the above … isn’t that impeachable? 😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/314 "2019-09-25T18:58:26Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > … as we can see by Trump’s constant 38%. … He’s at [43%](https://fivethirtyeight.com) or [44.9% job approval](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html), depending on who you choose to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/315 "2019-09-25T19:01:27Z")
Acting DNI Maguire is scheduled to testify to Congress tomorrow. He threatened to resign if the WH pressured him to withhold his testimony. > > > Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 Also, Devin Nunes says the Intel Committee will get the whistleblower’s report today by 4:00. But it’s Nunes, so I want to see another source for that. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/316 "2019-09-25T19:02:07Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Can’t link to cite, but a WH official has claimed there were no redactions and the ellipses indicate that the speaker’s voice trailed off at those points. > > Also, Susan Collins is apparently “not commenting”. This from the same people who took a sharpie to a weather map. Just reminding. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/317 "2019-09-25T19:02:09Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > But by God it sure would be an impeachable offence on if he mentioned it on a call where Obama was holding up $250 million of Congressionally Authorized funds and Obama asking him to investigate Mitch Romney’s kid… and then slipping an extra $140 million his way a week after the phone call, wouldn’t it, HD? Especially if Obama didn’t reply “Hey, that’s not right.” or “Hey, that’s against American Law and Custom.” or something, right? > > If Obama did _that_… and sent out a memorandum saying so… isn’t that impeachable? > > 😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕 AFAICT President Trump never “mentioned it on a call” that he was withholding aid until Ukraine did what he wanted. Certainly nothing like “If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.” Please tell me you understand at least that much. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/318 "2019-09-25T19:03:16Z")
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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/319 "2019-09-25T19:04:24Z")
[Acting director of national intelligence threatened to resign if he couldn’t speak freely before Congress on whistleblower complaint](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-director-of-national-intelligence-threatened-to-resign-if-he-couldnt-speak-freely-before-congress/2019/09/25/b1deb71e-dfbf-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/320 "2019-09-25T19:04:31Z")
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