# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6001 "2019-12-08T23:15:02Z")

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> [@sfriver](#):
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> Trump, chief law enforcer of the U.S., has tried to get an investigation underway …

Wow! Did Trump hold up military aid until Ukraine started an investigation into his personal lawyer’s business with the Ukrainian mob? Now that’s front page news!

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6002 "2019-12-08T23:25:48Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> If Trump was truly concerned that Biden might have broken the law, he would have referred any evidence to US law enforcement officials. He didn’t - he asked another country to do it. That’s because he had no evidence and is only worried about politics. If he had evidence, he’d present it, and law enforcement would be investigating.

Actually, Trump did not even care if the other country did an investigation. Trump wanted Ukraine to ANNOUNCE in public (on CNN) that they would investigate. That’s all he cared about. The announcement was designed to damage his political opponent. An actual investigation was not required by Trump.

And as others have stated - repeating Russian propaganda from a Russian propaganda site to defend Trump, who is currently working on behalf of the Russians is not really that convincing.

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**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6003 "2019-12-08T23:31:40Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> Actually, Trump did not even care if the other country did an investigation. Trump wanted Ukraine to ANNOUNCE in public (on CNN) that they would investigate. That’s all he cared about…

Yep. He saw the effect Comey’s announcement had on his then opponent, and wanted a repeat. Because Trump, like most Republicans, can’t win a fair election and is aware of that fact.

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**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6004 "2019-12-09T00:05:46Z")

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> [@sfriver](#):
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> [Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP](https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html)

…from your cite:

> [@](#):
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> Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, “ **describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr.** ” at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine’s press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.
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> “This was the transfer of Burisma Group’s funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company **Rosemont Seneca Partners** , which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is **affiliated with Biden**. The payment reference was payment for consultative services,” Derkach said.
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> He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.

Are you actually interested in the facts?

The $900,000 was transferred to Rosemont Seneca Partners. The claim is made that Rosemount is “affiliated” with Biden, Rosemont is clearly affiliated with **Hunter** Biden but I can’t find any connection with Joe Biden nor can I find any evidence that the transfer ended up in the hands of Joe Biden either. This is all deceptive sleight of hand by [Andriy Derkach](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrii_Derkach), whom has been described by peers as "not credible” and called a “professional disinformer.”

Can you provide the documents that Derkach claims to have possession of? Can you show that that money ended up in the hands of Joe Biden?

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6005 "2019-12-09T00:09:57Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> …Are you actually interested in the facts?
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> …

My guess would be _no_.

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**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6006 "2019-12-09T00:32:16Z")

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> [@sfriver](#):
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> Trump, chief law enforcer of the U.S., has tried to get an investigation underway but the democrats all cry Trump is only targeting political opponents. Biden is using running for office to shield an investigation.

So you have information that Joe Biden committed a crime and you’re certain that it’s true and merits investigation, but you’re also sure that the FBI isn’t investigating the subject even though that’s their job, even though they arrest a fairly equal spread of liberal and conservative p politicians each year and have for the last many decades, and their boss certainly would like them to do so?

You might want to review whatever reasoning allowed you to come to that stance since that stance is about equivalent to saying that you know that X flavored ice cream is the ultimate and best flavor of ice cream and, dammit, there’s a conspiracy at Baskin Robbins not to make it! Those evil people!

If someone made that statement to you, about ice cream, which of these two flavors is more likely to be X?

1. Cinnamon
2. Headcheese

Maybe it’s not a conspiracy by Baskin Robbins?

It is corrupt for the President to ask the FBI to investigate his political opponent. And it is corrupt for the President to try and conduct that investigation through his second personal lawyer to be under Federal investigation by the FBI.

The Democrats might well be attacking Trump for corrupt reasons but that doesn’t mean that there are no plainly just and moral reasons to make those same attacks.

This is not a Hollywood movie. Having a narrative that Joe Biden is the evil Hellspawn of Satan and that anything is fair in the aim of taking him down is fantasy. You watch too much TV and too much opinion commentary.

On TV, it is fair for the “good guys” to shoot out the windows of their car while driving a hundred miles per hour on the freeway. In real life, that’s criminal. They’re murdering more Innocents than they’re saving. And, fundamentally, we’re talking about a fantasy setting where there are legitimately “good guys” and “bad guys”.

In the real world, both sides can be corrupt and horrible. In the real world, you can be chearing for your favorite football team thinking, “Yeah, you guys, go out there and WIN WIN WIN!” And you’re happy when they do, ignoring that half of the lot of them have been accused of sex crimes, that most of them are having their brains destroyed, and most of them are going to come out of all of this in debt and with sex and drug addictions. You’re just cheering on a bunch of bad people who are mostly ruining their own and others lives.

If you enjoy ignoring reality, in the name of entertainment, keep it to fiction.

But if you want to actually talk about reality then, again, go ahead and name all of Trump’s friends that he has put in jail, explain to me why you believe that extortion, bribery, abuse of power, etc. shouldn’t be considered crimes, and explain to me why the President can’t leave it to the FBI to investigate the things that we all can be pretty certain the FBI is aware of given that they also have access to the public news reporting of the nation.

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**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6007 "2019-12-09T01:17:11Z")

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> [@sfriver](#):
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> Investigate possible kickbacks Biden and others have received from Ukraine.  
> Biden has taken $900,000 from Ukraine lobbyists. Is that no concern to you?
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> Im sure you have heard Biden tell the story of how he used a billion dollars in taxpayer aid to get a prosecutor fired. That would be fine if it were for American interests, but they seem like personal interests **when it happens to be the prosecutor investigating his son’s company in Ukraine.** …

Just to tease out one aspect of the Trump/Kremlin propaganda about Biden that’s repeated in the post quoted above (my bolding):

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> • Biden did want Shokin fired, but western leaders had widely criticized the prosecutor general as corrupt and ineffective. Biden was leading a widespread consensus in asking for removal.
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> • A former Ukrainian official said the investigation into Burisma was dormant under Shokin.
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> There is evidence that many Western leaders and institutions, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption activists, viewed Shokin as corrupt and ineffective for failing to prosecute anybody of significance, and for protecting members of Yanukovych’s and Poroshenko’s circles.  
> When Shokin was fired in the spring of 2016, press reports explicitly linked his ouster to corruption.
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> Steven Pifer, a career foreign service officer who held positions in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, previously told PolitiFact that “virtually everyone” he knew in the U.S. government and virtually all non-governmental experts on Ukraine “felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired.”  
> “All decent people were in favor of Shokin’s sacking,” Anders Åslund, a resident fellow at the Atlantic Council told PolitiFact. “Biden led a Western/anticorruption consensus.”
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> Shokin did inherit some of the investigations into Burisma and owner Zlochevsky. Recently, Shokin said in a statement that his refusal to formally close the investigations led to his ouster.
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> But Vitaliy Kasko, who served as Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation until he resigned in protest, told Bloomberg in 2019 that, under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma remained dormant. Kasko said the matter was “shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015,” and Bloomberg reported that documents backed up his account. …

> **[Trump ad misleads about Biden, Ukraine and the prosecutor](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/11/donald-trump/trump-ad-misleads-about-biden-ukraine-and-prosecut/)**
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> A campaign ad from President Donald Trump claims it has "facts" about the Bidens and Ukraine, but instead mashes ideas t

So the prosecutor Biden helped get fired, Shokin, was fired because he was NOT investigating the company Biden’s son worked for (or any other).

Biden’s action in firing Shokin _ **increased** _ the chances that Biden’s son’s company might be investigated (by a less-corrupt prosecutor who would succeed Shokin). Thus Biden’s action was the opposite of protecting his son.

A problem for those attempting to spread propaganda, is that the actual facts undercut the propaganda so neatly and so completely.

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**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6008 "2019-12-09T01:30:09Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> [Andriy Derkach](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrii_Derkach), whom has been described by peers as "not credible” and called a “professional disinformer.”

Let’s also note:

[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21985447&postcount=181](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21985447&postcount=181)

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**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6009 "2019-12-09T02:49:45Z")

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Just spotted this op-ed from several days ago (Dec. 5, ancient history already), but I don’t see it mentioned in this thread yet: Laurence H. Tribe says Trump has become a dictator:

[Democrats are debating a dangerous false choice on impeachment](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/05/democrats-are-debating-dangerous-false-choice-impeachment/), Laurence H. Tribe, _Washington Post_, Dec. 5, 2019.

> [@Laurence H. Tribe](#):
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> A president whose Justice Department says he cannot be indicted, whose White House counsel says he cannot even be investigated and whose lawyers say he can block the executive branch from participating in the impeachment process is a president who has become a dictator. None of us can feel safe in such a regime.

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**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6010 "2019-12-09T02:58:29Z")

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> [@Senegoid](#):
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> Just spotted this op-ed from several days ago (Dec. 5, ancient history already), but I don’t see it mentioned in this thread yet: Laurence H. Tribe says Trump has become a dictator:
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> [Democrats are debating a dangerous false choice on impeachment](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/05/democrats-are-debating-dangerous-false-choice-impeachment/), Laurence H. Tribe, _Washington Post_, Dec. 5, 2019.

Strangely, but I think more telling was this story:

> **['Cannot make this sh\*t up’: Battle erupts over gender of military dog Conan -...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=2781225)**
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> The gender of the military canine who participated in the raid that resulted in the death of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi has become a controversial topic since it has been labeled as both a male and female.Conan, who is a Belgian Malinois and a...

And a picture of the dog’s undercarriage:

[https://images.app.goo.gl/6NeCT8Met6U3q3FY7](https://images.app.goo.gl/6NeCT8Met6U3q3FY7)

That’s really some, “The Great Leader does not poo.”, sort of nonsense and people are being promoted and fired in our government and military based on their willingness to go along with denials of blatant reality. Whether the dog has a dick is not subjective.

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**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6011 "2019-12-09T03:07:20Z")

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The idea that Hunter Biden had the keys to the kingdom at Burisma is silly to begin with.

I work for a company. That company has board members. I am sure these are powerful and influential people. However, I do not know them by sight. If one of them came up to me and said “I’m with the board and I need your login so I can do something you need not concern yourself with” I’d report it immediately.

As Trump is finding out, when you are trying to do corrupt things you’d better have all asses on board or else the people who don’t agree with corruption are going to do stuff like write it down, blow whistles, talk to lawyers, testify to Congress, stuff like that.

But the supposed narrative is that Hunter Biden took about a million bucks (which is pocket change to people who are already rich) and Burisma just shrugged and said “oh well, he’s the US Vice President’s son, nothing we can do about it”? And to put a cherry on top they waited for Rudy fucking Guiliani to come to their rescue? If you believe that I’ve got a bridge over the Donets river you’ll be intersted in.

Also, if an investigation automatically equals guilt sufficient to keep one from office, remind me again how many investigations are currently going on right now into Donald J. Trump?

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**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6012 "2019-12-09T03:41:08Z")

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> [@Sage\_Rat](#):
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> Strangely, but I think more telling was this story:
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> [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cannot-make-this-sh-t-up-battle-erupts-over-gender-of-military-dog-conan](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cannot-make-this-sh-t-up-battle-erupts-over-gender-of-military-dog-conan)
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> And a picture of the dog’s undercarriage:
> 
> [https://images.app.goo.gl/6NeCT8Met6U3q3FY7](https://images.app.goo.gl/6NeCT8Met6U3q3FY7)
> 
> That’s really some, “The Great Leader does not poo.”, sort of nonsense and people are being promoted and fired in our government and military based on their willingness to go along with denials of blatant reality. Whether the dog has a dick is not subjective.

On a second check, it looks like Conan’s belly skin was folded over in this photo, by his harness, obscuring the matter and that I was in fact wrong. There’s a better photo where it’s clear that he got schwang.

So, change this commentary to the Sharpie fiasco.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6013 "2019-12-09T14:01:50Z")

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One can only be pleased and grateful to have new and exciting sources of information! Kudos then to **sfriver** for bringing to light sources I had not even heard of, never mind their status as firmly reliable and worthy of sober attention.

I note with interest the _California Political Review_, linked above, for the insight offered.

**Sen. Mitt Romney Former Aide on Board of Ukrainian Firm That Bought Off Biden**

> [@](#):
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> Now we know why Sen. Romney is upset about Trump trying to get to the bottom of the Ukrainian/Biden scandal. The legacy media is hiding a VERY significant fact. A former aide to Romney is on the Board of the Ukrainian energy company that bought off Hunter Biden. That is why VP Joe Biden demanded the end to the investigation into his son—it would also drag in Mitt Romney!..

Sen. Romney? Your bus is here…

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**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6014 "2019-12-09T14:20:19Z")

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re WH/Trump attorneys won’t participate today… what were the details of the invitation? Is it reasonable for them to argue that the Committee put too many restrictions on them?

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6015 "2019-12-09T14:29:28Z")

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> [@elucidator](#):
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> One can only be pleased and grateful to have new and exciting sources of information! Kudos then to **sfriver** for bringing to light sources I had not even heard of, never mind their status as firmly reliable and worthy of sober attention.
> 
> I note with interest the _California Political Review_, linked above, for the insight offered.
> 
> **Sen. Mitt Romney Former Aide on Board of Ukrainian Firm That Bought Off Biden**
> 
> Sen. Romney? Your bus is here…

Sounds like it’s the short bus, based on that line of reasoning. That there is some Pizzagate-level nonsense.

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**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6016 "2019-12-09T15:04:47Z")

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> [@What\_the](#):
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> re WH/Trump attorneys won’t participate today… what were the details of the invitation? Is it reasonable for them to argue that the Committee put too many restrictions on them?

You’re asking the wrong question. Here’s the entire text of the letter the WH counsel sent to Chairman Nadler:

> [@](#):
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> As you know, your impeachment inquiry is completely baseless and has violated basic principles of due process and fundamental fairness. Nevertheless, the Speaker of the House yesterday ordered House Democrats to proceed with articles of impeachment before your Committee has heard a single shred of evidence.
> 
> House Democrats have wasted enough of America’s time with this charade. You should end this inquiry now and not waste even more time with additional hearings. Adopting articles of impeachment would be a reckless abuse of power by House Democrats, and would constitute the most unjust, highly partisan, and unconstitutional attempt at impeachment in our Nation’s history. Whatever course you choose, as the President has recently stated: “if you are going to impeach me, do it now, fast, so we can have a fair trial in the Senate, and so that our Country can get back to business.”

They’re not citing any specific rules that they feel are unfair, – they’re not citing anything at all. It’s just a whiny rant.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6017 "2019-12-09T15:33:36Z")

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The Republican party’s theme song for this hearing:

[Groucho Marx - I’m Against It](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHash5takWU)

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**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6018 "2019-12-09T15:52:07Z")

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> [@steronz](#):
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> You’re asking the wrong question. Here’s the entire text of the letter the WH counsel sent to Chairman Nadler:
> 
> They’re not citing any specific rules that they feel are unfair, – they’re not citing anything at all. It’s just a whiny rant.

And yet…it worked.

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**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6019 "2019-12-09T15:54:27Z")

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> [@elucidator](#):
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> One can only be pleased and grateful to have new and exciting sources of information! Kudos then to **sfriver** for bringing to light sources I had not even heard of, never mind their status as firmly reliable and worthy of sober attention.
> 
> I note with interest the _California Political Review_, linked above, for the insight offered.
> 
> **Sen. Mitt Romney Former Aide on Board of Ukrainian Firm That Bought Off Biden**
> 
> Sen. Romney? Your bus is here…

Wow. And I heard that Bernie Sanders’ cousin once ate a plate of chicken Kiev. Lock Bernie up!

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**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6020 "2019-12-09T16:02:15Z")

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> [@steronz](#):
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> You’re asking the wrong question. Here’s the entire text of the letter the WH counsel sent to Chairman Nadler:
> 
> They’re not citing any specific rules that they feel are unfair, – they’re not citing anything at all. It’s just a whiny rant.

Woody Allen had [something to say about political trials](https://youtu.be/sYp9WtbMo2k?t=28) all the way back in 1971.

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