# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 281
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5601 "2019-11-24T02:37:53Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > For god’s sake. I’m sure he’ll be up to no good but you can’t expect the President to not have conversations with Senators and Congresspeople. Absolutely true. It’s jury tampering – and perfectly legal. The U.S. President, if sufficiently shameless, is mostly above the law. And DJT is sufficiently shameless. A good example of this is the pardon power. A President who was committed to acting under law would always rubber-stamp the recommendations of the Justice Department Office of the Pardon Attorney. Someone like Bill Clinton usually did this, but not always. Above-the-law Trump just pardons who he wants to, period. He’s legally above the law. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5602 "2019-11-24T03:46:28Z")
[Rudy Giuliani Appeared to ‘Publicly Blackmail’ President Trump For the Second Time In Fox News Interview](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/rudy-giuliani-appeared-to-publicly-blackmail-president-trump-for-the-second-time-in-fox-news-interview/) > [@](#): > > “And all of these comments – which are totally insulting – I’ve seen things written like, ‘he’s gonna throw me under the bus.’ When they say that, I say, ‘he isn’t, but I have insurance.’” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5603 "2019-11-24T04:00:31Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > [Rudy Giuliani Appeared to ‘Publicly Blackmail’ President Trump For the Second Time In Fox News Interview](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/rudy-giuliani-appeared-to-publicly-blackmail-president-trump-for-the-second-time-in-fox-news-interview/) Giuliani [has addressed](https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1198352974000644097) the mentions of “insurance”: > [@Rudy Giuliani](#): > > TRUTH ALERT: > > The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office. > > If I disappear, it will appear immediately along with my RICO chart. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5604 "2019-11-24T04:14:11Z")
[Possible photo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKGySLiXUAABZcB.jpg) of Giuliani’s living room, with RICO chart. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5605 "2019-11-24T04:19:21Z")
^^following up^^ [Giuliani Says Biden Documents to Be Released ‘If I Disappear’](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-23/giuliani-says-biden-documents-to-be-released-if-i-disappear) (what Walken said). ((ninja’d)) ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5606 "2019-11-24T04:28:14Z")
The good news for the Bidens is there’s zero chance Guiliani has any “insurance” on them. He’s such an awful liar. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5607 "2019-11-24T04:50:29Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > The good news for the Bidens is there’s zero chance Guiliani has any “insurance” on them. He’s such an awful liar. If he had actual information on the Bidens - and Trump wants actual information on the Bidens - and the DOJ would certainly be interested in actual information on the Bidens - why would he want to hold onto it at all? Seems thats the kinda thing that would make all this other stuff disappear (even though the actions of the Bidens have zero to do with Trump’s actions) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5608 "2019-11-24T05:08:58Z")
Yeah, Giuliani’s response makes no sense. “Trump won’t underbus me because if he did, I’d release dirt on the Bidens!” Uh, what? I think the most likely explanation of Giuliani’s “insurance” claim is that Giuliani has bupkis but he thinks he’s being clever or something. He’s a fucking fool. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5609 "2019-11-24T05:28:23Z")
Exactly, it fails on every single level. I would like to add that Guiliani is clearly very worried about being thrown under the bus. Everything about what he’s saying and doing reveals the inner turmoil. And to that, I say, awesome! I hope he’s losing a lot of sleep and feeling a lot of stress because frak that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5610 "2019-11-24T07:23:13Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > ^^following up^^ > > [Giuliani Says Biden Documents to Be Released ‘If I Disappear’](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-23/giuliani-says-biden-documents-to-be-released-if-i-disappear) > > (what Walken said). > ((ninja’d)) What a bizarre statement. If we read it the way that a Republican would interpret it - that Biden is guilty of something - then he’s threatening to do… What Trump hired him to do…? 😕 Either it’s code for something else, he has evidence that exonerates Biden, or (the likely answer) he has evidence that Trump has was committing crimes against Biden (beyond even what we already know) and he’ll release that. But certainly, I think we can say, Giuliani is telling Trump that he’s expecting a pardon before even getting to the arrest stage let alone the “sitting in jail for 2-6 years, before Trump is leaving office” timetable that we would usually expect. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5611 "2019-11-24T10:21:23Z")
If he has evidence of Biden breaking the law, doesn’t sitting on it constitute obstruction of justice? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5612 "2019-11-24T12:17:54Z")
Honestly, I don’t think he has any insurance against Trump either. I think the first statement was also a lie. Guiliani, much like Trump, says whatever nonsense pops into his brain. I think he’s very worried about being thrown under the bus, and so his mob lawyer brain goes immediately to “I have insurance!” I was thinking last night, that if Guiliani was a character in a movie, you’d roll your eyes at him. You’d be like “Come on, the President of the United States could never have such an awful lawyer.” Unless he was supposed to be the comic relief. In any case, as the Republicans turn on Guiliani I’m looking forward to their talking points being presented here by the usual suspects. I wonder if any of them have the courage to say anything BEFORE the Republican talking points come out about the FOIA reveal and/or Guiliani’s “insurance”? Do they dare possibly say something that might not be the party line? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5613 "2019-11-24T12:46:18Z")
To me, it was obvious that Giuliani was first threatening Trump, then when called on it, just threw out “oh, I mean info on the Bidens” because of course he could not admit to having dirt on Trump. He’s a liar, but there is no doubt he has such dirt, just because there is so much of it to go around, and he’s at the center of it all. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5614 "2019-11-24T12:51:06Z")
As a side note, I am worried that the narrative war is not being won. Following Trump’s insane chopper talk \* I WANT NOTHING \*, many reputable news sites explained that he was referring to his call to Sondland and that that call supports Trump’s defense. But unless I misunderstood something, that was the call Trump made just \*after \*the whistleblower complaint was made public. That’s really important contextual information that for some reason is being left out. And the same is true of the aid being released. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5615 "2019-11-24T15:02:28Z")
Dummies. The insurance is stuff on the Bidens because they are the source of all this shit being downloaded onto Feckless Leader! And they have to crush Giuliani because he is the one man who can thwart their schemes! PS: I misspelled Rudy’s last name and got that red underscore that says “Hey, dumbass, you can’t spell for shit, click to see a recommended spelling”. Which was “anilingus”. I have no comment to offer. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5616 "2019-11-24T16:19:35Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > But unless I misunderstood something, that was the call Trump made just \*after \*the whistleblower complaint was made public. That’s really important contextual information that for some reason is being left out. One cause of Trump, I think, is that the media has had their budget scaled back so far in the age of the internet that they simply can’t get very good people and those people don’t have the time nor budget to do good work. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5617 "2019-11-24T16:48:12Z")
[Catie Edmondson](https://twitter.com/CatieEdmondson/status/1198624778518745091), _NYT_: > [@](#): > > Maria Bartiromo asks Nunes “bottom line, were you in Vienna with Shokin?” > > Nunes says he really wants to answer “all of the questions” but can’t right now “because there is criminal activity here,” referring to… CNN? > … > More Nunes: “Everyone’s going to know the truth… I can’t compete trying to debate this out with the public media when 90% of the media are totally corrupt.” > > “Because this is criminal in nature and because it’s so bad, it’s so slanderous. We’ve got all the facts on our side.” ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5618 "2019-11-24T16:50:21Z")
Many people have dirt on Trump which is one reason for hiding tax returns. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5619 "2019-11-24T18:00:01Z")
Rudy has known dt for 30 or 40 years. And he was the chief at SDNY! And then freakin Mayor! He has plenty of stuff, more than the average new yorker, who I would bet also had stuff. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5620 "2019-11-24T18:52:31Z")
> [@simster](#): > > If he had actual information on the Bidens - and Trump wants actual information on the Bidens - and the DOJ would certainly be interested in actual information on the Bidens - why would he want to hold onto it at all? Seems thats the kinda thing that would make all this other stuff disappear (even though the actions of the Bidens have zero to do with Trump’s actions) The DOJ that’s run by Trump’s lapdog, Barr? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=280) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=282)