# The Trump Outrages Come Thick and Fast **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031 "2019-06-25T13:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/21 "2019-06-25T19:16:48Z")
**Trump:** Aw, I was only poking at her in fun! ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/22 "2019-06-25T19:17:34Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Not quite. She spoke quite frankly about it in two interviews. According to E. Jean, they joked about who should put it on. There was an open dressing room nearby. Trump jestured to it. She walked in. He followed her in. He shut the door behind them and immediately attacked her, slamming her against the wall and sexually assaulting her. Thanks; I guess I need to watch the interviews. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/23 "2019-06-25T19:19:15Z")
OK - like I said, I know NOTHING about this other than the one article linked above. Personally, this does nothing to change my opinion of Trump. Not sure whose opinion it would change - unless someone might consider it the final straw… Sure suggests some people conduct themselves quite differently than I ever considered myself. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/24 "2019-06-25T19:21:17Z")
The one with Anderson Cooper contains the details I summarized. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/25 "2019-06-25T19:25:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > “His type” seems to be the ones who don’t resist. Or ones who can be paid. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/26 "2019-06-25T19:29:09Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > 1. The Oregon GOP cheered on an armed militia’s intimidation of Democratic state legislators, and got no pushback from the national GOP. When it comes to the point that a state is being run by a minority, with the backing of an armed GOP militia threatening the State House so that it’s permanently shut down… Is anyone going to stand up AT THAT POINT and say anything? Or is everyone just going to act like the frog in the slowly heating water, and just shrug and say “Whelp, nothing we can do about this. Maybe the militia will allow free and honest elections at some point in the future. We hope” ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/27 "2019-06-25T19:29:15Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > “His type” seems to be the ones who don’t resist. Know that for sure? I’m wondering how many bodies there are, and if Cohen remembers where they ended up. Facetiously. I wonder that facetiously. But I never wondered that, in any way, about any other American president. Not even that sneaky bastard Ford. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/28 "2019-06-25T20:00:07Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Know that for sure? I’m wondering how many bodies there are, and if Cohen remembers where they ended up. Facetiously. I wonder that facetiously. But I never wondered that, in any way, about any other American president. Not even that sneaky bastard Ford. How about this: Trump’s “types” (not mutually exclusive) 1. Those who don’t resist 2. Those who will accept payment 3. Those who can be intimidated into silence/paid off afterwards 4. Those who look like his daughter ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/29 "2019-06-25T20:08:37Z")
Well, HERE’S a Fine piece of news: **Over 100 Migrant Kids Moved Back To Border Facility Where Mistreatment Reported** > [@](#): > > HOUSTON (AP) — U.S. government officials say they’ve moved more than 100 kids back to a remote border facility where lawyers reported detained children were caring for each other and had inadequate food, water, and sanitation. > > An official from U.S. Customs and Border Protection said Tuesday that the “majority” of the roughly 300 children detained at Clint, Texas, last week have been placed in facilities operated by the Office of Refugee Resettlement. > > The official, who briefed reporters on the condition of anonymity, wouldn’t say exactly how many children are currently detained there. But the official says Clint is better equipped than some of the Border Patrol’s tents to hold children. > > Attorneys involved in monitoring care for migrant children who visited Clint last week said older children were trying to take care of toddlers, The Associated Press reported Thursday. > > They described a 4-year-old with matted hair who had gone without a shower for days, and hungry, inconsolable children struggling to soothe one another. > > Some had been locked for three weeks inside the facility, where 15 children were sick with the flu and another 10 were in medical quarantine. > > Many children interviewed had arrived alone at the U.S.-Mexico border, but some had been separated from their parents or other adult caregivers including aunts and uncles, the attorneys said. > **[Over 100 Migrant Kids Moved Back To Border Facility Where Mistreatment Reported](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/migrant-children-mistreatment-border-facility-moved-back_n_5d1251e0e4b0a394186955ed)** > > An official, who briefed reporters on the condition of anonymity, wouldn't say exactly how many children are currently detained there. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/30 "2019-06-25T20:13:43Z")
Regarding the accusations of rape and your chosen thread title… I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/31 "2019-06-25T20:20:53Z")
The facilities (what some have called concentration camps) that hold undocumented immigrants are deplorable and the idea that kids are in those places saddens me and pisses me off. That said, those places were established in the Obama era. Not that it excuses anything but when you’re showing outrage against the current administration it’s best to know the facts. It’s shameful that things haven’t improved though and the president’s public comments have never shown me that he has any real sympathy for the kids suffering. And the policy of separating kids from parents is _his_ policy, despite his lies to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/32 "2019-06-25T20:29:58Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That said, those places were established in the Obama era. Not entirely accurate. Yes, there were detention facilities under Bush and Obama. But families who were detained were allowed to stay together. They might be separated if child trafficking were suspected, but there was nowhere near Trump’s zero-tolerance policy of separating children from their families as a terror tactic. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/33 "2019-06-25T20:32:24Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Just in the past few days: > > 1. We’ve gotten detailed reports about the horrors of the Trump Adminstration’s kiddie concentration camps. Don’t you mean Kiddie Koncentration Kamps? You make it sound so unsummer camp-like… ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/34 "2019-06-25T20:34:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The facilities (what some have called concentration camps) that hold undocumented immigrants are deplorable and the idea that kids are in those places saddens me and pisses me off. > > That said, those places were established in the Obama era. Not that it excuses anything but when you’re showing outrage against the current administration it’s best to know the facts. > > It’s shameful that things haven’t improved though and the president’s public comments have never shown me that he has any real sympathy for the kids suffering. And the policy of separating kids from parents is _his_ policy, despite his lies to the contrary. I like this hijack better. Don’t know whether or not it started with Obama, but sure, why not. Here’s why it’s worse under Trump tho: 1. Obama was competent enough to keep it quiet (same beef I had with Clinton–Not the first ever POTUS to get hummed in the oval, I’d be willing to bet. But he was sloppy. I mean, the story leaked. Oh nevermind.) 2. Obama did enough other things right that people weren’t looking especially hard for things to crucify him with 3. Obama is not the president right now, which is our best opportunity to undo it 4. If it hadn’t started under Obama, it would have under Trump because Trump is The Devil. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/35 "2019-06-25T20:43:09Z")
The Obama administration built the buildings, but did not have a child separation policy, did not argue in front of a judge that children don’t need hygiene supplies and blankets, and have not shown a serial callous disregard for the human rights of migrants. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/36 "2019-06-25T20:45:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Not entirely accurate. Yes, there were detention facilities under Bush and Obama. [Always check Snopes.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/childrens-concentration-camp/) > [@](#): > > What this photograph depicts is … a temporary holding facility/processing center for undocumented children who were apprehended entering the U.S. by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) during the height of an unprecedented surge of child migration from Central America that took place in 2014 … > > the children kept there were treated humanely, were provided with medical care, and were held only until they could be placed with relatives or other caretakers pending adjudication of their cases And yes, families were never separated until Trump made cruelty for its own sake our national policy. Those facilities were only for children traveling alone - yes, it’s been common for Central American families to be so desperate to keep their children alive that they’d send them north, on their own. Even if Trump isn’t really a Christian, Pence claims to be and maybe he can explain this to him: > [@](#): > > "Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’ > > “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’ > > “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/37 "2019-06-25T20:48:57Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The facilities (what some have called concentration camps) that hold undocumented immigrants are deplorable and the idea that kids are in those places saddens me and pisses me off. > > That said, those places were established in the Obama era. Not that it excuses anything but when you’re showing outrage against the current administration it’s best to know the facts. > > It’s shameful that things haven’t improved though and the president’s public comments have never shown me that he has any real sympathy for the kids suffering. And the policy of separating kids from parents is _his_ policy, despite his lies to the contrary. Obama set of detention facilities for families, which may or may not be moral depending on your point of view, but he never had anything remotely as bad as the hell hole that is being reported. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/38 "2019-06-25T21:17:54Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That said, those places were established in the Obama era. Not that it excuses anything but when you’re showing outrage against the current administration it’s best to know the facts. No, the detention centers were established under Bush and Obama attempted to close them. [Weeping in the Playtime of Others: The Obama Administration’s Failed Reform of ICE Family Detention Practices](https://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-weeping-playtime-others/) Dora Schriro\* ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/39 "2019-06-25T21:21:36Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > No, the detention centers were established under Bush and Obama attempted to close them. > > [Weeping in the Playtime of Others: The Obama Administration’s Failed Reform of ICE Family Detention Practices](https://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-weeping-playtime-others/) Dora Schriro\* And did any children die alone there without their parents in the past? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031/40 "2019-06-25T21:22:57Z")
So there’s this: [U.S. Border Patrol Is Refusing Citizen Donations Even as It Holds Migrant Children Without Access to Soap and Toothpaste](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/border-patrol-refusing-donations-migrant-children-soap-and-toothpaste.html) > [@](#): > > A slew of other sympathetic people, advocacy groups and lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle have expressed a desire to lend a hand to the kids housed in the facilities. But after purchasing items like toys, soap, toothbrushes, diapers and medicine — especially as news reports circulate of facilities having drinking water that tastes like bleach and sick children without enough clothing — they’ve been met with a common message: No donations are being accepted. And, towards the end of the article we have this tweet from MSNBC: > [@](#): > > Rep. Burgess on conditions in migrant camps: “You know what? There’s not a lock on the door. Any child is free to leave at anytime, but they don’t. You know why? Because they are well taken care of.” [GOP Rep. on conditions in camp: ‘Any child is free to leave at anytime’](https://on.msnbc.com/2IFVofT) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-outrages-come-thick-and-fast/836031.md?page=3)