# The Trump Presidency HAS to end with Impeachment... right? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406 "2017-05-11T23:48:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/321 "2017-05-17T17:45:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I heard that he told the campaign early on that their job was to get him to finish second in the nomination. This was all a publicity stunt gone very bad. Once nominated, he couldn’t bear the thought of losing to a girl, so when the Russians came to offer their assistance, he put himself in their pocket. > > I’d like 10,000,000 to one odds. I’ll put up a dime. You don’t really believe your own prediction at 10 million to one, so calls into questionk your sincerity in making the prediction. I will offer you five to one if you put up fifty dollars. Then I’ll believe you’re serious. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/322 "2017-05-17T17:47:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You claim that you oppose Trump, so tell us how to Dump the Trump, instead of shooting down all the efforts others bring to the table. Come up with some evidence of a crime. If you can’t do that, at least come up with a better whine. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/323 "2017-05-17T17:47:38Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > How about 5-to-1 at $10? If you’re reasonably confident he’s gone by July 1, that should not be a difficult bet for you to make. The [odds have changed a lot in the last week](http://time.com/money/4782344/trump-impeachment-gambling-betting-odds/). Predictit went from 87% to 69% chance that he will be in office at the end of **this year.** Not even looking at a full term. Ladbrokes is only paying $80 on $100 bets about making it a full term. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/324 "2017-05-17T18:00:41Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The Donald didn’t want to win So he spent immense sums of his own money, traveled a backbreaking campaign schedule, declared that he might not accept the election results if he lost, debated Hillary three times on national television, ran ads, campaigned all across the country, gave speeches, held rallies…all because he \*\*\*didn’t \*\*\*want to win? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/325 "2017-05-17T18:03:18Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > So he spent immense sums of his own money, traveled a backbreaking campaign schedule, declared that he might not accept the election results if he lost, debated Hillary three times on national television, ran ads, campaigned all across the country, gave speeches, held rallies…all because he \*\*\*didn’t \*\*\*want to win? His money? Seriously? He made money on the campaign. He held rallies to feed his massive ego. He said lots of silly shit to get his name on the news. Every thing he did was either to feed his ego or fatten his wallet, preferably both. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/326 "2017-05-17T18:05:20Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > So he spent immense sums of his own money, traveled a backbreaking campaign schedule, declared that he might not accept the election results if he lost, debated Hillary three times on national television, ran ads, campaigned all across the country, gave speeches, held rallies…all because he \*\*\*didn’t \*\*\*want to win? He wanted to win, he just didn’t want to do the job of being President. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/327 "2017-05-17T18:06:55Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The [odds have changed a lot in the last week](http://time.com/money/4782344/trump-impeachment-gambling-betting-odds/). > > Predictit went from 87% to 69% chance that he will be in office at the end of **this year.** Not even looking at a full term. > > Ladbrokes is only paying $80 on $100 bets about making it a full term. What do we know about the demographics of people who play those markets? Are they dominated by people like me, who are engaging in wishful thinking? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/328 "2017-05-17T18:09:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You did say specifically. So to be even more specific, I’d say that I’m picturing felonies and serious misdemeanors, misdemeanors in which there is a specific scienter element as opposed to strict liability misdemeanors. Question: Certainly as a legal expert you’re aware that the Constitution states the grounds for impeachment fairly broadly. > [@](#): > > The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. You specify much more narrow criteria for you to support impeachment. Is this because you believe “High Crimes” are much more specific than laid out in the Constitution, or is it just that you think the bar should be much higher and more specific in this case? A side factual question: Andrew Johnson was accused of violating the Tenure of Office Act. How was violation of such act a crime? Was this act part of the criminal code of the United States as you used the definition upthread? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/329 "2017-05-17T18:18:13Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The [odds have changed a lot in the last week](http://time.com/money/4782344/trump-impeachment-gambling-betting-odds/). > > Predictit went from 87% to 69% chance that he will be in office at the end of **this year.** Not even looking at a full term. > > Ladbrokes is only paying $80 on $100 bets about making it a full term. I’m happy to give you 5-to-1 then on a bet up to $50 for a July 1 target date. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/330 "2017-05-17T18:21:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You are missing the point. If you think the Emoluments Clause applies, you have to be the one to show how it does. > > Regards, > Shodan I think it is you who is missing the point. I can show _evidence_ that demonstrates the Emoluments Clause applies, but the determination must be made by an investigative body and then proceed to a prosecution – or in Trump’s case, an impeachment. How anyone can look at the _evidence_ and then argue that there should not be further examination into the matter is beyond me. [Sale of Trump Property Raises Ethical Questions](http://www.npr.org/2017/05/11/527811206/sale-of-trump-property-raises-ethical-questions-about-potential-buyers-motives?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social) [Selling Tickets and Granting Access to Trump at a Mar a Lago New Year’s Eve Event that Benefited Trump to the Tune of $400,000](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/mar-a-lago-donald-trump-new-years-eve-party-233070) [Trump’s 250 Condos For Sale – Including to Foreign Interests](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/20/trump-owns-250m-condos-and-you-could-buy-one/100566302/) [Trump’s Companies Benefit from Campaign Funds](https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-companies-benefit-from-campaign-funds-1492233939?mod=e2tw) [Trump’s Ethics Trainwreck](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trumps-ethics-train-wreck/513446/) [Trump Sells Penthouse to a Consultant who Peddles Access to Powerful People](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/donald-trump-sells-park-avenue-penthouse-angela-chen) [The Money-Laundering Hotel in Azerbaijan](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal?utm_content=buffer56568&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer) [Trump’s Dominican Deal](https://apnews.com/90c95dfef76244e49dcce682960bcd0b/Dominican-deal-tests-Trump%27s-pledge-of-no-new-foreign-deals) [The China Trademarks Deal](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-china-trademark-dianne-feinstein-235147) [Official Meetings Held at Mar a Lago, from which Trump Profits](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/12/politics/trump-shinzo-abe-mar-a-lago-north-korea/index.html) [The US Military Rents Space in Trump Tower](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/military-to-rent-space-trump-tower/index.html) [The International Red Cross Rents Space from Mar a Lago for Diamond Centennial Ball](http://pbglifestyle.com/events/diamond-centennial-international-red-cross-ball/) [Amid Calls to Divest, Trump Hotels Instead Call for Expansion in USA](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-25/trump-hotels-to-triple-locations-in-u-s-expansion-ceo-says?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social) [That New Trump Hotel in Vancouver and its Ties to Malaysian Billionaires](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/an-early-test-of-trumps-ethics-pledge-is-a-glittering-new-tower-in-canada/2017/01/24/df96f9b8-e199-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?postshare=3151485343600614&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.c5bd47df39b2) [That Troubling Debt to Deutsche Bank](http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/12/01/503903737/trumps-loans-from-troubled-german-bank-pose-conflict-of-interest) [Trump Supports Dakota Access Pipeline – While Investing In It](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-pipeline-idUSKBN13U15I) [HUD Grants Pose Conflict of Interest for Trump](http://abcnews.go.com/Business/now-trumps-us-business-interests-pose-conflict-challenge/story?id=44029848) [Meeting with Nigel Farage to Oppose Wind Farms that Interfere with the View at Trump’s Aberdeen Golf Course](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/business/with-a-meeting-trump-renewed-a-british-wind-farm-fight.html) [Trump Partner Offers to Rebuild FBI Headquarters at a Cost of Two Billion](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/digger/wp/2016/12/02/the-next-fbi-headquarters-a-2-billion-project-could-be-built-by-a-trump-associate/?utm_term=.143647f15842) [Trump’s Business Relationship with Indonesian Politicians Creates More Conflicts of Interest Concerns with His Two New Hotels](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/world/asia/indonesia-donald-trump-resort.html?_r=1) There’s so much more, but I’m sick of doing this. There is plenty of _evidence_ of wrongdoing and violations of the Emoluments Clause by Trump and Family. Granted, it’s not as sexy as colluding with Russians, or surrendering classified information given us by a foreign ally to the Russians while bragging on our Secret Squirrel capabilities, but it’s _evidence_ of potentially impeachable offenses of the Emoluments Clause clearly spelled out in our Constitution. Further, there is _evidence_ that Trump likely violates the [Foreign Corrupt Practices Act](https://www.justice.gov/criminal-fraud/foreign-corrupt-practices-act). If only we had a way to investigate… Perhaps you can explain why the _evidence_ shown above should not be investigated further. Or do you contend there is no _evidence_ contained in the links about which to be concerned? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/331 "2017-05-17T18:26:19Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I’m happy to give you 5-to-1 then on a bet up to $50 for a July 1 target date. There is no way, even if they started right now, that they would get impeachment done before July 1. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/332 "2017-05-17T18:30:05Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There is no way, even if they started right now, that they would get impeachment done before July 1. I know. **BobLibDem** originally started this with a July 1 resignation prediction. I’m happy to entertain all possible methods of him no longer being president on July 1 for the purposes of the wager. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/333 "2017-05-17T19:15:28Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I think it is you who is missing the point. I can show _evidence_ that demonstrates the Emoluments Clause applies, but the determination must be made by an investigative body and then proceed to a prosecution – or in Trump’s case, an impeachment. How anyone can look at the _evidence_ and then argue that there should not be further examination into the matter is beyond me. > > [Sale of Trump Property Raises Ethical Questions](http://www.npr.org/2017/05/11/527811206/sale-of-trump-property-raises-ethical-questions-about-potential-buyers-motives?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social) > > [Selling Tickets and Granting Access to Trump at a Mar a Lago New Year’s Eve Event that Benefited Trump to the Tune of $400,000](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/mar-a-lago-donald-trump-new-years-eve-party-233070) > > [Trump’s 250 Condos For Sale – Including to Foreign Interests](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/20/trump-owns-250m-condos-and-you-could-buy-one/100566302/) > > [Trump’s Companies Benefit from Campaign Funds](https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-companies-benefit-from-campaign-funds-1492233939?mod=e2tw) > > [Trump’s Ethics Trainwreck](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trumps-ethics-train-wreck/513446/) > > [Trump Sells Penthouse to a Consultant who Peddles Access to Powerful People](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/donald-trump-sells-park-avenue-penthouse-angela-chen) > > [The Money-Laundering Hotel in Azerbaijan](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal?utm_content=buffer56568&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer) > > [Trump’s Dominican Deal](https://apnews.com/90c95dfef76244e49dcce682960bcd0b/Dominican-deal-tests-Trump%27s-pledge-of-no-new-foreign-deals) > > [The China Trademarks Deal](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-china-trademark-dianne-feinstein-235147) > > [Official Meetings Held at Mar a Lago, from which Trump Profits](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/12/politics/trump-shinzo-abe-mar-a-lago-north-korea/index.html) > > [The US Military Rents Space in Trump Tower](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/military-to-rent-space-trump-tower/index.html) > > [The International Red Cross Rents Space from Mar a Lago for Diamond Centennial Ball](http://pbglifestyle.com/events/diamond-centennial-international-red-cross-ball/) > > [Amid Calls to Divest, Trump Hotels Instead Call for Expansion in USA](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-25/trump-hotels-to-triple-locations-in-u-s-expansion-ceo-says?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social) > > [That New Trump Hotel in Vancouver and its Ties to Malaysian Billionaires](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/an-early-test-of-trumps-ethics-pledge-is-a-glittering-new-tower-in-canada/2017/01/24/df96f9b8-e199-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?postshare=3151485343600614&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.c5bd47df39b2) > > [That Troubling Debt to Deutsche Bank](http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/12/01/503903737/trumps-loans-from-troubled-german-bank-pose-conflict-of-interest) > > [Trump Supports Dakota Access Pipeline – While Investing In It](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-pipeline-idUSKBN13U15I) > > [HUD Grants Pose Conflict of Interest for Trump](http://abcnews.go.com/Business/now-trumps-us-business-interests-pose-conflict-challenge/story?id=44029848) > > [Meeting with Nigel Farage to Oppose Wind Farms that Interfere with the View at Trump’s Aberdeen Golf Course](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/business/with-a-meeting-trump-renewed-a-british-wind-farm-fight.html) > > [Trump Partner Offers to Rebuild FBI Headquarters at a Cost of Two Billion](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/digger/wp/2016/12/02/the-next-fbi-headquarters-a-2-billion-project-could-be-built-by-a-trump-associate/?utm_term=.143647f15842) > > [Trump’s Business Relationship with Indonesian Politicians Creates More Conflicts of Interest Concerns with His Two New Hotels](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/world/asia/indonesia-donald-trump-resort.html?_r=1) > > There’s so much more, but I’m sick of doing this. > > There is plenty of _evidence_ of wrongdoing and violations of the Emoluments Clause by Trump and Family. Granted, it’s not as sexy as colluding with Russians, or surrendering classified information given us by a foreign ally to the Russians while bragging on our Secret Squirrel capabilities, but it’s _evidence_ of potentially impeachable offenses of the Emoluments Clause clearly spelled out in our Constitution. Further, there is _evidence_ that Trump likely violates the [Foreign Corrupt Practices Act](https://www.justice.gov/criminal-fraud/foreign-corrupt-practices-act). > > If only we had a way to investigate… > > Perhaps you can explain why the _evidence_ shown above should not be investigated further. Or do you contend there is no _evidence_ contained in the links about which to be concerned? I think that none of your links show the slightest bit of evidence that the Emoluments Clause applies, and I think you are confused about what the Emoluments Clause prohibits. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/334 "2017-05-17T19:16:07Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It probably has already. > > Imagine Russia decided to rent every room in Trump’s hotel in Washington D.C. and Trump National Golf Club Mar a Lago indefinitely. > > Would that be a violation of the emoluments clause? Trump would certainly be profiting from that and it is impossible to see this as anything other than an attempt by Russia to curry favor with Trump. > > If that is a violation than them renting one room is also a violation. > > The fig leaf that the money is for services rendered is thin indeed. You could drive a train through that loophole. > > We know foreign diplomats are indeed staying at Trump properties to curry favor: > > Would the FFs be ok with that? I think not and they tried to stop it with the emoluments clause. I certainly get that, and I was of the opinion that he was violating it the moment he took the oath of office. However, for at least the next couple of years, my opinion matters little on the national stage. There is a continuum of possibilities for taking money from foreign powers. On the one hand, you may have a 401k or pension plan, that is invested a bit in overseas businesses. I would not consider that a violation of the clause, even if it technically would be, especially if it was a blind trust. Being paid by foreign leaders to perform specific actions against the best interests of the country, for instance, taking money from putin to nuke Los Angeles, would be on the other side of the spectrum, and I would certainly hope that it would prompt the legislature to begin impeachment proceedings. I am wondering where the line is, or if there even is one. According to bricker, while receiving money from foreign powers as a government representative is against the constitution, it is not actually illegal, however that works, as there is no actual criminal statute to violate, just the words written in the constitution. I am beginning to think that the answer to that is no, no matter how egregious, no matter how quid pro quo money from foreign powers in exchange for presidential favors, that it will never actually rise to the level of actually being illegal. > [@pulykamell](#): > > I know. **BobLibDem** originally started this with a July 1 resignation prediction. I’m happy to entertain all possible methods of him no longer being president on July 1 for the purposes of the wager. Does that include pony stampede? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/335 "2017-05-17T19:20:52Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Perhaps you can explain why the _evidence_ shown above should not be investigated further. Or do you contend there is no _evidence_ contained in the links about which to be concerned? Oh, oh, I know this one! Pick one from list below: 1. Fake news. 2. Liberal media. 3. Having clicked on none of your links, it’s my opinion that technically none of them are violations, under my personal interpretation of the law. That settles it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/336 "2017-05-17T19:23:54Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > What do we know about the demographics of people who play those markets? > > Are they dominated by people like me, who are engaging in wishful thinking? When you sit down to play poker, look around the table and try to spot the sucker. If you can’t spot one, it’s you. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/337 "2017-05-17T19:25:26Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > According to bricker, while receiving money from foreign powers as a government representative is against the constitution, it is not actually illegal, however that works, as there is no actual criminal statute to violate, just the words written in the constitution. It is not in the criminal code and there is no punishment defined for it. But the constitution is the supreme law of the land (says so in Article VI) so breaking the emoluments clause is breaking the law. I do not see how that would not be a good enough reason for impeachment (technically congress can impeach for any reason or no reason but this seems to be a good reason). ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/338 "2017-05-17T19:26:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Oh, oh, I know this one! Pick one from list below: > > 1. Fake news. > 2. Liberal media. > 3. Having clicked on none of your links, it’s my opinion that technically none of them are violations, under my personal interpretation of the law. That settles it. You forgot 1. A Gish Gallop is no substitute for an argument. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/339 "2017-05-17T19:27:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I think that none of your links show the slightest bit of evidence that the Emoluments Clause applies, and I think you are confused about what the Emoluments Clause prohibits. Then I should think you would be eager to enlighten us, since many legal scholars disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-presidency-has-to-end-with-impeachment-right/786406/340 "2017-05-17T19:28:26Z")
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