# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 250
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4981 "2019-11-18T16:34:33Z")
The House is now investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller. > **[House investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller | CNN Politics](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/18/politics/house-investigating-trump-lying-to-mueller/index.html?__twitter_impression=true)** > > The House of Representatives is investigating whether President Donald Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller in written answers he provided in the Russia investigation, the House's general counsel said in federal court Monday. This seems like a notable development. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4982 "2019-11-18T16:57:29Z")
Stepping back, one has to realize that the Republican version of events requires me to believe that the singular issue that Donald Trump is concerned about for non-personal reasons is corruption in Ukraine. And that all the people testifying (many from his own administration) that his concern about corruption in Ukraine being personally motivated are wrong or lying. And that he hid the evidence and won’t allow witnesses about his discussions about corruption in Ukraine because reasons unknown. Look, I can buy the argument that this was wrong but not impeachable, though I disagree with that strongly. But, we are well past the point of believing that the Republicans disagreeing that this was wrong are making good faith arguments about what happened. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4983 "2019-11-18T17:27:01Z")
Shit fire, what the hell is impeachable? Reagan sold weapons to Iran to support people who was directly told not to, GeeDubya lied us into a futile and expensive war. But a blowjob? Well, that’s _right_ out! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4984 "2019-11-18T17:36:15Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Exactly! It would not make sense for Trump to knock the easiest candidate to beat out before the Democrat primaries. Therefore, Trump’s mention of Biden in the call was not for his own political gain. It was part of his effort to fight corruption. Biden is the chosen candidate of Never-Trumpers so he has all of the Democrats and some of the genuine hardcore Republicans and, in general, he is the preferred and most likely candidate to go up against Trump - _particularly if we are talking about what the numbers would say at the time period during which the events unfolded as opposed to right now and particularly if we use actual polling data rather than a subjective opinion of who is and isn’t easy to beat._ ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4985 "2019-11-18T18:09:00Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > The House is now investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller. > > [House investigating whether Trump lied to Robert Mueller - CNNPolitics](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/18/politics/house-investigating-trump-lying-to-mueller/index.html?__twitter_impression=true) > > This seems like a notable development. From the article: > [@](#): > > The House’s arguments Monday draw new focus to whether Trump had lied to Mueller following public revelations at Roger Stone’s trial this month. > > Former Trump deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates testified that Trump and Stone talked about information that was coming that could help the campaign in mid-2016, at a time when Stone was attempting to get secret details about stolen Democratic documents WikiLeaks had. > > Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort also apparently told the Mueller grand jury what Trump’s approach to WikiLeaks had been in 2016, according to the Mueller report. > > But Trump told Mueller in his written statements he didn’t recall discussing WikiLeaks with Stone. Trump in 2017: [I have “one of the great memories of all-time’](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gold-star-great-memory-2017-10?r=US&IR=T)” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4986 "2019-11-18T18:09:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Shit fire, what the hell is impeachable? Reagan sold weapons to Iran to support people who was directly told not to, GeeDubya lied us into a futile and expensive war. But a blowjob? Well, that’s _right_ out! Now, now, you’re being unfair and quite obviously partisan. I for one see the principled Republican side of this. He got impeached, not for improper sexual conduct or marital infidelity (that would have been silly), but for \*saying \*he didn’t get the blowie, when he in fact did. And that’s quite obviously of national import. After all, if the President can lie about such a thing, there’s simply no telling what else he might be lying about ; and if there’s anything that simply can not be supported by anyone regardless of political affiliation, it is a President who is not explicitly truthful at all times and about any topic, no matter how intimate or personal ; and no matter where their individual self-interest lies or drives them. Presidenting is about national trust and utmost integrity, ultimately. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4987 "2019-11-18T18:26:57Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Exactly! It would not make sense for Trump to knock the easiest candidate to beat out before the Democrat primaries. Therefore, Trump’s mention of Biden in the call was not for his own political gain. It was part of his effort to fight corruption. Your final sentence is missing a word, must be a typo. It should have read. > [@](#): > > It was part of his effort to fight **for** corruption. Lets us concentrate on what I call the tale of two firings. On the one hand you have Biden firing Shokin, on the other side you have Trump firing Yovanovitch. Shokin Firing: Hunter Biden joined the board of the company after the case had already been closed. While he was prosecutor, Shokin showed no interest in prosecuting Bursima or any other company for corruption. This why Shokin was widely recognized as a corrupt prosecutor. It is why everyone in the state department was in favor of his removal as well as a number of our European allies, and it is why Guiliani/Trump wants him back in his old seat. Had Biden actually wanted to shield Bursima from investigation, he probably would have been better off acting against his own state department to keep Shokin on in exchange for Shokin continuing to do what he had been doing all along. Yovanovitch: Yaqvonivich is recognized as an exemplary state department employee. Even the Republicans in the impeachment hearings couldn’t seem to praise her enough. No explanation has been given for her firing except that she was “bad news”, that she opposed reinstating the highly corrupt Shokin and that she may have preferred the previous Ukrainian president to one whose sole qualification is that he played a president on TV. The sole evidence of this is the word of our CIC who tells an average of [13.5 lies a day](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/14/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/). ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4988 "2019-11-18T18:28:21Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [And Trump taking to Twitter to talk testifying.](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/18/trump-says-he-will-strongly-consider-testifying-in-impeachment-probe.html) Oh please. Oh please. Oh please. Oh please. Oh please. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4989 "2019-11-18T18:29:58Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Yes I do. In fact, I think Trump would prefer to run against Biden over all the other Democrat contenders. Biden appears to be going senile, and Trump would crush him in debates. And if you type “creepy Uncle Joe” into youtube, you will find numerous videos which can be turned into campaign commercials to broadcast in October 2020. On top of that Biden is an old white male, which is used to disparage Republican candidates all the time. Let me know when Biden talks about his daughter’s Rita’s in an interview, brags about barging into a beauty pageant dressing room, and talks about how we took the airports during the revolutionary war. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4990 "2019-11-18T18:37:20Z")
Reminder of Trump’s written responses to Mueller’s questions: > [@](#): > > **Response to Question l, Parts (a) through (c)** > “I have no recollection…” > > **Response to Question I, Part (d)** > “I have no independent recollection…” > > **Response to Question I, Part (e)** > “I have no independent recollection…” > > **Response to Question I, Part (t)** > “I do not recall…” > > **Response to Question I, Part (g)** > “…In the course of preparing to respond to your questions, I have become aware…” > > **Response to Question I, Part (h)** > “I have no recollection…” > > **Response to Question I, Part (i)** > “I have no recollection…” > > **Response to Question II, Part (a)** > “I do not remember…” > > **Response to Question U, Part (b)** > “…I have no recollection…” > > **Response to Question II, Part (c)** > “I do not recall being aware…” > > **Response to Question II, Part (d)** > “I do not recall having any discussion…I have no recollection…” > > **Response to Question II, Part (e)** > “…I have no recollection…” > > **Response to Question II, Part (f)** > “I do not recall…” > > **Response to Question ll, Part (g)** > “I have no recollection…” > > **Response to Question II, Part (h)** > “I do not recall…” > > **Response to Question II, Part (i)** > “I do not recall…[conversations] were not memorable…I do not recall…I do not remember…I do not recall…” > > **Response to Question IV, Parts (a) through (d)** > “I do not remember…I do not remember…” > > **Response to Question IV, Part (e)** > “I do not recall…” > > **Response to Question IV, Part (t)** > “I have no recollection…” > > **Response to Question V, Part (a)** > “I do not remember…” ---
**Author:** ![zoog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7ea924/32.png) [@zoog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoog)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4991 "2019-11-18T18:42:11Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [And Trump taking to Twitter to talk testifying.](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/18/trump-says-he-will-strongly-consider-testifying-in-impeachment-probe.html) If this happens, put it on pay-per-view. Seriously, I’d pay good money to watch this. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4992 "2019-11-18T18:43:34Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > Let me know when Biden talks about his daughter’s Rita’s in an interview, brags about barging into a beauty pageant dressing room, and talks about how we took the airports during the revolutionary war. That should be daughter’s ass. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4993 "2019-11-18T18:50:32Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > That should be daughter’s ass. That is a very intriguing auto-correct. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4994 "2019-11-18T18:52:11Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > That is a very intriguing auto-correct. :dubious: Now I know what the Beatles song “Lovely Rita” is about! Sorry, I shouldn’t be such a ritahole. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4995 "2019-11-18T18:55:28Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > That should be daughter’s ass. I’m sure sure the evangelicals would say that Donald is just peachy because the Bible says don’t covet your neighbor’s ass, it didn’t say anything about your daughter’s ass. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4996 "2019-11-18T18:56:46Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Reminder of Trump’s written responses to Mueller’s questions: In defense of dt it must be said that none of these answers were accompanied by him doing impressions of a handicapped person. They were in writing but still, give credit where it’s due. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4997 "2019-11-18T19:02:09Z")
Didn’t he say he had the best memory? It should also be pointed out to him that Crooked Hillary spoke under oath in front of a Congressional investigative committee for 11 hours in one day and managed not to perjure herself, yet he couldn’t manage a single minute under oath during the Mueller enquiry for fear of perjuring himself. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4998 "2019-11-18T19:43:55Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > In defense of dt it must be said that none of these answers were accompanied by him doing impressions of a handicapped person. They were in writing but still, give credit where it’s due. I think we can confidently say that he did not write a single one of the answers. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/4999 "2019-11-18T19:44:38Z")
It doesn’t matter what the judge says about Trump’s financial records-[because they are _ **NEVER** _ going to be turned over.](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/house-agrees-short-halt-fight-trump-records-67106729) Is anyone here gullible enough to think the hold will be for just a few days or weeks? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5000 "2019-11-18T19:53:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It doesn’t matter what the judge says about Trump’s financial records-[because they are _ **NEVER** _ going to be turned over.](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/house-agrees-short-halt-fight-trump-records-67106729) Is anyone here gullible enough to think the hold will be for just a few days or weeks? You are correct. It will never happen. And he will never testify before Congress or anywhere else, except maybe at his own criminal trail (someday). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=249) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=251)