# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 316
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6301 "2019-12-19T01:55:09Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > It will forever blow my mind that there wasn’t a single solitary Republican rep who had the integrity to do the right thing. It’s scary really. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6302 "2019-12-19T01:55:51Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well, she at least she made herself a less useful idiot to the Kremlin in 2020. > > Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk I doubt it. My prediction is she runs as an independent in 2020, funded and aided by the Russians. She’s the 2020 election’s Jill Stein. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6303 "2019-12-19T02:04:12Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > It’s scary really. There was that guy who changed parties; there were many others who retired. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6304 "2019-12-19T02:05:57Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I doubt it. My prediction is she runs as an independent in 2020, funded and aided by the Russians. She’s the 2020 election’s Jill Stein. Exactly what impact she would have on the race isn’t clear, though. If she runs a conspiracy theory campaign, she might actually take away some votes from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6305 "2019-12-19T02:34:20Z")
I can’t imagine Tulsi Gabbard getting anything more than a very small number of votes. Jill Stein at least ran as the Green Party candidate and they have about 300,000 members. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6306 "2019-12-19T02:39:32Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > It’s scary really. The Rs are behaving like a cornered animal, fighting quixotically, and fiercely, for their very existence. I recall a quote from some story that went something like “_To win, it takes courage, strength, cunning and persistence; to lose, it takes everything you’ve got._” They realize that they are on the losing path – not that they will admit it. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6307 "2019-12-19T02:42:26Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > It was definitely there, then it disappeared. How does that work? I saw it too. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6308 "2019-12-19T02:53:43Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Exactly what impact she would have on the race isn’t clear, though. If she runs a conspiracy theory campaign, she might actually take away some votes from Trump. She only needs to peel off 2-3% of the Democratic vote to have a substantive impact in a close election – which 2020 is likely to be. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I can’t imagine Tulsi Gabbard getting anything more than a very small number of votes. Jill Stein at least ran as the Green Party candidate and they have about 300,000 members. [Just something to keep in mind](https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vb5anj/heres-how-much-russian-media-loves-tulsi-gabbard-and-hates-biden) as the election season unfolds. (Vice) Former FBI agent Clint Watts, who specializes in Russian social media manipulation, has compiled a notable report of favorable, neutral and unfavorable coverage of the main Democratic presidential candidates by RT and Sputnik, both Russian-government-run news agencies. The propaganda they push does get into the mainstream media bloodstream. Watts’ results are contained in the Vice piece I cited above. I agree with **eschereal** , Trump Republicans are fighting for their lives. And we need to remember every moment, they fight dirty. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6309 "2019-12-19T03:00:09Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > It’s scary really. They have no choice but to stick together, and they now have no other choice but to rig democracy and take away power and liberty from ordinary people. They will declare war on Democrats now, but when this is over, they’re going to declare all-out war on the federal bureaucracy and civil service. Look at the voting purges and there’s your sign: they don’t intend to have a complete and total dictatorship. It’ll be a “democracy,” but a lot less like the one we’ve had up to this point and more like the democracy of the 18th and 19th centuries – or like Turkey. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6310 "2019-12-19T03:43:28Z")
From the President’s rally tonight after the news that the impeachment vote had passed the House: > [@](#): > > Trump came to the stage for a rally in Battle Creek, Mich., just as the vote was being called and told the crowd, “It doesn’t really feel like we’re being impeached. The country is doing better than ever before. We did nothing wrong. And we have tremendous support in the Republican Party.” I thought he didn’t use the royal “we”. He made a big deal about it after the congressional law professors testified before Congress. Dude, you’re the only one who got impeached. We, who? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6311 "2019-12-19T04:15:17Z")
Gotta hand it to Nanacy Pelosi, really becoming one of my heroes: [Pelosi says she won’t send impeachment articles to the Senate just yet](https://www.vox.com/2019/12/18/21029266/pelosi-impeachment-articles-senate) > [@](#): > > Voicing concern about Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s willingness to hold a fair trial, Pelosi announced for the first time that she might not, in fact, be in a rush to send the articles of impeachment over to the Senate. She said instead she wanted to hear more about how the Senate planned to conduct the trial first. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6312 "2019-12-19T04:17:57Z")
Ok, what the hell, [@Junior](https://twitter.com/i/web/status/774741598311776256): \*\*Dear Clintons, You know what’s deplorable? Being Impeached!!! #BasketOfDeplorables\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6313 "2019-12-19T04:28:54Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Gotta hand it to Nancy Pelosi, really becoming one of my heroes: > > [Pelosi says she won’t send impeachment articles to the Senate just yet](https://www.vox.com/2019/12/18/21029266/pelosi-impeachment-articles-senate) I mean on the one hand yes because obvious partisan troll is obvious, but it’s still somewhat empty political theater - removal requires a 2/3rd majority in the Senate ; and that’s just not happening regardless, for Reasons. Or, possibly, $Reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6314 "2019-12-19T04:34:19Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I mean on the one hand yes because obvious partisan troll is obvious, but it’s still somewhat empty political theater - removal requires a 2/3rd majority in the Senate ; and that’s just not happening regardless, for Reasons. Or, possibly, $Reasons. Sure, ultimately, I’d be totally surprised if she can alter that course, but I’m curious to see what she might try to flesh out of McConnell and get further under his craw. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6315 "2019-12-19T04:51:23Z")
The best outcome would be conviction by the Senate, of course. But second-best would be to leave Trump in limbo—impeached but not “exonerated” — forever. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6316 "2019-12-19T05:08:40Z")
Merry Impeachmas to one and all! ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6317 "2019-12-19T05:36:59Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > Merry Impeachmas to one and all! 2nd best present I could have hoped for. The best present would be removal, but we all know that’s not going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6318 "2019-12-19T05:38:00Z")
Worth Noting: Tulsi Gabbard abstained from voting. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6319 "2019-12-19T06:12:04Z")
I listened to some of the debate (and I use the term loosely) on the radio today. All those Republican congressmen who said this was partisan, and divisive, and hurting the country, they know they could put a stop to that by voting ‘yes’, right? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6320 "2019-12-19T06:13:01Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Gotta hand it to Nanacy Pelosi, really becoming one of my heroes: > > [Pelosi says she won’t send impeachment articles to the Senate just yet](https://www.vox.com/2019/12/18/21029266/pelosi-impeachment-articles-senate) Watching that press conference and then listening to some of the pundits go on about how there is some sort of bargaining taking place tonight that may go on a few more days I had an interesting thought. By holding the articles it leave the Ds the option of adding more articles if they so choose. MoscowMitch has already said he has no intention of being impartial and is in fact coordinating with the WH - what is to prevent Pelosi and Co from adding a third article of impeachment for **jury tampering**? Is this a possibility? Because the thought of it is cracking me up bigly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=315) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=317)