# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 280
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5581 "2019-11-23T20:02:40Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > _Fewer_ than 3. > > What? Ask Kayla. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5582 "2019-11-23T20:06:19Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > The extension is that Joe shut down a Ukrainian investigation into Burisma in order to keep Hunter’s gravy train flowing. This subject is not supposed to be in this thread. But this is bullshit. You can feel free to present the evidence in the thread [where it is appropriate](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=882803). ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5583 "2019-11-23T20:12:31Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > Generally agree but a lot of Americans just didn’t like Hillary and Bill, period. There was 25 years of conspiracies about them. This. I think Buttigieg and Biden have the best chance of winning _because_ they are most like Hillary but don’t have her long history of (totally manufactured) baggage. If the last election and the last 3 years hadn’t turned out the way they did, then the Democrats might need to swing for the fences, but they only need to flip a few tens of thousands of votes in a couple states to take the Presidency back, and that’s a much more sure thing given that the Two B’s aren’t hated as much as Hillary and there will be a lot more people disenchanted with Trump than pleasantly surprised by him. Whereas with Warren and Sanders, it is a more risky gamble on whether they can win more people with the details of their plans and their intensity, or lose more people to red-baiting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5584 "2019-11-23T20:13:46Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I read through all 100 pages, there’s hardly anything in them. [Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/23/state-department-pompeo-giuliani-073064) disagrees: > [@](#): > > The 100 pages of documents show repeated contact in March between Pompeo and Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, with the help of White House officials. > > The documents back up bombshell testimony from Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland this week alleging senior administration officials were in the loop on Trump and Giuliani’s efforts to get Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden’s family. > > The released documents also include a letter signed by six former U.S. ambassadors praising Yovanovitch. > > The documents also reveal Rep. Devin Nunes, an ardent Trump ally and the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, was on Pompeo’s call list only a few days after Giuliani. So these documents help corroborate the testimony of a witness who Republicans were trying to [smear as unreliable](https://www.mediaite.com/news/pence-chief-of-staff-fires-back-at-sondland-in-statement-alleging-he-lied-in-testimony-they-never-talked-about-investigations/) (and the fact is he did change his testimony which naturally will cause skepticism). It also corroborated that Yovanovitch was highly praised and most importantly it also corroborates that Nunes is involved with this, which means that new evidence is not just from the mouth of someone facing jail time. Yes, we knew this information previously, but now it’s a hell of a lot harder for Republicans to spin because it’s in black and white. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5585 "2019-11-23T20:19:13Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Super-genius Devin Nunes is threatening to sue the media for reporting on what Lev Parnas is saying about helping out on one of Nunes’ junkets to gather conspiracy theories. > > Note, Nunes isn’t talking about suing his buddy Parnas for defamation. No, he wants to sue the media for reporting on what Parnas is saying. > > Of course, there’s a reasonable chance that Parnas is lying. He’s really no more trustworthy that Nunes, after all. Hey, at least the members of the media are real, unlike his Twitter cow. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5586 "2019-11-23T21:05:08Z")
[Vicky Ward](https://twitter.com/VickyPJWard/status/1198340526606573568), _CNN_, who broke the Parnas/Nunes story: > [@](#): > > Lev Parnas’s attorney has told me that his client would not be making these claims if he didn’t have text messages and other such evidence to back them up. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5587 "2019-11-23T21:19:53Z")
**[‘Everything Is Connected’: Ukrainian Gas Company’s CEO Willing to Testify Against Rudy Giuliani](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/everything-is-connected-ukraine-state-gas-firms-ceo-willing-to-testify-against-rudy-giuliani/)** > [@](#): > > “I will with a high likelihood be invited to testify in this case,” Naftogaz of Ukraine CEO Andriy Kobolyev said in an interview with Time. “If I am called, I would be willing to come and testify.” > > … > > Parnas and Fruman were arrested in October and charged for illegally funneling foreign political donations to Republican U.S. election candidates in violation of federal campaign finance laws. The two Soviet-born Florida businessmen were allegedly attempting to oust Kobolyev from his position at Naftogaz and have him replaced with someone more inclined to benefit them financially. This has previously been described as a “shakedown.” Just to piggy-back on Walken’s previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5588 "2019-11-23T21:36:24Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > And this is simply untrue. Joe Biden was tasked with the official Obama administration’s goal of pursuing more corruption in Ukraine, not less. Biden was dispatched to oversee the Ukraine’s firing of Ukrainian Inspector General Shokin _because he was corrupt_. In fact, the investigation into Burisma under Shokin _had gone dormant_ at the time Joe Biden aided in Shokin’s firing. > > There was no active investigation into Burisma at the time. The idea was to get a new Ukrainian IG who would investigation more corruption, not less. > > This was not only the goal of the United States, but also the goal of other Western European governments. > > A good CT debunker explanation can be found [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/business/media/fact-check-biden-ukraine-burisma-china-hunter.html). (New York Times) That link also takes on the stupid Crowdstrike crap and Hunter Biden China connections. It’s a good read. > > I don’t disagree that Hunter Biden leaned on his father’s reputation to get his Burisma board position. But if we’re worried about nepotism, we could easily look at Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Andrew Giuliani who now works as Trump’s “sports liaison,” and William Barr’s son-in-law, Tyler McGaughey, who now works in the White House Counsel’s office. Why not just avoid engaging in whataboutism ourselves? We don’t have to point to Trump family nepotism. Everyone has their minds made up about that anyway, they seem to have gotten away with it and what is the accusation anyway? It looks bad? It isn’t worth it. The Hunter Biden stuff relates to this thread the same way it relates to the impeachment inquiry: it is really a separate topic. If you have a criminal inictment you’d like to make, go ahead, but we’re talking here about Trump’s bribery, his high crimes, his obstruction of justice, his witness tampering. Hunter really doesn’t figure in to any of that. I am not Jr modding you, I am just saying Jared etc is (almost) as much of a rabbit hole as Hunter. Hunter’s imagined “crimes” are the “tax cuts pay for themselves” of the impeachment hearings: say it enough and people will believe it and become fixated. So unless nepotism is going to be an article of impeachment, we should pursue it separately, if at all. Nepotism will make a great campaign point actually, if it comes to that. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5589 "2019-11-23T21:59:09Z")
As the criminal behaviour becomes increasingly clear, the posts by Trump supporters are going to be increasingly comical. There are many reasons to hope the likes Guiliani and Trump go to prison, but I would just love to hear what Trump supporters like HurricaneDitka et al. will have to say at that time. I think it is about time for some throwing under the bus. I think next week it will morph into, yes, all of this criminal activity was committed but not by Trump. It was all of the underlings! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5590 "2019-11-23T22:18:14Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Why not just avoid engaging in whataboutism ourselves? We don’t have to point to Trump family nepotism. Everyone has their minds made up about that anyway, they seem to have gotten away with it and what is the accusation anyway? It looks bad? It isn’t worth it. > > The Hunter Biden stuff relates to this thread the same way it relates to the impeachment inquiry: it is really a separate topic. If you have a criminal inictment you’d like to make, go ahead, but we’re talking here about Trump’s bribery, his high crimes, his obstruction of justice, his witness tampering. Hunter really doesn’t figure in to any of that. > > I am not Jr modding you, I am just saying Jared etc is (almost) as much of a rabbit hole as Hunter. Hunter’s imagined “crimes” are the “tax cuts pay for themselves” of the impeachment hearings: say it enough and people will believe it and become fixated. So unless nepotism is going to be an article of impeachment, we should pursue it separately, if at all. Nepotism will make a great campaign point actually, if it comes to that. Your point is a fair one and I appreciate you making it. However, I’d ask that you look at the post that caused me to respond. In it, **steronz** made a clear, false statement: **“The extension is that Joe shut down a Ukrainian investigation into Burisma in order to keep Hunter’s gravy train flowing.”** Now, I don’t know if s/he meant to make an incorrect statement or if it was just inartfully worded, but it _is_ a false statement. Because this particular falsehood seems to have somewhat successfully made its way into the mainstream dialogue, the untruth of it is a real burr under my saddle. I feel the need to correct it when I see it. Otherwise, again, I agree in every way with the criticism you offered. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5591 "2019-11-23T22:32:34Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > I’ve got news for you. It’s back. Whom are we cold warring against? We love Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5592 "2019-11-23T22:50:45Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Your point is a fair one and I appreciate you making it. However, I’d ask that you look at the post that caused me to respond. > > In it, **steronz** made a clear, false statement: **“The extension is that Joe shut down a Ukrainian investigation into Burisma in order to keep Hunter’s gravy train flowing.”** > > Now, I don’t know if s/he meant to make an incorrect statement or if it was just inartfully worded, but it _is_ a false statement. Because this particular falsehood seems to have somewhat successfully made its way into the mainstream dialogue, the untruth of it is a real burr under my saddle. I feel the need to correct it when I see it. > > Otherwise, again, I agree in every way with the criticism you offered. Yeah, the “crimes” of Hunter and Joe motivated the “tax cuts pay for themselves” comparison. It is unfortunate that bs can have such a gavitational pull. I don’t know **steronz** ’s intentions but I took it as describing the GOP strategy, which seems to be to deflect attention away from impeachment and towards the crimes of the opposition, be they real or imagined. And chasing this unicorn is baked right into the bribery/extortion to begin with, so it is hard to just never ever mention it. But deflection seems to be all Team Trump has got, be it election strategy or impeachment defense. The propaganda-driven nature of the GOP generally has been my own burr for a long time. I am saying this as someone working a lot of 12 hr days lately, mostly away from tv. This thread is doing more to keep me informed than any other source, so do please keep it up 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5593 "2019-11-23T23:09:35Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I read through all 100 pages … > > … I’m not sure if Pompeo has stipulated that he talked to Rudy at some point but it doesn’t seem like anyone on Trump’s defense team disputes it. In fact, they would just say it adds legitimacy to what Rudy was doing. It severely undercuts the ‘Rudy was a rogue agent and Trump had no idea what he was doing’ defense of Trump. Specifically, it implies that Rudy can’t be thrown under that bus alone—the theory would now have to be that Pompeo was part of Rudy’s scheme (all supposedly unbeknownst to Trump, according to the ‘rogue Rudy’ defense). And Pompeo is highly unlikely to cooperate with any such attempt to deflect responsibility for the Ukraine scandal from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5594 "2019-11-23T23:23:55Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Fox News’ senior judicial analyst Judge [Andrew Napolitano](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/471725-foxs-napolitano-sees-evidence-to-justify-about-three-or-four-articles-of?rnd=1574460774): > > > [@](#): > > > > “The Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have unearthed enough evidence, in my opinion, to justify about three or four articles of impeachment against the president," Napolitano told [Reason.com](http://Reason.com)’s Nick Gillespie. > > > > “One is bribery… The second charge will be high crimes and misdemeanors, election law violation,” the former New Jersey Superior Court judge said. “The third crime will be obstruction of justice. The fourth will be interference with a witness, and the fifth may be lying under oath.” > > > > “The evidence of his impeachable behavior at this point, in my view, is overwhelming," Napolitano concluded. Perhaps another charge may be _ **witness tampering** _: > [@](#): > > President Trump, partial to gold and marble elegance, never took a shine to rustic Camp David. So acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney pitched to him an unusual idea at the start of the House impeachment inquiry: Use the secluded mountainous presidential retreat to woo House Republicans. > > Since then, Mulvaney and top White House officials have hosted weekend getaways for Republicans at the historic lodge, seeking to butter up Republicans before the big impeachment vote. > > …“I’ve worked with a number of Republican presidents over various administrations . . . and I’ve never, ever been invited to Camp David,” said Rep. Ann Wagner (R-Mo.). “It was amazing to go for the short weekend. So historic.” > > The excursions are funded by the U.S. government, administration officials say. > > … In all, Trump has met with or reached out personally to 100 GOP members of the House since the impeachment inquiry was launched, and 50 of the 53 Senate Republicans have attended a White House lunch … > > [At Camp David] no phones are allowed on the premises … > **[Trump opens up Camp David as an ‘adult playground’ to woo GOP lawmakers...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-opens-up-camp-david-as-an-adult-playground-to-woo-gop-lawmakers-during-impeachment/2019/11/22/ec6e7810-0c6f-11ea-8397-a955cd542d00_story.html)** > > The weekend getaways are part of a broader White House charm offensive aimed at keeping House and Senate Republicans in line during the impeachment inquiry. No phones are allowed, meaning there can be no records of what Trump may be saying to those who will vote on his fate. “Jury tampering” might apply to both the House and the Senate, with the House members acting essentially as a grand jury, voting whether or not to indict, and the Senators acting as the jury in the trial that could remove Trump from office. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5595 "2019-11-23T23:54:02Z")
Jury tampering, of course (not “witness tampering”). ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5596 "2019-11-24T00:02:34Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > And this is simply untrue. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Except that didn’t really happen either. > [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > This subject is not supposed to be in this thread. But this is bullshit. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > In it, **steronz** made a clear, false statement: **“The extension is that Joe shut down a Ukrainian investigation into Burisma in order to keep Hunter’s gravy train flowing.”** > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I don’t know **steronz** ’s intentions but I took it as describing the GOP strategy Yes, just to clear my besmirched name, I was merely describing the GOP strategy as **Try2B Comprehensive** understood. I don’t believe that myself. Certainly Devin Nunes thinks there’s some “there” there since he was over poking around in Ukraine, so I think it’s fair to say the GOP strategy is to insinuate that this investigation existed and Joe Biden shut it down. But I do appreciate that, as always, the quickest way to get the right answer on the internet is to post the wrong answer 🙂 I know I’m not a household name around here so I’ll try to make my intentions more clear in the future. And I also respectfully drop this topic now that I’ve been reminded that it’s verboten in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5597 "2019-11-24T00:02:39Z")
For god’s sake. I’m sure he’ll be up to no good but you can’t expect the President to not have conversations with Senators and Congresspeople. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5598 "2019-11-24T00:06:48Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Yes, we knew this information previously, but now it’s a hell of a lot harder for Republicans to spin because it’s in black and white. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > It severely undercuts the ‘Rudy was a rogue agent and Trump had no idea what he was doing’ defense of Trump. Specifically, it implies that Rudy can’t be thrown under that bus alone—the theory would now have to be that Pompeo was part of Rudy’s scheme (all supposedly unbeknownst to Trump, according to the ‘rogue Rudy’ defense). > > And Pompeo is highly unlikely to cooperate with any such attempt to deflect responsibility for the Ukraine scandal from Trump. It’s hard to know what strategy Trump’s defense team is using at any given moment, but ISTM that the “throw Rudy under the bus” defense didn’t really take off. Plus remember Rudy holding up his cell phone and saying that everyone at the state department knew what he was doing and he had the records to prove it? It hardly seems like they were trying to keep Rudy’s contacts with Pompeo secret. And again, this only helps with the “there was no irregular channel” defense, since how can there be an irregular channel if Pompeo was in the loop? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5599 "2019-11-24T01:30:25Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > And again, this only helps with the “there was no irregular channel” defense, since how can there be an irregular channel if Pompeo was in the loop? Trump: Pompeo, I want you to break this crime. Pompeo: Yes, sir. Pompeo: Sondland, protect Ukraine from Russia. Also, do what Giuliani tells you. Giuliani: Sondland, break this crime with me. Sondland: Pompeo, Giuliani is asking me to do this questionable act… Pompeo: Thank you for the report. The President knows that you are doing your best and I am telling him great things about you. Sondland: Volker, break this crime with me. Pompeo is smart enough to simply maintain a form of blindness to the criminal act. He will almost certainly have worked to insulate himself from it in a variety of ways. He’ll say that, as he understood it, Giuliani was working as the President’s lawyer and that he had asked the people in Ukraine to help Giuliani get to know the area. If there were reports that Giuliani was asking them to do things that were outside the scope of his legal work, and delving into foreign policy, he was unaware of them or simply thought that the people were complaining that Giuliani was distracting them from their proper work. He’s a busy guy, he talks to hundreds of people every day, they should have followed procedure Y to get his attention if there was a true issue but instead that only did procedure K and obviously that is insufficient. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5600 "2019-11-24T02:01:28Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > For god’s sake. I’m sure he’ll be up to no good but you can’t expect the President to not have conversations with Senators and Congresspeople. absolutely - so, before the impeachment proceedings began, how many of these ‘retreats’ has the President held? Has he invited Senators and Congresspeople from both parties, or only the ones he “needs”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=279) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=281)