# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 245
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4881 "2019-11-16T22:22:27Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I’ll keep my comments to myself. I wish I were a better person, but I’m not. It is depressing that it’s more likely that Trump keels over from a heart attack than that the government of the United States of America can figure out how to get rid of a con artist from the office of the President. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4882 "2019-11-16T22:31:01Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > Seriously? > > That you ask for “evidence” is startling to me. Or do you define “evidence” as absolute irrefutable proof, a smoking gun? > > Do you honestly see no **evidence** that she was fired for a corrupt purpose? Hahaha I can’t believe you actually asked this question. A recording of Trump saying that we need to fire Yovanovitch because she won’t let us pressure Ukraine into starting an investigation wouldn’t be enough evidence for the banana Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4883 "2019-11-16T22:35:42Z")
Interestingly, neither CNN nor MSNBC are reporting the hospital trip. Maybe it’s an unfounded rumor? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4884 "2019-11-16T22:39:20Z")
[CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/politics/trump-annual-physical-walter-reed/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4885 "2019-11-16T22:42:31Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Interestingly, neither CNN nor MSNBC are reporting the hospital trip. Maybe it’s an unfounded rumor? Well, I hope that gets the CNN reporter in trouble if he tweeted an unsubstantiated rumor. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4886 "2019-11-16T22:50:42Z")
It’s not unsubstantiated. The White House confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4887 "2019-11-16T22:52:50Z")
This could be it. I’m still waiting for an announcement from any decent neurologist saying, “Yes, the brain tumor is at least 40% of his brain size has affected his capability from telling the truth for at least 30 years…” That or, “See what the Democrats did? They made me sick! Hillary made the poison!” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4888 "2019-11-16T22:53:39Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > It’s not unsubstantiated. The White House confirmed. Oh. Linking to something that said that would have avoided sone confusion. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4889 "2019-11-16T22:53:50Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/politics/trump-annual-physical-walter-reed/index.html) Okay. When I looked on TV they weren’t talking about it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4890 "2019-11-16T22:55:24Z")
My link contained a quote from the White House. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4891 "2019-11-16T22:55:34Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > … the most likely conclusion - that her firing relates to Rudy’s corrupt dealings - can’t be so easily dismissed. Without any evidence to support it, it sure can be (easily dismissed). Your nifty hypothetical is just that: a hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4892 "2019-11-16T22:55:45Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > This could be it. I’m still waiting for an announcement from any decent neurologist saying, “Yes, the brain tumor is at least 40% of his brain size has affected his capability from telling the truth for at least 30 years…” > > That or, “See what the Democrats did? They made me sick! Hillary made the poison!” It is better to keep some thoughts to yourself rather than risk giving anyone any ideas. I do not relish the idea of a second civil war. And, particularly, not over something stupid and false. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4893 "2019-11-16T23:03:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Without any evidence to support it, it sure can be (easily dismissed). Your nifty hypothetical is just that: a hypothetical. Well, it’s a good thing that there’s a ton of evidence to support it then. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4894 "2019-11-16T23:03:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Without any evidence to support it, it sure can be (easily dismissed). Your nifty hypothetical is just that: a hypothetical. Well we have group A accusing group B of being corrupt. And group B accusing group A of being corrupt. Group A was arrested by the FBI. Group B went under oath in front of Congress, a day after someone else was charged with a crime for lying under oath to congress - with a possible penalty of serving 20 years in Federal penitentiary - and said that she never did anything but do her job, and that her boss - who can easily be called in to confirm the matter - said that she was doing a good job. I vote that group A are the ones who are corrupt. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4895 "2019-11-16T23:09:00Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > It is better to keep some thoughts to yourself rather than risk giving anyone any ideas. > > I do not relish the idea of a second civil war. And, particularly, not over something stupid and false. Okay then. How about “…as mini-heart attacks caused by years-long Adderall and Sudafed addiction…” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4896 "2019-11-16T23:12:24Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > This could be it. I’m still waiting for an announcement from any decent neurologist saying, “Yes, the brain tumor is at least 40% of his brain size has affected his capability from telling the truth for at least 30 years…” > > … Or “We just x-rayed his head and half his brain is missing!” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4897 "2019-11-16T23:13:05Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Is it your expectation/assumption that overwhelmingly Democratic and progressive voters will fall in line to protect and defend (at any cost) any possible impropriety that is found related to the Bidens, the way that 80-90% of Republicans fall in line to protect the well documented improprieties of Trump & Co.? > > I don’t speak for all progressives (obviously) but I suspect dems/libs will not line up behind wrongdoing as readily and willingly as reps/cons have demonstrated time and time again. You not the least among them. I think the danger is false equivalency. Trump and the GOP are politically motivated, and therefore corrupt and guilty of dirty politics. But then again, to the average viral cat watching voter, Biden did some stuff over in that place near Russia, so he’s probably almost as bad. See, that’s how Democrats lost the last election. Hillary Clinton was just as corrupt as Trump. “Both sides do it.” I have at least two family members who defend Trump on those grounds among others. “_Well I worked in state government and I’ll tell ya: they’re all crooked. They all get richer in office_.” I guarantee that a lot of people will look at this and conclude that the Democrats don’t care about the rule of law anymore than the Republicans did when they impeached Bill Clinton over a cum stain. They don’t really understand. They don’t want to understand. They’re more interested in their jobs, their fantasy football leagues, Netflix, UFC, and viral cat vids. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4898 "2019-11-16T23:19:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Okay then. How about “…as mini-heart attacks caused by years-long Adderall and Sudafed addiction…” All the known diseases of the camel presenting as a venereal infection, abscess, and testicular defenestration. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4899 "2019-11-16T23:43:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Here is the full discussion. > > - Minor edits for length, listed at the bottom. > - Emphasis added. > > 1. I have removed one side discussion about clarifying for the record what “this” system is versus “that” system. > 2,3) I have removed some requests for Vindman to repeat the transcript with his changes. > > Overall, the September 25th release is largely what he saw, he believes to be the genuine output of their team, and the only substantive gaps are the two he explains and neither is particular large or changes the call in a vast way. > > But yes, the call was treated differently than usual and, likely, that was for reasons of trying to protect the President’s ass after being criminal on the phone in front of witnesses. Fiona Hill testified as much as well. The call record released by the White House was not out of the ordinary in form or style, including the ellipses. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4900 "2019-11-16T23:55:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > OK, what’s the available evidence that “she was fired for a corrupt purpose”? Having observed your approach to parsing evidence over these several years, I’m confident of three things: 1) Nothing I offer will be adjudged as persuasive; 2) I have better ways to spend my time than to attempt to persuade such a one; and 3) I am comfortable with that choice. Enjoy the thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=244) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=246)