# The Trump Presidency HAS to end with Impeachment... right? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406 "2017-05-11T23:48:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/221 "2017-05-16T22:18:59Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I’m sure there will be a statement of concern from McCain and/or Graham by the end of the day. I’m also sure that’s all the GOP will do about it. [Yesterday](https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/864250866475421697), actually. Check out the [first response](https://twitter.com/dannychun/status/864252415377235968): History will smile upon you as the brave Senator who complained about it and then did nothing ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/222 "2017-05-16T22:27:34Z")
To be fair, the memo doesn’t order him to stop and (for anyone in the general public who thinks about it for a few seconds) from what we know of Trump, it’s not unreasonable to expect him to have made such a mistake at the time. He should now be acutely aware of the fact that the FBI is not meant to be a political entity. When Flynn was fired, he might not have been and probably hadn’t yet been told to not do anything like this. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/223 "2017-05-16T22:46:08Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > Breaking… > > [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?emc=edit_na_20170516&nl=breaking-news&nlid=43071900&ref=cta&_r=0) > > NY Times > EXCLUSIVE > **President Trump asked James Comey in February to close the Michael Flynn investigation, Mr. Comey said in a memo at the time** > > Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:26 PM EDT > > President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting. > > “I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. > > The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia. From that article: “The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence a continuing investigation.” And… “Mr. Comey created similar memos — including some that are classified — about every phone call and meeting he had with the president, the two people said. It is unclear whether Mr. Comey told the Justice Department about the conversation or his memos.” Oh please, oh please, oh please… ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/224 "2017-05-16T22:49:51Z")
Trump also asked Comey if he could jail journalists who publish leaked secrets. Because the First Amendment and due process are for chumps. > **[NYT: Trump Suggested Comey Jail Journos Who Publish Classified Information](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-comey-jail-journalists-classified-information)** > > President Donald Trump suggested to ousted FBI Director James Comey that journalists who publish classified information should be jailed, the New York Times reported Tuesday. The Times… ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/225 "2017-05-16T22:53:17Z")
Am I the only one hoping that Trump gets impeached and removed from office, and then runs again in 2020? C’mon, you know that would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/226 "2017-05-16T23:14:26Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > 🙂 > > There is some truth in that, though. The average lifespan has increased significantly since Reagan’s time. Old people stay healthier longer (thank God for us, amirite?) And the population itself is older, and probably does’t care nearly as much about such things as they did in 1980 when the baby boom was young. That’s often exaggerated. Lifespans have increased to a large extent because of decreases in child mortality. According to [CDC Data](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/022.pdf), U.S. life expectancy at birth increased from 73.7 years to 78.7 from 1980 to 2010, but life expectancy at 65 only increased from 16.4 years to 19.1. So, 65 is the new 63, or 62 at best. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/227 "2017-05-16T23:16:51Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Am I the only one hoping that Trump gets impeached and removed from office, and then runs again in 2020? C’mon, you know that would be awesome. I understand that this is tongue-in-cheek and the BBQ Pit, but it is probably the case that a president, once removed from office that way, is not Constitutionally eligible to run again and wouldn’t be put on any ballots if he tried - although, who knows, maybe millions of Trump voters would write him in as a write-in. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/228 "2017-05-16T23:20:59Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Trump also asked Comey if he could jail journalists who publish leaked secrets. Because the First Amendment and due process are for chumps. > > [NYT: Trump Suggested Comey Jail Journos Who Publish Classified Information - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-comey-jail-journalists-classified-information) How ironic, this from the Leaker In Chief. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/229 "2017-05-16T23:47:06Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Am I the only one hoping that Trump gets impeached and removed from office, and then runs again in 2020? C’mon, you know that would be awesome. “This time, I know what to do!” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/230 "2017-05-16T23:49:40Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I understand that this is tongue-in-cheek and the BBQ Pit, but it is probably the case that a president, once removed from office that way, is not Constitutionally eligible to run again and wouldn’t be put on any ballots if he tried - although, who knows, maybe millions of Trump voters would write him in as a write-in. Which part of the constitution are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/231 "2017-05-17T00:28:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Which part of the constitution are you talking about? [Article I, Section 3](https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript#toc-section-3-), Clause 7: > [@](#): > > Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/232 "2017-05-17T00:41:27Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/233 "2017-05-17T01:27:57Z")
From the article… [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html) [QUOTE=NYTimes] Late Tuesday night, Representative Jason Chaffetz, Republican of Utah and chairman of the House Oversight Committee, demanded the F.B.I. turn over all internal memos, notes, recordings or summaries of discussions between Mr. Trump and Mr. Comey. [/QUOTE] This is the resigning GOPer. Hmm… ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/234 "2017-05-17T01:36:49Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > From the article… > > [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html) > > This is the resigning GOPer. Hmm… I get the sense that Chaffetz has decided that he might be able to go down in history as the savior of the nation from that treasonous Donald Trump, rather than the Judas of the Republican party. At least, he seems to sense that it’s started to earn a hard look before deciding to leave his post. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/235 "2017-05-17T01:44:50Z")
I have been having a little bit of a smile from the schadenfreude over how fucked upright-walking-jellyfish Paul Ryan’s ambitions are. If he calls for impeachment the Trumpicans will never forgive. If he doesn’t, the independents who actually elect the president, will forever associate him with the stench. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/236 "2017-05-17T01:56:56Z")
I think we’re on our way. To use a shop-worn phrase, the tipping point has been reached. It’s still a ways down the slope, but Trump will be impeached. I believe I have judged our Comey correctly and for all the world, no sane official would try and outsmart that feller. But then, I’ve had doubts about Trump’s sanity for quite some time. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that Comey surely anticipated that being fired was one likely outcome of Trump’s election, and Comey already had enough slime on Trump way last summer to be alarmed over Trump’s ties to Russia. Did Trump honestly believe Comey would not have documented every single thing? I am sick at the damage that’s already been done and how much more will be done by monstrous Republicans who seem only interested in seeing how deep they can get their greedy mitts into the cookie jar before Trump is out. But with luck, we can time it to coincide with the 2018 mid-terms. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/237 "2017-05-17T02:05:47Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > How ironic, this from the Leaker In Chief. I’m not sure if you intended the double entendre on “leaker”, but if so, bravo. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/238 "2017-05-17T02:08:00Z")
Gold ! > **[Trump Officials on Comey Memo: ‘Don’t See How Trump Isn’t Completely F\*cked’](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-officials-on-comey-memo-dont-see-how-trump-isnt-completely-fcked)** > > The president reportedly asked the FBI director to stop investigating Trump’s top national-security aide—a bombshell that has an already-beleaguered White House begging for mercy. “Trump Officials on Comey Memo: ‘Don’t See How Trump Isn’t Completely F\*cked’” Trump is attempting to speedrun the Nixon Presidency… so far he’s achieved in just over 100 days what took Nixon almost 7 years 😂 ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/239 "2017-05-17T02:15:52Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Trump is attempting to speedrun the Nixon Presidency… so far he’s achieved in just over 100 days what took Nixon almost 7 years 😂 The phrase “Watergate on meth” occurred to me tonight. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/240 "2017-05-17T02:29:30Z")
I’ve looked at a few pro donald forums, and they are openly advocating fascism and violence if Trump is impeached. The thing is if you’re going to be a fascist wouldn’t you at least want a competent leader? Who could possibly want to live under incompetent fascism? (As they say at least mussolini made the trains run on time…) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406.md?page=13)