# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 212
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4221 "2019-11-13T18:00:48Z")
This lawyer guy for the GOP is a total weasel and is asking the most vague irrelevant questions I’ve ever heard a lawyer ask. “Are there unresolved issues from the run-up to the 2016 election?” That’s the question you want to ask, really? What possible meaningful answer can he give? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4222 "2019-11-13T18:01:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > As do I. It’s like you guys already forgot (or never learned in the first place) the lessons of impeachment from a couple of decades ago. I am shocked that you are not troubled by that Ukraine conversation. I laughed as hard as you did when the Democrats tried to make hay out of the suspicion that the Russians handed Trump damning evidence of how the DNC was playing favorites; helping Hillary cheat during the primary debates; transcripts of Hillary saying stuff that contradicts her comments regarding banks and immigration, etc. But this is apparent quid pro quo in implementing foreign policy. I thought you would draw the line there. That seems to be in a different category than lying under oath about a blowjob. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4223 "2019-11-13T18:03:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why not just say whoever wins in California wins the presidency. I’m listening… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4224 "2019-11-13T18:04:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > But this is apparent quid pro quo in implementing foreign policy. I thought you would draw the line there. NB: you quoted a post from two months ago. Coincidentally, he dropped out of this thread when the administration admitted there was quid pro quo. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4225 "2019-11-13T18:08:31Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Despite what you may have heard, the Mueller Report detailed a ton of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. > > [Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion”](https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/) None of that stuff even approaches what seems to have happened with Ukraine. That other stuff just looks like Democrats complaining that Russia helped Trump catch Hillary and the DNC with it’s hand in the cookie jar. The focus is correctly directed at the DNC shenanigans and not who uncovered them. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4226 "2019-11-13T18:09:34Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > [NRA Reportedly $10.8 Million in Debt, Spending Under Scrutiny](https://www.thedailybeast.com/nra-reportedly-nearly-dollar11-million-in-debt-spending-under-scrutiny) > > The NRA and money have some problems. OK. So? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4227 "2019-11-13T18:10:59Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > NB: you quoted a post from two months ago. Coincidentally, he dropped out of this thread when the administration admitted there was quid pro quo. Did he at least admit that there were real problems that should be looked into? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4228 "2019-11-13T18:19:31Z")
This gop lawyer is a joke. “This irregular channel of diplomacy with the Ukraine isn’t as outlandish as it could be, correct?” ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4229 "2019-11-13T18:22:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Did he at least admit that there were real problems that should be looked into? Of course not. He got warnings for doing his usual schtick and left in a huff. At least, that’s how i remember it. Im not gonna go back and look. Apologies if im thinking of a different thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4230 "2019-11-13T18:23:38Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > None of that stuff even approaches what seems to have happened with Ukraine. > > That other stuff just looks like Democrats complaining that Russia helped Trump catch Hillary and the DNC with it’s hand in the cookie jar. The focus is correctly directed at the DNC shenanigans and not who uncovered them. Haha. Your unique take on this kind of thing is always amusing. Being unconstrained by reality certainly allows you to let that freak flag fly. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4231 "2019-11-13T18:29:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Did he at least admit that there were real problems that should be looked into? > [@snfaulkner](#): > > Of course not. He got warnings for doing his usual schtick and left in a huff. There were warnings but I don’t remember if any were toward him. At any rate, after those warnings were issued, he announced in an ATMB thread that he had left this one. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4232 "2019-11-13T18:33:03Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > There were warnings but I don’t remember if any were toward him. At any rate, after those warnings were issued, he announced in an ATMB thread that he had left this one. In his defense, it’s not a thread directly about gun ownership, so he probably got bored. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4233 "2019-11-13T18:56:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > None of that stuff even approaches what seems to have happened with Ukraine. Maybe. But it’s at least comparable to what Nixon did (i.e. stole documents from the DNC). ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4234 "2019-11-13T18:59:24Z")
I’m wondering–given that this thread is already 85 pages long, and that we’re entering a new phase (the public testimony phase), would it make sense to lock this thread and start a new one? Easier for people to keep up. If/when the process moves to yet another phase–say, the Senate trial–it would be a good time to start yet another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4235 "2019-11-13T19:02:37Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > This gop lawyer is a joke. “This irregular channel of diplomacy with the Ukraine isn’t as outlandish as it could be, correct?” This is why I could never testify. Because my response would have been, “Well, he could have been wearing a clown nose and assless chaps at the time.” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4236 "2019-11-13T19:04:00Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m wondering–given that this thread is already 85 pages long, and that we’re entering a new phase (the public testimony phase), would it make sense to lock this thread and start a new one? Easier for people to keep up. > > If/when the process moves to yet another phase–say, the Senate trial–it would be a good time to start yet another thread. Should I respond to posts in the new thread then? There’s a bunch I haven’t gotten to. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4237 "2019-11-13T19:07:36Z")
I don’t understand the Republican line of questioning. “Ukraine is corrupt, amirite?” Yeah, so what? ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4238 "2019-11-13T19:10:32Z")
Wow Jim Jordan… “since the aid was released without an investigation, you were wrong about that!” OR THEY GOT CAUGHT, duh. You claimed the bank robber said he’d shoot if he didn’t get the money right? But he didn’t shoot! So you’re wrong!! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4239 "2019-11-13T19:12:42Z")
The line that Trump wasn’t trying to end corruption in Ukraine, but aim it at a political adversary (paraphrasing) was a good one. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4240 "2019-11-13T19:15:34Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Maybe. But it’s at least comparable to what Nixon did (i.e. stole documents from the DNC). As well as the obstruction of Justice. The two main differences that I see between Nixon and Trump is that under Nixon, intrusion was caught before they could plant the bugs, and the the break in was done by freelance ex-Cubans instead of Russians agents. I somehow doubt that if these differences were reversed, it would have gone well of Nixon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=211) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=213)