# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 313
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6241 "2019-12-15T21:54:24Z")
I don’t see Pelosi letting a non Dem run the show. They may allow him to help present the case. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6242 "2019-12-15T23:28:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > … I predict signs of a mild recession by the Spring. The Fed will react with QE and big interest rate cuts. Trump will abandon his trade war and call for big stimulus. Dems will be in a dilemma: the stimulus will be irresponsible but the Dems will be the Grinch who stole Christmas if they vote No. The economy will muddle along but with an unprecedented and **ever-growing debt bubble** ; Trump will be re-elected. Then, as **concern grows about the debt bubble** , expect a world-wide wave of recessions, defaults and devaluations over the next decade. This will be greeted with delight by many on the right: finally, their chance to end all Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid! Paul Ryan will be ecstatic. > [@jsc1953](#): > > Excellent point. I would dearly love for the next debate to stop yammering about health care for a moment, and a **sk all the candidates: what legislation would you propose that would prevent the abuses** of the Trump Administration from happening again? They don’t want to do anything that would lessen the power of the office they hope to hold. Each and every one of them would say ‘I\* will need that power to undo what Trump has done; I can be trusted with that power because I am a Good Person\*.’ It’s a real problem. No President will go along with restricting the power of the Presidency. > [@octopus](#): > > The problem with obeying the words in the constitution is that it’s possible to lack any integrity at all and deconstruct and redefine language to mean anything the powerful want it to mean. Furthermore, for whatever reason, powerful institutions attract the most power hungry and least restrained individuals. **This is the whole idea behind institutional checks and balances.** > > We the voters should hold the government accountable but when we benefit from abuses of power we tend to succumb to that conflict of interest and look the other way. I agree with 100% of your post. [all emphasis in the quotes is mine] ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6243 "2019-12-16T00:16:04Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > there is such a thing as a pyrrhic victory and I would note that for as bad as Trump might be, he’s a symptom of the system and none of the Democrats on offer have proposed even a single adjustment for it. ISTM that the changes Warren and Sanders have proposed go pretty far. Not sure what kind of ‘adjustment’ you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6244 "2019-12-16T00:55:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I predict signs of a mild recession by the Spring. The Fed will react with QE and big interest rate cuts. Trump will abandon his trade war and call for big stimulus. Dems will be in a dilemma: the stimulus will be irresponsible but the Dems will be the Grinch who stole Christmas if they vote No. The solution is for the Democrats to propose a really huge stimulus with lots of progressive sugarplums. Make the Republicans the grinch. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6245 "2019-12-16T05:14:18Z")
How are we supposed to pay for this stimulus when we’re already running Trillion dollar deficits? The next recession is going to really suck. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6246 "2019-12-16T05:33:44Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The problem with obeying the words in the constitution is that it’s possible to lack any integrity at all and deconstruct and redefine language to mean anything the powerful want it to mean. Furthermore, for whatever reason, powerful institutions attract the most power hungry and least restrained individuals. This is the whole idea behind institutional checks and balances. Or, doing your part as a voter and not voting for crooks and cranks? 🙂 No system works against people who fundamentally don’t care and who are willing to lie and cheat 100% to get their way. It’s like expecting cats to move in a nice and orderly line in the direction you want them to go, because you asked them to politely. That’s not how it works. Checks and balances may be wonderful and all, but electing people with integrity is the real solution. And I would say that if you believe that you have an argument against that, you are wrong and you are not helping. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6247 "2019-12-16T07:52:03Z")
Some it seems many analysts are sure that the course for the impeachment is quite clear: Trump will continue blocking his cronies from testifying, the senate will acquit and public opinion will probably not move much. What’s the chance of a curve ball now? I still feel that if his tax returns or the full transcript were released, there just might be something so damning even the fox bubble can’t keep it out. Is it out of the question that any of those court cases get expedited? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6248 "2019-12-16T08:04:34Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > How are we supposed to pay for this stimulus when we’re already running Trillion dollar deficits? The next recession is going to really suck. Yes, but that’s the perverse incentive of a political system like America’s - you get to run up stimulus spending and pass the hot potato of debt and deficit to the next administration, which is likely to be of the opposite political stripe as yours. So it’s a win-win: Not only do you get an economic boost during your term in office, but your opponents get whammied by a recession during theirs. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6249 "2019-12-16T11:15:00Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Yes, but that’s the perverse incentive of a political system like America’s - **you get to run up stimulus spending and pass the hot potato of debt and deficit to the next administration** , which is likely to be of the opposite political stripe as yours. > > So it’s a win-win: Not only do you get an economic boost during your term in office, but your opponents get whammied by a recession during theirs. My bold. \*“You get to run up stimulus spending and pass the hot potato of debt and deficit to the next administration” \*-- Don’t forget: AND you get to blame your successors for the mess YOU created! 😃 Here’s the really good part: \*people believe you! \* Just tooooo sweet. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6250 "2019-12-16T11:23:36Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > How are we supposed to pay for this stimulus when we’re already running Trillion dollar deficits? The next recession is going to really suck. Depending on how long we continue on the current course, our next economic crisis could be like those in Argentina over the past few years. Sometimes, a minor recession here and there isn’t a bad thing. It allows governments and central banks an opportunity to reset fiscal policy. But with central banks perpetually taking into political considerations into account, they feed into fiscal irresponsibility that makes us feel good by pointing out that we’ve had 8 or 9 years of GDP growth, but ultimately prevents us from the very necessary process of resetting fiscal priorities. And so for that reason, I’d have to agree: the next recession could crush us. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6251 "2019-12-16T11:50:02Z")
Trump is claiming Pelosi’s teeth are falling out. Another example of his mental illness [Twitter Bites Back After Trump's Dig About Nancy Pelosi's Teeth 'Falling Out' | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-teeth_n_5df6e9d1e4b0ae01a1e279d2) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6252 "2019-12-16T13:53:30Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Apparently some Democrats are angling to get Justin Amash to serve as the impeachment manager. I don’t know much about him other than that he’s a conservative who opposes Trump and left the Republican party. So I guess he has an air of nonpartisanship about him. But if you were a Republican before Trump you still don’t rank all that high in my book, so I don’t trust him. > [https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1206282500303134727?s=19](https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1206282500303134727?s=19) Pelosi is going along with impeachment because a) Trump leaves her no choice, and b) because activist Democrats insist on it. But we all know it’s not going anywhere. A quick impeachment will probably be of relief to both Pelosi and Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6253 "2019-12-16T17:39:30Z")
Carly Fiorina came out for impeachment. I guess she doesn’t plan to run any more as GOP candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6254 "2019-12-16T17:42:42Z")
Welp, the House Judiciary Committee released a [658 page report on the impeachment](https://apnews.com/Trumpimpeachment). Which, let’s face it, none of us will read. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6255 "2019-12-16T18:03:23Z")
Per AP Radio News: the full House is expected to vote on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6256 "2019-12-16T18:24:41Z")
At this point, do Republican representatives face greater jeopardy from their voter base by supporting impeachment, or Democratic representatives by opposing impeachment? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6257 "2019-12-16T18:25:31Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Carly Fiorina came out for impeachment. I guess she doesn’t plan to run any more as GOP candidate. You forgot the kicker: she favors impeachment, _but she won’t rule out voting for Trump in 2020._ ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6258 "2019-12-16T20:17:37Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > ISTM that the changes Warren and Sanders have proposed go pretty far. Not sure what kind of ‘adjustment’ you’re looking for. Link? Outside of re-establishing the Office of Technology, that Warren proposed, I didn’t see anything. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6259 "2019-12-16T22:10:02Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > At this point, do Republican representatives face greater jeopardy from their voter base by supporting impeachment, or Democratic representatives by opposing impeachment? Yes. A smart and ethical Republican representative that might be inclined to support impeachment would do well to stop being a toady and lay out the case for impeachment to his/her constituents. Unfortunately, that requires work, ethics, and actually paying attention to your constituents. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6260 "2019-12-16T23:32:39Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Link? Outside of re-establishing the Office of Technology, that Warren proposed, I didn’t see anything. I didn’t know what to link TO - like I said, I really don’t know what kind of ‘adjustment’ you have in mind. I could come up with several, and you might tell me they’re all off topic, because _I don’t know what kind of ‘adjustment’ you think we need._ So if you could explain what changes you think we need, we can have a conversation. Otherwise, I’d just be spitballing in the dark. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=312) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=314)