# The Trump Presidency HAS to end with Impeachment... right? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406 "2017-05-11T23:48:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/201 "2017-05-15T17:40:35Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You realize that Hillary raised and spent twice as much as Trump (though less that Obama in either of his two elections and with more money from larger donors). You realize that if Hillary is involved in campaign finance fraud that I absolutely want that to come out of an investigation as well. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/202 "2017-05-15T17:54:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You seem to be banking on the premise that someone who, for instance, brags about “grabbing pussy” couldn’t possibly be elected president. There are plenty of people who would reject any and all findings completely, and chalk it up to a vast secret liberal conspiracy to “get” Trump - no matter what the evidence is. Reality has left the building. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/203 "2017-05-15T17:57:41Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yep. Trumps win was not expected by anyone, much less by him. > > After the surprising election, he thought he would be King. He is finding out it doesn’t work that way. Turns out to be the hardest job in the world (surprise!) > > That really shows just how stupid and foolish Trump really is. > > The only way IMHO to do the job is to surround yourself with VERY capable people. > > oops. Well, he never had a REAL job before, he always had toadies, ass kissers, and marks surrounding him. He always had someone to do the REAL work for him and take the fallout when HE fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/204 "2017-05-15T17:59:52Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I seem to be the only person out there who thinks Lord Dampnut will commit suicide rather than resign or be impeached. :eek: He doesn’t have the balls to do it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/205 "2017-05-15T18:07:36Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He doesn’t have the balls to do it. He can’t shoot himself, his hands are too tiny to work a gun. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/206 "2017-05-15T18:24:35Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > He can’t shoot himself, his hands are too tiny to work a gun. _\_ ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/207 "2017-05-15T20:28:20Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > There are plenty of people who would reject any and all findings completely, and chalk it up to a vast secret liberal conspiracy to “get” Trump - no matter what the evidence is. … That’s true. But with a great-enough volume of evidence of a type that wouldn’t be easy to fake, the believers in secret liberal conspiracies would have a tough time holding up their heads. Their numbers would be diminished in direct proportion to the volume and quality of evidence. For example, Trump on-camera making improper promises or agreements _could_ be faked, but if there’s enough footage, the possibility of it being faked diminishes. Fanatics will never be convinced, but the better the evidence, the fewer people will be able to support fanatical ideas. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/208 "2017-05-16T11:26:28Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Saying something that is politically stupid didn’t make her wrong. Half of Trump’s voters are deplorable? Yeah, that sounds about right give or take. I think she woefully underestimated the percentage. All Trump voters are trash. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/209 "2017-05-16T11:52:14Z")
On my scorecard we are now entering phase II of the Trump saga. I think the majority of republican congress has realized that he has to go. And therein lies the biggest problem. If they impeach him he will take down the party, and possibly the country out of spite. If he is pressured to resign he will react in his normal 4 year old throwing a tantrum manner and utterly refuse, resulting back at step one. So it is on to the waiting and psych games of trying to figure out how to get him to decide resigning is best for him, and was all his idea in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/210 "2017-05-16T12:13:10Z")
In a word, money. Send the signal that he can either sign the papers, or we will dive deep into every deal he ever made, and any irregularity discovered will be penalized to the extremest. We will reveal the details to anyone and everyone who might have been bruised in their dealings with him, and the skies over him will teem with lawyers circling, circling. We’ll get every last dime, freeze every asset, keep him in court forever. He’ll yell “Geronimo” and hit the silk. And he will sign the papers. And once he is safely away from the levers of power, if some rogue prosecuting attorney or state legislature shall proceed anyway, I will arrive here promptly to disapprove of such dastardly behavior with a firm “tsk! tsk!”. Maybe not “promptly”. I might be awfully busy, what with the giggling fits, and all. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/211 "2017-05-16T12:43:44Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > On my scorecard we are now entering phase II of the Trump saga. > > **I think the majority of republican congress has realized that he has to go.** And therein lies the biggest problem. If they impeach him he will take down the party, and possibly the country out of spite. If he is pressured to resign he will react in his normal 4 year old throwing a tantrum manner and utterly refuse, resulting back at step one. So it is on to the waiting and psych games of trying to figure out how to get him to decide resigning is best for him, and was all his idea in the first place. I think the entire party long ago figured out he didn’t have the temperament for the job, but at the same time, they probably have a perverse admiration for the way he is assaulting public institutions and bullying the left. On one hand, Trump has been remarkably unproductive already given the fact that his party is in a position to dominate Washington right now – Republicans can’t be happy with that fact. At the same time, as you say, Trump’s support hasn’t eroded. GOP congressmen might go home to their districts and get yelled at by angry liberals at town halls, but the poll data still indicates that probably 45-75% of their voters have a generally favorable view of Trump, regardless of whatever he hasn’t accomplished and regardless of whatever treachery he’s accused of. So in short, while they know that they really should start working on a transition to President Pence, they also know it’s impractical and potentially politically suicidal even to talk about it at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/212 "2017-05-16T13:13:51Z")
XE ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/213 "2017-05-16T13:23:40Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > …they also know it’s impractical and potentially politically suicidal even to talk about it at this point. Its a classic “tipping point” thing. Move too soon, and you’re _très boned_, and its somewhat safer to wait until the stampede starts. The fun part is watching the various “leaders” scrambling to get it front of it and pretend to lead it. (Worked a job for a utility, had a foreman who had a hat that read “I am their Leader! Where are they?”) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/214 "2017-05-16T14:17:48Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > On my scorecard we are now entering phase II of the Trump saga. > > I think the majority of republican congress has realized that he has to go. And therein lies the biggest problem. If they impeach him he will take down the party, and possibly the country out of spite. If he is pressured to resign he will react in his normal 4 year old throwing a tantrum manner and utterly refuse, resulting back at step one. So it is on to the waiting and psych games of trying to figure out how to get him to decide resigning is best for him, and was all his idea in the first place. I don’t see how they can pressure him to resign. > [@elucidator](#): > > In a word, money. Send the signal that he can either sign the papers, or we will dive deep into every deal he ever made, and any irregularity discovered will be penalized to the extremest. We will reveal the details to anyone and everyone who might have been bruised in their dealings with him, and the skies over him will teem with lawyers circling, circling. We’ll get every last dime, freeze every asset, keep him in court forever. WHAT?? Eat their own creation, their own baby? It would be like Dr. Frankenshteen eating his big baby boy. NEVER happen. They’ll at least wait out his term. But how will they keep him from running in 2020? They will have lost control of the monster bigly by then. > [@](#): > > He’ll yell “Geronimo” and hit the silk. And he will sign the papers. And once he is safely away from the levers of power, if some rogue prosecuting attorney or state legislature shall proceed anyway, I will arrive here promptly to disapprove of such dastardly behavior with a firm “tsk! tsk!”. > > Maybe not “promptly”. I might be awfully busy, what with the giggling fits, and all. Trump will never do anything that will get him labeled a “loser.” He is convinced that he is the smartest, best, most talented, most important man in the world. Why else would he be in the papers/media every single minute of every day. He will not let himself appear to LOSE. That is the thing he recoils from the most. In order for him to jump, he has to be seen as a winner. MAYBE if all of his kids did an intervention and strapped him into the long-sleeved shirt with the buckles… maybe they could get him to leave quietly. Take away his phone. Encase his tiny hands in lucite blocks. A ball gag would help, too. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/215 "2017-05-16T14:31:16Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > That "I invented the phrase ‘prime the pump’ COULD be a harbinger of dementia - it smacks of confabulation - but with Trump, it is so hard to tell. He might just be acting like his braggart, ignorant, lying self: maybe he’s too ill-informed to realize the term is a common one and he’s lying about inventing it because self-aggrandizement is what he does, and he thinks (correctly it would seem) that he can get away with anything. That’s the true insanity of all this. If he says something like that, is it because of neurological disease? Because he’s a pathological liar and braggart and making it up? Because he’s such a narcissist that he genuinely thinks everything great came from him? That he’s so ignorant that he’s never heard of such a thing but declares with confidence that it must never have existed without his invention? Is he rubbing it in our faces that he can do things like this and get away with it? All of these things are entirely plausible - that’s what an incredible shit show this is. We can’t even figure out which particular defect this comes from because there are so many plausible ones to consider. I have to remind myself sometimes to take this with the seriousness it deserves because it becomes difficult to avoid the outrage and absurdity fatigue. Any one of these things would sink any other politician, but because we’re on absurdity #4125 or outrage #5823 it just becomes unreal to us, it becomes background noise. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/216 "2017-05-16T16:18:58Z")
Even if the Republicans don’t impeach him (which they have to be seriously contemplating, at this point) they can at least begin disassociating themselves from him. As in, stop feeling a compunction to defend his various miscues, at a minimum. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/217 "2017-05-16T18:46:21Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > He can’t shoot himself, his hands are too tiny to work a gun. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/THsDpGJcpk8/maxresdefault.jpg "World's Smallest Pistol - 2.7mm Kolibri") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THsDpGJcpk8&t=16s) ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/218 "2017-05-16T21:39:15Z")
Breaking… [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?emc=edit_na_20170516&nl=breaking-news&nlid=43071900&ref=cta&_r=0) NY Times EXCLUSIVE **President Trump asked James Comey in February to close the Michael Flynn investigation, Mr. Comey said in a memo at the time** Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:26 PM EDT President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting. “I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/219 "2017-05-16T21:45:58Z")
I’m sure there will be a statement of concern from McCain and/or Graham by the end of the day. I’m also sure that’s all the GOP will do about it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/220 "2017-05-16T21:59:09Z")
It would be a riot if Comey twitter trolls that twit-fuck. “Trump better hope there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversation before he goes flapping his lips!” Hey Trump, bobot here, not Comey. Loose lips sink ships you dumbfuck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406.md?page=12)