# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/581 "2019-09-26T15:22:49Z")
Swalwell is doing a good job. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/582 "2019-09-26T15:25:26Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Which “enemies” do you think President Trump may have adhered to / given aid and comfort to? Are you serious? Putin and Kim, less so MBS. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/583 "2019-09-26T15:26:39Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You mean ‘minority’, right? I’m pretty sure a solid majority of the public is against impeaching Trump: It’s neat how quickly things change in this age of the internet and a fast-moving story about Trump’s corruption breaking. [Americans support the impeachment inquiry into Trump](https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-americans-support-trump-impeachment-inquiry-worry-about-blowback-2019-9) So yeah, majority. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/584 "2019-09-26T15:26:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Are you serious? Putin and Kim. Don’t be ridiculous. He didn’t “aid and abet” them. He just gave them a handy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/585 "2019-09-26T15:29:55Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > It’s neat how quickly things change in this age of the internet and a fast-moving story about Trump’s corruption breaking. > > [Americans support the impeachment inquiry into Trump](https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-americans-support-trump-impeachment-inquiry-worry-about-blowback-2019-9) > > So yeah, majority. This is very heartening, and this has only just started. I’m hopeful this number will get much higher. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/586 "2019-09-26T15:31:19Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > dems: President Trump is a Russian stooge. He’s doing Putin’s bidding. > Also dems: President Trump is giving lethal military aid to Ukraine to help them kill Russians and that’s a “bribe”. > > :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I’ve probably been ninjaed on this but… CONGRESS gave military aid to Ukraine. Trump tried to withhold it. And the accusations against the Bidens are ridiculous. Yes, the prosecutor (Shokin) was investigating an oligarch that owned the company that Hunter Biden eventually worked with. But the issue seemed to be that the prosecutor WASNT honestly investigating the guy. The owner of the company (Zlochevsky) was accused of embezzling 23 million dollars from the Ukrainian people. These funds were seized by the U.K. and being held there. The US was involved in trying to get the money returned to the Ukrainian people.The corrupt prosecutor took actions that resulted in the stolen money being returned to the accused embezzler. This pissed off the U.K and the US. These were the actions that started the international pressure that resulted in Shokin being fired. So it’s actually the opposite of what Trump was suggesting. The corrupt prosecutor was helping Zlochevsky, not “going after him”. Not that there’s much real evidence linking Biden and Zlochevsky, who had fled the country before Biden started working in the Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/587 "2019-09-26T15:36:40Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > It’s neat how quickly things change in this age of the internet and a fast-moving story about Trump’s corruption breaking. > > [Americans support the impeachment inquiry into Trump](https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-americans-support-trump-impeachment-inquiry-worry-about-blowback-2019-9) > > So yeah, majority. Weird… What’s this? New poll: Majority of Americans against impeachment and removal of Trump > **[New poll: Majority of Americans against impeachment and removal of Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/25/new-quinnipiac-poll-shows-americans-dont-want-trump-impeached-removed/2438970001/)** > > A Quinnipiac poll was conducted while controversy surrounded Donald Trump over whether he had pressured a Ukrainian leader to investigate Joe Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/588 "2019-09-26T15:41:01Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Weird… What’s this? > > New poll: Majority of Americans against impeachment and removal of Trump > > [Impeachment: Poll shows most Americans don't want Trump removed](https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2438970001) A lot can happen in a day. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/589 "2019-09-26T15:41:02Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Cite? :dubious: > [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > It appears to have actually gotten worse. If I’m reading this right, $100,000 is now in the 86th percentile. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That’s gonna be a “no” from me. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yeah, you’re proposing President Trump might nuke San Francisco. That’s insane! And there’s no need to “sure focking hope” because you ARE wrong. Please see [post #533:](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21882664&postcount=533) > [@Bone](#): > > Everyone - These, and subsequent replies are hijacks so please drop them in this thread. The same goes for discussions about the ACA, and general tax discussion. > > [/moderating] This is a fast moving thread and these instructions could have been missed, so I am reiterating them. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Don’t be ridiculous. He didn’t “aid and abet” them. He just gave them a handy. Please do not go too far into the gutter. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/590 "2019-09-26T15:42:41Z")
One poll is about having an impeachment inquiry, and the other poll is about supporting an impeachment itself-two different questions. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/591 "2019-09-26T15:43:49Z")
That is disheartening, especially because it’s Quinnipiac, not SurveyMonkey like the other poll. It’s saying that, over Sept 19-23, very few Republican voters supported impeachment and removal, while some Democratic voters agreed with them. Not too surprising, really. “Removal,” at this point, let alone on Sept. 19, is a lot to ask, especially for Republican voters. This will surely evolve. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/592 "2019-09-26T15:45:46Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Please see [post #533:](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21882664&postcount=533) > > This is a fast moving thread and these instructions could have been missed, so I am reiterating them. > Please do not go too far into the gutter. > > [/moderating] Yeah missed that. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/593 "2019-09-26T15:48:06Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Please do not go too far into the gutter. > [/moderating] I hear ya. But I’m not the one driving. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/594 "2019-09-26T15:50:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is very heartening, and this has only just started. I’m hopeful this number will get much higher. A little while back \*\*Richard Parker \*\*[started a thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825959) about what it would take to support impeachment. My thought then was that direct personal involvement was necessary for impeachment. If the reports are accurate as described (and it’s difficult for me to follow all of the developments so quickly), then I would support impeachment and removal. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/595 "2019-09-26T15:51:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Are you serious? Putin and Kim, less so MBS. You should look up the definition of “enemies” for purposes of treason. Maybe you’ll learn something today. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/596 "2019-09-26T15:55:03Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > That is disheartening, especially because it’s Quinnipiac, not SurveyMonkey like the other poll. It’s saying that, over Sept 19-23, very few Republican voters supported impeachment and removal, while some Democratic voters agreed with them. > > Not too surprising, really. “Removal,” at this point, let alone on Sept. 19, is a lot to ask, especially for Republican voters. This will surely evolve. The SurveyMonkey poll is pretty good because it breaks down Inquiry vs. Impeachment vs. Removal, as opposed to the Quinnipiac poll that jumps start to Removal. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/597 "2019-09-26T15:57:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You should look up the definition of “enemies” for purposes of treason. Maybe you’ll learn something today. Help a brutha out here. What definition are you using? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/598 "2019-09-26T15:57:33Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Weird… What’s this? An older poll. Yours “was conducted between Sept. 19 and 23.” The poll I referenced was “collected September 25-26.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/599 "2019-09-26T15:58:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > One poll is about having an impeachment inquiry, and the other poll is about supporting an impeachment itself-two different questions. Also, one is from several days ago. The other includes respondents yesterday and today. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/600 "2019-09-26T16:00:09Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I linked to a handful of Twitter accounts that spell things out for how Democratic leadership have been planning. I suggest people read them. Good stuff. A few comments: > [@](#): > > The goal is not simply to impeach; the goal is to saddle the Senate with an ironclad case that forces them to either convict Trump or be exposed as aiding and abetting a compromised/criminal POTUS. I’ve long thought this should be a priority. Accept the fact that Trump is probably not going to be ousted in a criminal trial, but hope that the evidence is so clear that he should be, that enough Republican senators will be voted out so that the Democrats regain control of the Senate. > [@](#): > > In the meantime, House Dems will continue building the OTHER part of their case, the one they’ve been working on since April. Namely, they will continue litigating their subpoenas seeking Trump’s financial records from his tax advisors (Mazars) and his bankers (Deutsche Bank). > > … > > What [they] will find, and I’m 100% sure they already know this better than I do, is that Trump is a tax fraud and virtually his entire fortune (however large or small it may actually be) has come from bribes and money laundering for Russian oligarchs and Saudi royals. I’ve also long thought that the primary reason Trump doesn’t want his financial info exposed is because it will show him to not be a billionaire, certainly not to the tune of 5-10 billion as he has suggested in the past, but rather only relatively wealthy. His whole notion of himself that he wants the public to believe is of him as a master negotiator and businessman, which has allowed him to licence his name for millions upon millions of dollars over the decades. If that illusion is destroyed, so is he. I’m not up on the whole Deutsche Bank investigation, but it seems to me that if Trump’s fortune has come from such bribery as quoted above, this would have not of happened over night, it has been going on for years and maybe decades, and there is no way evidence of such would have gone unnoticed for all that time. I will be extremely surprised if Trump has done these things. Perhaps his returns might so instances of tax fraud and the like, but not that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=31)