# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 314
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6261 "2019-12-16T23:37:56Z")
Personally I can’t wait until the Senate puts the kibosh on this three-ring circus. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6262 "2019-12-17T00:17:52Z")
Why? It’s not like they have anything better to do. Hundreds of bills passed by the House sit ignored on the Kentucky turtle-demon’s desk, and he’s not ignoring them for lack of time. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6263 "2019-12-17T02:22:58Z")
Late in the fray - apologies that this was a page or two back, but _DAYUM_ - > [@Aspenglow](#): > > Does something make you think they won’t have a bigger turnout? > > In 2018, Republicans had record turnout for the mid-terms. And Dems blew them out of the water with their own turnout. You saw what happened there with the flipping of the House. > > Even in mid-mid-year elections such as in 2019, Dem enthusiasm and turnout is extraordinarily high. Note that Virginia turned blue and Kentucky elected a not-chosen-by-Trump governor. > > Nothing Republicans have done in the 3+ years of Trump has garnered greater support for Trump in 2020. Opposition remains strong and very, very fired up. If Trump wins in 2020, it will be because there was cheating. > > Look for: > > 1. Tulsi Gabbard to run a third party independent campaign, funded and aided in social media by Russia. She is very much the Jill Stein of 2020. > > 2. Russia to continue to amp up and exploit the deep wound via social media between Clinton/Biden supporters and Sanders supporters. Easy peasy, from what I’ve seen around this board. > > 3. They’re pushing their cable news network, RT, really hard right now, too. If you (the royal you) tune in, know you are watching pure Russian propaganda. > > 4. Relentless swift-boating of Biden. Same play book as Hillary. > > 5. Results of the Barr “investigation” into Biden/Ukraine dropped into the narrative to hit the public this summer. > > 6. Non-stop negative political ads running in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arizona and North Carolina. > > 7. Endless Fox “News” Hannity insanity, aided by Breitbart, InfoWars, etc. > > It is going to be so ugly. > > OTOH, if there was one election recently held that Vlad the Puppetmaster would have liked to sabotage and prevail in its outcome, it was the one in Ukraine – where Zelenskyy supporters garnered 73% of the vote. > > We _can_ fight against this. The predictions are that voter turnout for 2020 will be the highest in 100 years. At least this awesomeness - wrapped up in a nice, neat, bow - finally got acknowledged - thanks **Asp**! Not sure if we can draw any conclusions from the fact that the Russians evidently had a metric shit ton more success rat-fucking the elections of a country half way across the globe than some little shithole country right next door. > [@aldiboronti](#): > > …three-ring circus. Sure: Nunez, Collins, Jordan. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6264 "2019-12-17T02:37:27Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Personally I can’t wait until the Senate puts the kibosh on this three-ring circus. And gets to the bottom of more sane matters like BENGHAZI! finally. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6265 "2019-12-17T12:26:46Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > And gets to the bottom of more sane matters like BENGHAZI! finally. And pizzagate. Don’t forget pizzagate! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6266 "2019-12-17T12:32:46Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > And gets to the bottom of more sane matters like BENGHAZI! finally. > [@davidm](#): > > And pizzagate. Don’t forget pizzagate! No! No! Emails, emails! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6267 "2019-12-17T13:35:03Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Carly Fiorina came out for impeachment. I guess she doesn’t plan to run any more as GOP candidate. Silver lining there. > [@aldiboronti](#): > > Personally I can’t wait until the Senate puts the kibosh on this three-ring circus. I’m sorry that a Congressional investigation into an administration openly committing crimes is distracting you from more important things. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6268 "2019-12-17T14:07:19Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > And gets to the bottom of more sane matters like BENGHAZI! finally. You’ve got to do the chant right: HILLARY LIED (lean to the left) PEOPLE DIED (lean to the right) BENGHAZI! (sit up straight and give the touchdown signal) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6269 "2019-12-17T15:28:33Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > And gets to the bottom of more sane matters like BENGHAZI! finally. > [@davidm](#): > > And pizzagate. Don’t forget pizzagate! > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > No! No! Emails, emails! Feh. Small potatoes, all of them. They’re finally going to get to the bottom of finding Obama being born in Kenya so they can impeach _him_\* and cancel all of his accomplishments retroactively, including his Supreme court appointments. \*Take that, ya libtards! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6270 "2019-12-17T15:57:15Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Late in the fray - apologies that this was a page or two back, but _DAYUM_ - > > At least this awesomeness - wrapped up in a nice, neat, bow - finally got acknowledged - thanks **Asp**! > Not sure if we can draw any conclusions from the fact that the Russians evidently had a metric shit ton more success rat-fucking the elections of a country half way across the globe than some little shithole country right next door. > > \ Aww, thanks. But I overlooked to list one of the most important aspects of cheating Trump Republicans will employ to help the Russians: 1. Unbridled voter suppression, such as what just occurred in Wisconsin, removing 234,000 voters from their rolls and in Georgia, where they removed 300,000. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6271 "2019-12-17T16:03:47Z")
House vote still on for tomorrow? I’m so ready for this to be over and finish. Send it to the Senate, vote, either depose Trump or don’t, but man I don’t want waiting. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6272 "2019-12-17T16:08:19Z")
‘**[We Are Republicans, and We Want Trump Defeated](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html)**’ is the header of an interesting opinion piece in today’s New York Times (i.e. paywall or use up a free pageview). Authored by four ‘traditional’ (and powerful) Republicans - George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver and Rick Wilson - the article is a rallying call for > [@](#): > > “all Americans of all places, creeds and ways of life to join in the seminal task of our generation: restoring to this nation leadership and governance that respects the rule of law, recognizes the dignity of all people and defends the Constitution and American values at home and abroad”. I was especially taken by one paragraph: > [@](#): > > The American presidency transcends the individuals who occupy the Oval Office. Their personality becomes part of our national character. Their actions become our actions, for which we all share responsibility. Their willingness to act in accordance with the law and our tradition dictate how current and future leaders will act. Their commitment to order, civility and decency are reflected in American society. > > Mr. Trump fails to meet the bar for this commitment. . . These sentences encapsulate perfectly a fundamental reason why Trump and his enablers must be defeated. They have changed the face of America and replaced it with a grotesque mask that can only repel anyone, anywhere who treasures the ideals on which the nation was founded. At the end of the day, I suspect nothing much will come from this effort. Still, in an era where hope is often all we have, I hope I am wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6273 "2019-12-17T16:34:22Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > ‘**[We Are Republicans, and We Want Trump Defeated](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html)**’ is the header of an interesting opinion piece in today’s New York Times (i.e. paywall or use up a free pageview). Authored by four ‘traditional’ (and powerful) Republicans - George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver and Rick Wilson - the article is a rallying call for > > I was especially taken by one paragraph: These sentences encapsulate perfectly a fundamental reason why Trump and his enablers must be defeated. They have changed the face of America and replaced it with a grotesque mask that can only repel anyone, anywhere who treasures the ideals on which the nation was founded. > > At the end of the day, I suspect nothing much will come from this effort. Still, in an era where hope is often all we have, I hope I am wrong. I wish the Democrats would get on board with this and stop quibbling over left, centrist, progressive, moderate, blahblahblah. The important thing is to get a Democrat elected to the presidency and put the soon-to-be-ex OUT OF OFFICE. Who the fuck cares about the nuances among anyone who isn’t trump?? Any anyway, it doesn’t matter what any of them stand for, because unless the Dems take the Senate, not one blessed thing will get past Turtle McTurtleface, just like it hasn’t for the past 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6274 "2019-12-17T23:07:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I wish the Democrats would get on board with this and stop quibbling over left, centrist, progressive, moderate, blahblahblah. I’m cool with it now. This is when the cream should rise to the top and the Democrat with the best ideas is chosen by primary voters. Now, if people get butthurt and/or fall for right wing/ Russian propaganda and forget about Duverger’s Law again, I guess we’ll get what we deserve. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6275 "2019-12-17T23:23:32Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > ‘**[We Are Republicans, and We Want Trump Defeated](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html)**’ is the header of an interesting opinion piece in today’s New York Times (i.e. paywall or use up a free pageview). Pro-tip: Disable Javascript (and maybe you need to delete all accumulated cookies, I’m not sure) and you can read all the NYT you want, hassle-free! Also works for Washington Post, L. A. Times, and a whole lot of other sites too! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6276 "2019-12-17T23:30:47Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Pro-tip: Disable Javascript (and maybe you need to delete all accumulated cookies, I’m not sure) and you can read all the NYT you want, hassle-free! Also works for Washington Post, L. A. Times, and a whole lot of other sites too! Or you can just subscribe like I do. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6277 "2019-12-17T23:56:37Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > ‘**[We Are Republicans, and We Want Trump Defeated](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html)**’ is the header of an interesting opinion piece in today’s New York Times (i.e. paywall or use up a free pageview). Authored by four ‘traditional’ (and powerful) Republicans - George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver and Rick Wilson - the article is a rallying call for > > I was especially taken by one paragraph: These sentences encapsulate perfectly a fundamental reason why Trump and his enablers must be defeated. They have changed the face of America and replaced it with a grotesque mask that can only repel anyone, anywhere who treasures the ideals on which the nation was founded. > > At the end of the day, I suspect nothing much will come from this effort. Still, in an era where hope is often all we have, I hope I am wrong. I’m happy when prominent Republicans attack Trump, because I’m happy when anyone attacks Trump. Everyone should attack him. And maybe seeing these four publish this will pull a few extra votes away from Trump. But it is critically important to remember that “traditional Republicans” are still shit people. These were the people who were on board with GWB’s invasion of Iraq and torture gulags. I’m kinda not impressed with their moral leadership. Rick Wilson is a real piece of shit. He was behind the Max Cleland ad, later bragging in an interview with _Cracked_, of all places, that he had “no moral center” and would destroy the innocent and guilty alike in the pursuit of his political goals. He also once tweeted that he couldn’t understand why no one “curbstomped” the writers at Media Matters. He’s a disgusting person who will revert back to being a thoroughgoing shitbag once Trump is out of office. Again, I am glad to see the in-fighting. I hope they all totally destroy each other. Because anti-Trump Republicans are not our friends. They’re still… Republicans. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6278 "2019-12-18T14:18:11Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > … > Again, I am glad to see the in-fighting. I hope they all totally destroy each other. Because anti-Trump Republicans are not our friends. They’re still… Republicans. Fuck them. I was wondering if you felt that way about people who vote the Republican ticket as well, or is it just like the Republican politicians? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6279 "2019-12-18T14:27:49Z")
> [@Translucent\_Daydream](#): > > I was wondering if you felt that way about people who vote the Republican ticket as well, or is it just like the Republican politicians? Mostly the politicians and public intellectuals, which is who I was referring to in my post. Some Republican voters are also shitbags, and some are just profoundly misguided. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6280 "2019-12-18T15:23:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I wish the Democrats would get on board with this and stop quibbling over left, centrist, progressive, moderate, blahblahblah. The important thing is to get a Democrat elected to the presidency and put the soon-to-be-ex OUT OF OFFICE. Who the fuck cares about the nuances among anyone who isn’t trump?? Any anyway, it doesn’t matter what any of them stand for, because unless the Dems take the Senate, not one blessed thing will get past Turtle McTurtleface, just like it hasn’t for the past 10 years. There actually was a time when BRAINS, COMPETENCY, and ETHICS mattered when it came to electing someone to run this country. But Republicans have lowered the bar so much over the last ½ century that now we get idiots (“Dubya”), scumbags (Angry Lid’l’ Donny), and those who - as my well-educated wife would say - are “non compo mentis” (Ronny “Ray-gun” and increasingly it’s starting to look like the current occupant of the W.H., too [although I, personally, never really thought he was all that “with it,” mentally, to begin with]) in the W.H. Personally, I’m all for electing Elizabeth Warren to the Oval Office (as I was three years ago) but apparently her BRAINS are a turn-off to many (“elitist!”) and her well-thought-out ideas are simply too complex for most “Merkans” to grasp to keep her immune from all of the smearing (“Socialist!”) of her by those on the “right.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=313) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=315)