# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 289
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5761 "2019-11-28T03:07:49Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > So the Defense Department and the committees have this info. How does this detract from what I said? I didn’t bring up corruption, I brought up the possibility that Trump just didn’t want Ukraine to get aid until he looked into himself. Okay, but if that were the case, why wouldn’t Trump have wanted to get some intelligence professionals (CIA, military intelligence) etc. to open an official inquiry? Is it reasonable to believe that Trump credibly thought that hotelier Gordon Sondland and whatever-he-is-now Rudy Giuliani would have a better chance of coming up with a comprehensive report on ‘corruption’ in another nation? > [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > …But anyway, not to lose site of the main issue for me, and that is that the Dems were hasty, weren’t really interested in getting to the bottom of things, and have so far shirked their duty. I suppose they could still redeem themselves somewhat in the trial, but I’m not hopeful. I don’t know if “shirked” really fits, but I’ll agree that they haven’t succeeded in fully presenting for the American voting public the story of Trump’s Ukraine scheme. A large part of that isn’t the fault of the Democrats, though. It’s the fault of a system that has, so far, permitted a conscious-of-his-own-guilt President, abetted by a corrupt Attorney General, to stonewall Congress on both witnesses and documents. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5762 "2019-11-28T03:14:10Z")
Yeah, the stonewalling and obstruction of justice are rampant in this case. Trump was going behind and around official channels in shaking down the Ukrainian government and has tried to stall and interfere with investigations that have arisen from his actions. It strains plausibility to believe that he’s doing this because the evidence might reveal that he was trying to ensure integrity in the process of providing foreign aid. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5763 "2019-11-28T03:27:45Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Okay, but if that were the case, why wouldn’t Trump have wanted to get some intelligence professionals (CIA, military intelligence) etc. to open an official inquiry? > > Is it reasonable to believe that Trump credibly thought that hotelier Gordon Sondland and whatever-he-is-now Rudy Giuliani would have a better chance of coming up with a comprehensive report on ‘corruption’ in another nation? In theory, Trump is at the mercy of the deep state and the entire CIA conspires against him. Which means either that Trump is a crazy conspiracy theorist nutball, has come up with the world’s silliest excuse for his corrupt activities because he’s a fucking moron, and/or is a Russian puppet who spreads anti-American and anti-CIA propaganda. The great hope is that it’s option #2, perversely. And it should be noted that the reason #2 is stupid is because 1) he could still hire a professional investigator, 2) saying that Giuliani was investigating Biden on his own doesn’t bear scrutiny when Trump is telling people on the phone that Giuliani is his intermediary and that they need to help him with Biden, and 3) he’s the boss of the CIA and appointed the head of the CIA - so he’s claiming personal incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5764 "2019-11-28T03:33:17Z")
Deleted Post. (It’s late. I’m on my phone. It wasn’t worth it)… ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5765 "2019-11-28T03:59:06Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Deleted Post. > > (It’s late. I’m on my phone. **It wasn’t worth it** )… No, it wasn’t. I share this missive for those who seem to be twisting themselves into Gumby-like contortions to find a narrative in the Ukraine chronicle that makes Trump look like an ok guy, just doing reasonable things: Last night, Andrew Weissmann appeared as a guest on Rachel Maddow’s show and shared a splendid story. He said (I’m paraphrasing) that when he was a baby prosecutor working criminal cases, each time he would find a new piece of evidence that supported his theory of a crime, he would excitedly run to his supervising attorney and share what he had uncovered. One day, the boss said, “I don’t know why you’re so surprised that you keep finding evidence that your support theories. Every piece of the puzzle fits because _they’re guilty_.” [Video to see the original](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/weissmann-there-is-no-counternarrative-to-trump-s-ukraine-scheme-74150981941). (Maddow) ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5766 "2019-11-28T05:15:11Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Here is my pulled out of my ass guess as to what Bolton’s motivation might be. > > I think Bolton is more of an ideologue than he is a partisan. I think he does what he does and takes the actions he takes based on the fact that he really believes that that is what is best for the country. I think he’s totally wrong and batshit insane, but I think he generally believes what he says. Along these lines I believe he realizes the Trump is very bad for the security of the United States, and would be very pleased to see Trump kicked out of office and run out of town on a rail. On the other hand he also realizes that he only has a career on the right side of the spectrum, and if he gets cast as a deep state never Trumper he’ll never be able to work again. So he wants to spill the beans, but he wants to be forced to do it. That way he can say, that he would never willingly betray the president, but once he was put under oath, he just had to tell the truth. > > Basically he’s like that sympathetic guard who releases the hero from his holding cell but asks the hero to hit him in the face a few times and tie him up so he doesn’t get in trouble. You’re engaging in wishful thinking. Bolton has made a career out of defending the power of the Executive. As such, he is **extremely** unlikely to do anything that might in any way reduce the President’s power or standing. > [@](#): > > In the Watergate era, he saw how an “overreacting” Congress, as he later called it, could limit the president’s authority—for example, with the War Powers Act and independent counsel statute. On campaign finance in particular, Bolton soon made a name for himself and (a decent living) during Jimmy Carter’s administration, litigating against some of the perceived congressional overreach. [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/27/john-bolton-trumpimpeachment-hero-229882](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/27/john-bolton-trumpimpeachment-hero-229882) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5767 "2019-11-28T13:17:55Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > You’re engaging in wishful thinking. Bolton has made a career out of defending the power of the Executive. As such, he is **extremely** unlikely to do anything that might in any way reduce the President’s power or standing. > [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/27/john-bolton-trumpimpeachment-hero-229882](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/27/john-bolton-trumpimpeachment-hero-229882) But he’s not an idiot, and he is very much interested in the expansion of US power abroad, and it obvious that Trump continuing in office is counter to that. I think his ideal world would be the US as Rome with Caesar at the head, and that isn’t going to happen with Caligula in charge. I would actually argue that your post boosts my argument, in that it his support for Carter demonstrates his belief in ideology over partisanship. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5768 "2019-11-28T13:46:00Z")
Trump won’t be impeached. Either he’ll “win” the voting or the House will opt for a censure or something like that instead of impeaching. [Even Schiff isn’t 100% sure of his vote](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471824-schiff-wants-to-discuss-with-constituents-before-deciding-on-impeachment). Trial in the senate would be devastating for the Democrats. Don’t get me wrong, this doesn’t mean Trump is innocent or anyhting like that, it’s that, politically, impeachment is bad for the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5769 "2019-11-28T14:26:50Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Don’t get me wrong, this doesn’t mean Trump is innocent or anyhting like that, it’s that, politically, impeachment is bad for the Democrats. I disagree. Impeachment, even if it results in acquittal, is important for establishing that there is some party that stands for the rule of law and maintains respect for American values and institutions. An unsuccessful impeachment is a short term win for Republicans, but it will cement the party as a group of amoral toadies for a dirty, unscrupulous leader. I think the eventual exoneration of Trump, while a satisfying win for the GOP, will backfire in November. The more Trump gloats about the “bullshit” (his words) witch hunts, the more the average American will long for dignity and decency in the White House. Sure, Republicans will eat it up, but people who identify as Republicans will continue to shrink. As has already been previewed in some of the midterm elections, the GOP is going to get especially killed in the suburbs come election time. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5770 "2019-11-28T14:40:27Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Trump won’t be impeached. Either he’ll “win” the voting or the House will opt for a censure or something like that instead of impeaching. [Even Schiff isn’t 100% sure of his vote](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471824-schiff-wants-to-discuss-with-constituents-before-deciding-on-impeachment). > Trial in the senate would be devastating for the Democrats. > Don’t get me wrong, this doesn’t mean Trump is innocent or anyhting like that, it’s that, politically, impeachment is bad for the Democrats. There is no question that Trump will be impeached. It will happen. There’s a strong probability that the impeachment trial will end in an acquittal tho. A senate trial will not be devastating for Democrats in the least. A majority of voters support impeachment already, and the ones that don’t aren’t going to change their minds. Comparing this situation to the backlash against Clinton’s impeachment is unsound. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5771 "2019-11-28T14:44:51Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Trump won’t be impeached. Either he’ll “win” the voting or the House will opt for a censure or something like that instead of impeaching. [Even Schiff isn’t 100% sure of his vote](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471824-schiff-wants-to-discuss-with-constituents-before-deciding-on-impeachment). I gotta say, Schiff’s comments to me read like theater. If he doesn’t vote for impeachment, I’ll eat my hat. But of course it’s good practice for him to talk with his constituents to find out what they’re thinking, since he is, y’know, **representing** them. There’s a chance the impeachment vote won’t go through, but I think that chance is very small. Polls show a slight inclination toward impeachment, and the voters who want that are concentrated in Dem districts. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5772 "2019-11-28T14:46:25Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I disagree. Impeachment, even if it results in acquittal, is important for establishing that there is some party that stands for the rule of law and maintains respect for American values and institutions. An unsuccessful impeachment is a short term win for Republicans, but it will cement the party as a group of amoral toadies for a dirty, unscrupulous leader. > > I think the eventual exoneration of Trump, while a satisfying win for the GOP, will backfire in November. The more Trump gloats about the “bullshit” (his words) witch hunts, the more the average American will long for dignity and decency in the White House. Sure, Republicans will eat it up, but people who identify as Republicans will continue to shrink. As has already been previewed in some of the midterm elections, the GOP is going to get especially killed in the suburbs come election time. > [@friedo](#): > > There is no question that Trump will be impeached. It will happen. There’s a strong probability that the impeachment trial will end in an acquittal tho. > > A senate trial will not be devastating for Democrats in the least. A majority of voters support impeachment already, and the ones that don’t aren’t going to change their minds. Comparing this situation to the backlash against Clinton’s impeachment is unsound. If there is a trial in the Senate, dominated by the GOP, they will make it about Biden and the dems, and will be a disaster. YOu don’t want that if you’re a dem. Cut your loses, censure him and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5773 "2019-11-28T14:52:43Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > There is no question that Trump will be impeached. It will happen. There’s a strong probability that the impeachment trial will end in an acquittal tho. > > A senate trial will not be devastating for Democrats in the least. A majority of voters support impeachment already, and the ones that don’t aren’t going to change their minds. Comparing this situation to the backlash against Clinton’s impeachment is unsound. I agree. I don’t think there are a lot of Americans out there who just aren’t sure if Trump is a crook or not and they are anxiously awaiting word from the wise Senate before they decide. If Trump is acquitted he is certainly going to push the “I’m innocent!” narrative but if it’s a party-line vote I don’t think people are going to say it was fair and impartial. Trump is going to end up being innocent in the same way OJ Simpson is. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5774 "2019-11-28T14:53:26Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > If there is a trial in the Senate, dominated by the GOP, they will make it about Biden and the dems, and will be a disaster. YOu don’t want that if you’re a dem. > Cut your loses, censure him and be done with it. Biden (in my ever so humble opinion) will not end up being the Democratic nominee, so it won’t hurt the Dems. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5775 "2019-11-28T14:58:38Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > If there is a trial in the Senate, dominated by the GOP, they will make it about Biden and the dems, and will be a disaster. YOu don’t want that if you’re a dem. > Cut your loses, censure him and be done with it. That’s not how impeachment trials work. The “prosecution” is composed of managers appointed by the House, and the president will have a team of defense lawyers. The Senate serves as the jury and has little to no role in setting the trial agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5776 "2019-11-28T15:45:31Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Continuing my from previous post on Trump directing Giuliani… > > Since as far back as the NATO kerfuffle in 2018, where if you remember Trump briefly considered, or at least brought up, the idea of leaving NATO because countries weren’t paying their fair share, we’ve known Trump has an aversion to other countries “cheating” the U.S. out of money. Trump is happy as president pretty much ignoring the rest of the world except when he has to go to a global summit, or lay a wreath at Flanders Field. But then he gets wind of the fact that Ukraine might be getting millions of dollars in military aid, and his ears perk up. > > Mark Sandy, the only person from the OMB to [testify](https://www.vox.com/2019/11/27/20985454/impeachment-trump-ukraine-aid-timeline-news) behind closed doors to impeachment investigators: > > Suppose, just suppose, that after hearing about this, Trump sees a way to actually do something as president, and it’s based on the one thing he measures his worth by: money. He demands a hold be put on the aid until he can look into it, and being the master of the art of the deal, can then decide whether it’s a good idea and makes sense for the U.S. Only after this does Giuliani come to Trump with his master plan to take down Biden. Trump thinks, why the hell not, and then has his call with Zelensky. He is both truly concerned about a corrupt (in his head) Ukraine maybe getting aid it doesn’t deserve, _and_ now interested in political advantage that can be gained with the whole Biden thing. > > A key thing here is when did Giuliani go to Trump with the Biden angle? If it was before Trump heard about the aid, then that delivers a huge blow to the above. Ah, but what if it was after?! > > Is this completely far-fetched? I’ve only put about as much time into thinking about it as it took me to write it down. But I would not say the answer to that question is a definitive “yes”. One way of course to know more about what happened is to get others involved to testify. But no, in the rush to get the impeachment over before Xmas, the Dems decided to only go through the motions to a pretty big degree, and to just look like they were doing there job vis-a-vis impeachment. I’m pretty sure of one thing though: even if the above is totally nuts, it’s what we’re gonna here once the senate trial (hopefully) starts. Occam’s Razor wept. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5777 "2019-11-28T16:25:18Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Trump won’t be impeached. Either he’ll “win” the voting or the House will opt for a censure or something like that instead of impeaching. [Even Schiff isn’t 100% sure of his vote](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471824-schiff-wants-to-discuss-with-constituents-before-deciding-on-impeachment). > Trial in the senate would be devastating for the Democrats. > Don’t get me wrong, this doesn’t mean Trump is innocent or anyhting like that, it’s that, politically, impeachment is bad for the Democrats. In Japan (when I lived there, at least), the police knew who was a crook and up to no good. As such, if they suspected that you had done something, they beat you into a confession and then then judge would sentence you on the basis of that confession. In the US, the police know who the crooks are. But they just have to look at them and let them go. They have to wait until that person is fingered in some actual crime, first. And then they have to gather evidence that supports the accusation and take it to court. And then despite having an actual crime and evidence to back the charge, they might have to let the crook go if the jury doesn’t believe them or the court finds some technical defect in their work. In the US, we pay our police to do the hard thing and hold the rules over their belief of the public welfare. In Congress, they swore an oath to uphold the rules as written in the Constitution. The Constitution says that you must impeach and remove the President for Treason, Bribery, Emoluments, and High Crimes and Misdemeanors. If impeachment is bad for your party, because the American public is punishing the politicians for doing their sworn duty, then the people need to be penalized and corrected for misbehavior. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5778 "2019-11-28T16:57:36Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > If there is a trial in the Senate, dominated by the GOP, they will make it about Biden and the dems, and will be a disaster. YOu don’t want that if you’re a dem. > Cut your loses, censure him and be done with it. So let them make it a circus about Biden. That makes them look even worse. It will be obvious they’re not addressing the actual issues put forward in the articles of impeachment, and it will be obvious that all the “evidence” they’re putting forward against Biden is bullshit. At this point, this isn’t about winning the impeachment vote in the Senate, it’s about making those GOP senators own their own corruption and lack of moral fiber. The more BS they pile on trying to save Trump, the more people who might not have voted in the next election get fired up enough to actually vote. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5779 "2019-11-28T17:04:01Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > So let them make it a circus about Biden. That makes them look even worse. Where have you been the last couple of years? _Looking worse in the eyes of Democrats doesn’t hurt them, and it might even help them_. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5780 "2019-11-28T17:16:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Where have you been the last couple of years? > _Looking worse in the eyes of Democrats doesn’t hurt them, and it might even help them_. I’ve given up on convincing current Republican voters of anything. I’m putting my hopes in a sufficient number of non-voters getting pissed off enough to vote against him. The Democrats had 3 million more votes the last time, and it wasn’t enough. They need more, and letting Republican politicians out themselves as the utter bastards they are is they only way I can see to get those votes. Sure, it may not work, but then again, nothing else we’ve tried has worked, either. If it doesn’t work, then the Great American Experiment is officially a failure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=288) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=290)