# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 172
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3421 "2019-10-29T17:36:31Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > There are plenty more examples of people calling attention to the apparent wrongs being committed by the Trump administration to many different departments and officials. I cannot understand how NOT ONE of those channels believed it was worth investigating or how they kept it quiet for so long. I wonder if any of these people who ignored warnings, complaints, and red flags will be investigated and called to answer for their willful blindness. I think it just shows that going up any ladder in this administration will inevitably lead to a crook. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3422 "2019-10-29T17:41:43Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Alexander Vindman said: > Fiona Hill: > From the Washington Post: > From a Washington Post timeline of the whistleblower complaint: > > John Yarmuth of the House Committee of the Budget and Nita Lowey of the House Committee of Appropriations sent a letter dated September 27, 2019 that stated: > > There are plenty more examples of people calling attention to the apparent wrongs being committed by the Trump administration to many different departments and officials. I cannot understand how NOT ONE of those channels believed it was worth investigating or how they kept it quiet for so long. I wonder if any of these people who ignored warnings, complaints, and red flags will be investigated and called to answer for their willful blindness. So it wasn’t a lone whistleblower doing his duty…it was a veritable Mormon Tabernacle Choir of whistles being blown. And being ignored, until it got to House Intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3423 "2019-10-29T17:52:52Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I’ll admit all three in an instant. > > Respectfully, that has been the goalpost since at least October 1. See my [POST=21892045]post #1446[/POST], which reads in part: > > ~Max I think you missed my point. My point wasn’t to get you to admit that the president is inept. My point is that someone who has no other indicators of even _trying_ to do his job well and in an ethical manner should not get this much of a benefit of the doubt when an ethical complaint arises. Sure, give him a trial in the senate where he has a presumption of innocence, but at this stage? Come the fuck on. He didn’t even _try_ to make this look like official state business. He didn’t even _try_ to make sure this was legal and/or ethical. Everything we’ve seen so far looks exactly like someone doing something shady and getting caught. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3424 "2019-10-29T18:13:11Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I think both conspiracy theories are a waste of time and fall apart under scrutiny, but Mr. Trump plausibly made the call as a matter of foreign policy. Maybe you want to try and prove that Mr. Trump has common sense and knows conspiracy theories, ubiquitous in my local media, hold no water. > > If the House wants to impeach Mr. Trump over that, they will have to convince themselves that Mr. Trump knew the conspiracy theories were baseless. That he isn’t a gullible fool, but a calculating mafioso intent on abusing his authority to put down his opponents. Trump will be out there making himself out to be a conspiracy-spouting fool, either because he really is one, or because the alternative is to be impeached. > > You don’t impeach the president if he is unfit for office, you impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanors. Remember that. Ah, the old “\*It’s not really murder if I thought they were secret Illuminati Lizard-people. Prove me wrong! \*” defense. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3425 "2019-10-29T18:13:53Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I think you missed my point. My point wasn’t to get you to admit that the president is inept. My point is that someone who has no other indicators of even _trying_ to do his job well and in an ethical manner should not get this much of a benefit of the doubt when an ethical complaint arises. Sure, give him a trial in the senate where he has a presumption of innocence, but at this stage? Come the fuck on. He didn’t even _try_ to make this look like official state business. He didn’t even _try_ to make sure this was legal and/or ethical. Everything we’ve seen so far looks exactly like someone doing something shady and getting caught. Right, I don’t personally give Mr. Trump the benefit of the doubt and I think all three of your accusations are well-founded. If the House voted on articles of impeachment right now, and I were a representative, I would very likely vote for impeachment of the President because that presumption of innocence is not borne out by evidence. But neither does any evidence yet prove the President is worthy of conviction. So if I were a Senator forced to vote guilty or not guilty right now, I would vote not guilty. If I were a representative, I would prefer to hold off the impeachment vote until we build a more complete case, until we rule out the possibility of innocence. **Max S.** the representative is not interested in sending articles of impeachment to the Senate that are doomed to fail, especially when the House can so easily eliminate the possibility of innocence. It would only take a few well-placed questions to law enforcement officials. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3426 "2019-10-29T18:27:53Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > I’m wondering if Vindman might be one of the whistleblower’s sources. You don’t need a Vindman to know which way the whistle blows. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3427 "2019-10-29T18:34:30Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > You don’t need a Vindman to know which way the whistle blows. Brilliant!! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3428 "2019-10-29T18:51:30Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The Democrats announced that the I[ntel committee](https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/29/gop-strategy-impeachment-060938)will be in charge of public hearings. This locks out Trump’s biggest cheerleaders in the GOP (Jordan, Meadows and Zeldin) and puts the committee with the fewest number of GOP members in charge at 9. And 2 of those 9 (Turner and Hurd) have already expressed concern with Trump’s actions. > > The right wing talking point seems to be that Vindman was born in Ukraine and therefore his loyalty to the US is questionable. Multiple people have brought that up now on various news shows, so apparently this was the coordinated best response they could come up with. Right wing Congressman Mark Meadows was born in France. Is his first loyalty to France? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3429 "2019-10-29T18:54:01Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > Ah, the old “\*It’s not really murder if I thought they were secret Illuminati Lizard-people. Prove me wrong! \*” defense. I think “secret Illuminati Lizard-people” is a little bit over the top, but basically, yeah. If a cop makes a warrantless arrest based on immediate probable cause, and then it turns out that the probable cause is baseless, the cop is not going to be reprimanded unless he _should have known_ that probable cause was baseless at the time of the arrest. Let’s say an officer approaches a suspect’s home late at night and is shot and killed on the spot. The officer did not identify himself, approached during the dead of night, his squad car and lights were out of sight and sirens off, allegedly did not respond to defendant’s verbal warnings, was dressed in dark clothes, etc. Defendant claims that he killed the officer in an act of self defense (if such a defense is legal as it is here), because he thought the officer was a burglar or rapist or something. If a reasonable person in the same situation as the suspect, with the same limited information, could come to the same conclusion, the suspect will go free. Now let’s say Ukraine and Russia have some bad actors who actually do want to subvert the U.S. political process. Some of these actors have or had positions of power in Ukraine. They build up circles of influence and draw semi-prominent Americans in, such as Gen. Flynn, Mr. Manafort, Mr. Giuliani, and a whole bunch of others that we’ll never hear about. Mr. Trump wins the presidency, Gen. Flynn is kicked out, the Mueller investigation goes down and takes Manafort with it, but now Mr. Giuliani is very close to the president. So Ukrainian sources start feeding him (and others) false leads about Crowdstrike and Burisma. Now you have two conspiracy theories, and one person close to the president who _thinks_ they are credible. The theories make it to the news and now thousands of Americans think they are credible. The President sees this on the news and calls up Rudy, why didn’t you tell me you know about all this stuff, you get together with Barr and get to the bottom of this. Barr opens an investigation based on tips from Rudy’s sources or news reports or whatever, tells the President we need evidence from Ukraine. President says, what’s the problem? Barr says Ukraine has a history of not keeping promises to investigate, is generally corrupt. President says he’ll take care of it, fires the ambassador who he never liked, and tells Mr. Pompeo, who sends Mr. Sondland to the White House. Trump tells him that he wants Ukraine to agree to investigations before they meet face to face. He also cuts military aid because if Ukraine is too corrupt to cooperate, why should we cooperate with them? Bolten and Volker are blindsided because Trump didn’t tell them what’s going on and it looks awfully shady. Volker bites his tongue, Bolten gets fired. Meanwhile Pompeo recruits Mr. Taylor, but before he fully realizes what’s going on the Presidents have a phone call and Giuliani is out on back-channel missions. A whistleblower report surfaces, the IG says it’s credible, DoJ says no crime committed, and then Adam Schiff gets it and says we have a problem. I sure can speculate, can’t I? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3430 "2019-10-29T19:08:05Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I think “secret Illuminati Lizard-people” is a little bit over the top, but basically, yeah. > > If a cop makes a warrantless arrest based on immediate probable cause, and then it turns out that the probable cause is baseless, the cop is not going to be reprimanded unless he _should have known_ that probable cause was baseless at the time of the arrest. > > Let’s say an officer approaches a suspect’s home late at night and is shot and killed on the spot. The officer did not identify himself, approached during the dead of night, his squad car and lights were out of sight and sirens off, allegedly did not respond to defendant’s verbal warnings, was dressed in dark clothes, etc. Defendant claims that he killed the officer in an act of self defense (if such a defense is legal as it is here), because he thought the officer was a burglar or rapist or something. If a reasonable person in the same situation as the suspect, with the same limited information, could come to the same conclusion, the suspect will go free. > > Now let’s say Ukraine and Russia have some bad actors who actually do want to subvert the U.S. political process. Some of these actors have or had positions of power in Ukraine. They build up circles of influence and draw semi-prominent Americans in, such as Gen. Flynn, Mr. Manafort, Mr. Giuliani, and a whole bunch of others that we’ll never hear about. Mr. Trump wins the presidency, Gen. Flynn is kicked out, the Mueller investigation goes down and takes Manafort with it, but now Mr. Giuliani is very close to the president. So Ukrainian sources start feeding him (and others) false leads about Crowdstrike and Burisma. Now you have two conspiracy theories, and one person close to the president who _thinks_ they are credible. The theories make it to the news and now thousands of Americans think they are credible. The President sees this on the news and calls up Rudy, why didn’t you tell me you know about all this stuff, you get together with Barr and get to the bottom of this. Barr opens an investigation based on tips from Rudy’s sources or news reports or whatever, tells the President we need evidence from Ukraine. President says, what’s the problem? Barr says Ukraine has a history of not keeping promises to investigate, is generally corrupt. President says he’ll take care of it, fires the ambassador who he never liked, and tells Mr. Pompeo, who sends Mr. Sondland to the White House. Trump tells him that he wants Ukraine to agree to investigations before they meet face to face. He also cuts military aid because if Ukraine is too corrupt to cooperate, why should we cooperate with them? Bolten and Volker are blindsided because Trump didn’t tell them what’s going on and it looks awfully shady. Volker bites his tongue, Bolten gets fired. Meanwhile Pompeo recruits Mr. Taylor, but before he fully realizes what’s going on the Presidents have a phone call and Giuliani is out on back-channel missions. A whistleblower report surfaces, the IG says it’s credible, DoJ says no crime committed, and then Adam Schiff gets it and says we have a problem. > > I sure can speculate, can’t I? > > ~Max What’s the connecting tissue between Rudy Giuliani, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn? One would have to imagine that Russia-aligned Ukrainian separatist allied Americans would be relatively thin on the ground and difficult to randomly and by happenstance come into contact with, befriend, and work with all while being completely unaware of that aspect of their daily lives. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3431 "2019-10-29T19:21:48Z")
> [@Running\_with\_Scissors](#): > > I’m actually disappointed that they decided to take a vote. They’re basically caving in to the Pubbies. Maybe there is precedent for taking a vote, but there have been so few impeachment inquiries that it’s certainly not a strong precedent. Plus, pretty much everything that this President does is unprecedented (see what I did there?) that doing something unprecedented is the way to go. I’ve believed all along that the GOP whining about “secret hearings” was a serious misstep on their part. Once the hearings go public the committee will likely be recalling people who have already testified in private to repeat their testimony in public, televised hearings. There will clearly be Republicans asking questions so that complaint will be shown to be the big fat lie it has been all along. Recalling Fiona Hill and Col. Vindman to testify in public is pretty much a guarantee. Calling Bolton to corroborate their version of events will go very poorly for the GOP. Sondlund undoubtedly committed perjury so that’s going to be an issue. Taking this step is in no way “caving” to the GOP, it was always going to happen. I trust Pelosi as a strategist more than anyone on the GOP side of things. Note - Scalise and Jordan were just on television whining that the resolution is just as unfair as the “secret” hearings that have been going on. They are lying scum who should be voted out of office at the next election. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3432 "2019-10-29T19:32:13Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The thing is, Republican politicians KNOW this is bullshit. But they pile it up confident their moron base does not know it is bullshit. I think they have every reason to be confident in that regard. The question they should be asking however is what effect this is having outside their base. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3433 "2019-10-29T19:53:57Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > If a cop makes a warrantless arrest based on immediate probable cause, and then it turns out that the probable cause is baseless, the cop is not going to be reprimanded unless he _should have known_ that probable cause was baseless at the time of the arrest. I think there is a substantial difference between not reprimanding a cop unless: 1. they _should have known_ that probable cause was baseless. 2. It is _proven that they knew_ that probable cause was baseless. There is a significant difference in burden of proof between these two. You appear to be holding the cop to standard #1, where a gullible cop with a prexisting grudge against a pizza parlor owner is not allowed to just barge down the restaurant door because he saw some “anonymous tips” about [human trafficking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory) on an internet forum. Based on post #1446, you appear only hold Trump to standard #2. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3434 "2019-10-29T20:05:18Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > What’s the connecting tissue between Rudy Giuliani, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn? Strike Flynn out, that was a mistake. Just Giuliani and Manafort. Mr. Giuliani through two Ukrainian-born associates. Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested “on criminal charges stemming from their alleged efforts to funnel foreign money into U.S. elections and influence U.S. politics on behalf of at least one unnamed Ukrainian politician” (Viswanatha et. al, 2019). I don’t know where Mr. Giuliani sources his accusations against Burisma or about Crowdstrike, but I am guessing it comes from somewhere in Ukraine or Russia. Mr. Manafort through ten years of direct dealings with and lobbying on behalf of Viktor Yanukovych and the Party of Regions. It is then alleged that his Ukrainian friends called on him to arrange the Trump Tower meeting, that he met with a KGB agent, etc. Viswanatha, A., Ballhaus, R., Gurman, S., & Tau, B. (2019, October 10). Two Giuliani Associates Who Helped Him on Ukraine Charged With Campaign-Finance Violations. _The Wall Street Journal_. Retrieved October 29, 2019 from [https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188](https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188) > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > One would have to imagine that Russia-aligned Ukrainian separatist allied Americans would be relatively thin on the ground and difficult to randomly and by happenstance come into contact with, befriend, and work with all while being completely unaware of that aspect of their daily lives. Paul Manafort definitely knew he was dealing with Russia-aligned Ukrainian-separatist-allied people. I’m willing to entertain the possibility that Mr. Giuliani is just clueless. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3435 "2019-10-29T20:09:26Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > [Trump] also seems to think that Hunter Biden may have done something contrary to Ukrainian or U.S. law. Assuming the worst, that rogue elements in Ukraine interfered and may again interfere with the U.S. election and that Joe Biden’s family has corrupt ties to Ukraine, it almost makes sense not to sell Ukraine a bunch of missiles until they crack down on this stuff. > > I think both conspiracy theories are a waste of time and fall apart under scrutiny, but Mr. Trump plausibly made the call as a matter of foreign policy. So let’s see: if the President is totally delusional, dreams shit up without any evidence behind it, and has no U.S. agency even try to investigate his delusions to confirm or contradict them, and he threatens to toss Ukraine over to the Russians unless _they_ investigate his delusion - so what you’re really saying is this is 25th Amendment shit, not impeachment shit, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3436 "2019-10-29T20:09:26Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > I think there is a substantial difference between not reprimanding a cop unless: > > 1. they _should have known_ that probable cause was baseless. > 2. It is _proven that they knew_ that probable cause was baseless. > > There is a significant difference in burden of proof between these two. > > You appear to be holding the cop to standard #1, where a gullible cop with a prexisting grudge against a pizza parlor owner is not allowed to just barge down the restaurant door because he saw some “anonymous tips” about [human trafficking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory) on an internet forum. > > Based on post #1446, you appear only hold Trump to standard #2. No, my standard for Mr. Trump is “it is _proven that he should have known_ that the accusations against the DNC/Crowdstrike and Hunter Biden/Burisma Holdings were baseless.” Indeed, I hold the cop to the same standard: “it is _proven that they should have known_ that probable cause was baseless”. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3437 "2019-10-29T20:13:06Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > No, my standard for Mr. Trump is “it is _proven that he should have known_ that the accusations against the DNC/Crowdstrike and Hunter Biden/Burisma Holdings were baseless.” That’s been proven into the ground. There **never was a base** for these allegations, so assuming he can tell a hawk from a handsaw, he should have known they were baseless. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3438 "2019-10-29T20:15:35Z")
I swear we did this lots of pages ago. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3439 "2019-10-29T20:31:28Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So let’s see: if the President is totally delusional, dreams shit up without any evidence behind it, and has no U.S. agency even try to investigate his delusions to confirm or contradict them, and he threatens to toss Ukraine over to the Russians unless _they_ investigate his delusion - so what you’re really saying is this is 25th Amendment shit, not impeachment shit, amirite? … I think so, yeah. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/3440 "2019-10-29T20:36:10Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I swear we did this lots of pages ago. 😕 Very well. We shall resume in an hour. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=171) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=173)