# The Trump Impeachment Inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771 "2019-09-24T20:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/161 "2019-09-25T15:45:03Z")
Read the transcript out loud at a conversational speed and see how long it takes you. 10 minutes? 12? Then realize that the call is logged at 30 minutes long. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/162 "2019-09-25T15:45:58Z")
Requiring a quid pro quo is like saying: Sure he stabbed him, but there wasn’t any blood. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/163 "2019-09-25T15:46:55Z")
True. But the memorandum of the telephone conversation does have a quid pro quo, so not even that argument is available as a defense. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/164 "2019-09-25T15:47:17Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Well, considering most of what you write here is vox/buzzfeed style “journalism” and speculation, based on absolutely zero evidence whatsoever, yeah, all is well. > > What’s absolutely evident from the transcript is that there was no quid pro quo, and that means no smoking gun, like was overbearingly pushed by the Dems and the basis of their whole “inquiry”. > > So at best the left got their week long news cycle, and egg in their face, and most people still won’t support impeachment. > > At worst (or best for me) they keep pushing it and inadvertently reveal some nasty Biden dirt, pushing the lefts best chance out the window. > > So, yeah. It’s going to really hurt when that right wing bubble you’ve wrapped yourself in bursts. Reality is coming and the right is going to have to acknowledge it eventually or get left behind. You can’t expect a false alternate reality to last forever, no matter how much you want it to, and we can’t continue indefinitely with this two different worlds we live in. There is only one real world, and the Fox News/alt-right version ain’t it. The sooner you recognize that the less painful it will be. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/165 "2019-09-25T15:49:44Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > At this point I don’t think Biden is the best 2020 candidate. The whole tone of this Ukraine thing seems like it will play out more like Clinton with the emails rather than Obama and the birth certificate or Warren and her Native American heritage or lack thereof. I don’t think any of them have what it takes to beat trump, especially face to face. That’s the tough thing about him, he always shoots from the hip, unrehearsed. His points are genuine, his insults raw. Everyone else is rehearsed, talking points, non-genuine political babble. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/166 "2019-09-25T15:50:29Z")
n/m ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/167 "2019-09-25T15:51:00Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > It’s going to really hurt when that right wing bubble you’ve wrapped yourself in bursts. Reality is coming and the right is going to have to acknowledge it eventually or get left behind. You can’t expect a false alternate reality to last forever, no matter how much you want it to, and we can’t continue indefinitely with this two different worlds we live in. There is only one real world, and the Fox News/alt-right version ain’t it. The sooner you recognize that the less painful it will be. This reads like a bit of a threat. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/168 "2019-09-25T15:53:20Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > This reads like a bit of a threat. Reality feels threatening to you? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/169 "2019-09-25T15:56:11Z")
So it turns out to be a nothing-burger. Or a status-quo burger. Enough for the Democrats to pounce. Not enough for the GOP to be compelled to abandon Trump. What’s for dinner? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/170 "2019-09-25T15:56:32Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > This reads like a bit of a threat. The fact that you feel threatened by what I wrote is pretty telling, considering what I said is that accepting reality is important. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/171 "2019-09-25T15:57:24Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Nobody in this thread knows shit, nor does anyone else. Projection. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/172 "2019-09-25T15:57:46Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > So it turns out to be a nothing-burger. Says who? Who is the arbiter of such things? Everything I’m seeing is about how damning this is. Sure there are those that are claiming what you say, but claims do not equal reality. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/173 "2019-09-25T15:57:57Z")
If your standard is what will make the GOP abandon Trump, then everything will be a nothingburger. But why on earth would you make that your standard? The Dems don’t need GOP votes to impeach or to force the GOP on the record about why this conduct is OK. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/174 "2019-09-25T15:58:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Read the transcript out loud at a conversational speed and see how long it takes you. 10 minutes? 12? Then realize that the call is logged at 30 minutes long. I literally just came here to post this. It took me less than 5. Honestly, what I did read I was bad enough. Right after Zelensky says he’s going to buy more Javelins, Trump says “I’d like you to do me a favor though.” And of course Zelensky managed to fit in that he stayed at the Trump Hotel while he was in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/175 "2019-09-25T16:01:00Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Reality feels threatening to you? If you guys had so much support and backing you wouldn’t of lost the election, hundreds of judges, the Supreme Court, and very likely the next election too. That’s the reality. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/176 "2019-09-25T16:02:19Z")
Regarding impeachment helping or harming Trump, and what I said in post #128, I just saw this [Politico](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/impeachment-poll-pelosi-trump-1510382) article, which is about a poll showing a lack of support for impeachment. Typical of articles like this, it says nothing about how an impeachment would actually affect the respondents’ votes, and nothing about why some don’t support it. I once made a half-facetious comment to a friend that a big reason that it’s not supported may be that people don’t want it to screw up their TV viewing. And also, giving the horrendously low opinion that people have of Congress, they’re sick of them all already, and can’t stomach the idea of having to hear about impeachment from them day in and day out. I read the whole poll, and nothing address the why of it all. I would guess that one reason such questions aren’t asked is that not just the impeachment process itself is enough for one to know how it would affect their vote. Obviously, what comes out in the process is of utmost importance, so why ask a hypothetical? So again, I do not think it’s a given that impeachment hearings, etc, are going to help Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/177 "2019-09-25T16:04:46Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > The fact that you feel threatened by what I wrote is pretty telling, considering what I said is that accepting reality is important. Except you didn’t say that did you. You said the quicker I accept your reality the less painful it will be. That sounds like a threat. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/178 "2019-09-25T16:06:47Z")
You should report it. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/179 "2019-09-25T16:07:29Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Says who? Who is the arbiter of such things? Everything I’m seeing is about how damning this is. Sure there are those that are claiming what you say, but claims do not equal reality. That’s called confirmation bias. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/180 "2019-09-25T16:08:10Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > If you guys had so much support and backing you wouldn’t of lost the election, hundreds of judges, the Supreme Court, and very likely the next election too. > > That’s the reality. What does that have to do with the reality of the topic of the thread? That’s what’s scary to you, apparently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771.md?page=10)