# The Trump Recession
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Tags:** trump
**Created:** [February 20, 2025, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592 "2025-02-20T20:13:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 19
### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2025, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/361 "2025-09-10T03:19:36Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> we all know that this administration’s spin will be “that was all Biden.”
I started pulling out of American assets when Trump won. Technically, that’s under Biden. The motivation, though, had nothing to do with Biden.
It doesn’t take a genius CEO to start pulling off the gas when it’s clear that there’s going to be boulders strewn along the highway, ahead.
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### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2025, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/362 "2025-09-10T03:21:33Z")
> [@dougrb](#):
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> I was pleasantly surprised that the revised job numbers were bad. I figured it would be something like “5 billion jobs added”.
If Trump wants the Fed to cut rates, he actually needs bad job numbers.
Given that **true** bad job numbers are bad for him during the midterms, he doesn’t actually want people to lose their job. But he actually does have a motive to push for bad **published** numbers, whether they’re true or not.
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### Author:  [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2025, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/363 "2025-09-10T08:38:26Z")
> [@Moriarty](#):
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> The U.S. [economy](https://www.axios.com/economy) added **911** ,000 fewer jobs in the year ending in March than estimated, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said on Tuesday.
Who provided these figures? Rudy Giuliani?
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2025, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/364 "2025-09-10T12:55:52Z")
And who will be fired next by the Dear Leader for providing fake news?
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### Author:  [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2025, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/365 "2025-09-10T20:21:49Z")
I actually think it’s more likely that they exaggerated the job losses, as all of it was basically during Biden’s term. Remember, this was for the 12 months ending March 2025. This would give Trump more ways to continue to blame Biden for the economy. In reality, not sure we can trust any economic data coming out of DC any more.
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### Author:  [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2025, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/366 "2025-09-10T20:41:06Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#):
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> In reality, not sure we can trust any economic data coming out of DC any more.
You mean like the report that costs actually went down in August?
> **[Wholesale prices unexpectedly declined 0.1% in August, as Fed rate decision...](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/09/10/ppi-inflation-august-2025-.html)**
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> The producer price index was expected to increase 0.3% in August, according to the Dow Jones consensus estimate.
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### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2025, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/367 "2025-09-10T20:50:06Z")
More curiously, July was a rise of 0.9%…and it’s now been revised down to 0.7%…
0.9% was in line with the sorts of numbers we were seeing in 2021, during the inflation spike. 0.7% is a more average price change.
That said, the alternatives to inflation are headcount cuts. If you can’t raise your prices, you cut your costs. Refusing the hire new people is a backend way of achieving a headcount cut. You just slowly reduce costs as natural quits and retirements pull your bottom line down.
People out on the street is an alternate form of deflationary force, since you can’t raise prices when the customer base is shrinking.
In general, inflation would be _better_ for the economy, relative to what these numbers are signaling.
Of course, that all comes down to the question of **whether the numbers are true?**
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/368 "2025-09-10T21:40:37Z")
> [@Moriarty](#):
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> That’s what happiest during his first term. Trump had to bail out farmers due to his trade policies.
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> [Farmers Got Billions From Taxpayers In 2019, And Hardly Anyone Objected : The Salt : NPR](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected)
I know, and I also remember Harris and her surrogates talking about this A LOT. But voters shrugged.
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### Author:  [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/369 "2025-09-11T18:34:01Z")
As expected, inflation is increasing.
> [@](#):
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> So far this year, inflation has stayed at 3% or lower, with [July’s CPI reading](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cpi-report-july-2025-inflation-trump-tariffs/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab4i) at 2.7%.
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> Despite that, inflation has been creeping higher in recent months, edging away from the Federal Reserve’s [2% annual target.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-reserve-meeting-today-fed-fomc-interest-rate-trump-powell/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab4i) That’s causing some Americans to feel more sour about the economy, with a recent [CBS News poll](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-economy-ratings-uncertain-03-09-2025/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab4i) finding that two-thirds of consumers said prices in the past few weeks have continued to rise.
> **[CPI rose at a rate of 2.9% in August as U.S. inflation ticked higher](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cpi-report-today-august-2025-tariffs-inflation/)**
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> Today's CPI report marks the last major piece of economic data before the Federal Reserve's Sept. 17 rate decision meeting.
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### Author:  [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2025, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/370 "2025-09-13T15:14:59Z")
Off with ees’ed!
> **[Management - Communications & Power Industries (CPI)](https://www.cpii.com/management/)**
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2025, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/371 "2025-09-13T15:58:17Z")
Can you give me a hint about what the article is about and why I should click on the link?
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### Author:  [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/372 "2025-09-14T02:09:10Z")
Hmmmm…
Considering this board is rife with TONS of link-only posts eliciting absolutely zero requests for elaboration, no clue why mine’s being singled out. Anyway - simply a bio on CPI CEO (along with other CPI big wigs), in response to **Moriarty** ’s post about the data from the CPI report.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/373 "2025-09-14T02:29:32Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#):
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> Considering this board is rife with TONS of link-only posts eliciting absolutely zero requests for elaboration, no clue why mine’s being singled out.
FWIW, I did click on the link prior to @Northern_Piper 's post, and I had no idea what your point was supposed to be. (Still don’t.) It’s generally considered good form not to just post naked links.
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### Author:  [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/374 "2025-09-14T02:38:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> It’s generally considered good form not to just post naked links
I figured that was always the case but then after seeing particular posters doing it quite often (with oodles of clicks) I figured, meh, when in current Rome…but yeah I’ll definitely try not to get lazy like that, hence:
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> …I had no idea what your point was supposed to be. (Still don’t.)
With the CPI issuing such a Debbie Downer of a report for Trump, I figured said messengers would be next to get replaced.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/375 "2025-09-14T02:43:18Z")
You _do_ realize that CPII (Communications & Power Industries Inc) has nothing to do with the CPI (Consumer Price Index)?
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/376 "2025-09-14T02:43:23Z")
Communications and Power Industries (CPI) is not the same thing as the Consumer Price Index (CPI).
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### Author:  [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/377 "2025-09-14T02:50:39Z")
In other news, apparently my retirement fund is being administered by an Irish terrorist group.
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### Author:  [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/378 "2025-09-14T03:06:06Z")
Oh. Nice - different entities acknowledged.
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### Author:  [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/379 "2025-09-14T08:39:18Z")
That sounds interesting! Any details? Are they good managers? Do they impose a revolutionary tax on their clients?
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### Author:  [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2025, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-recession/1014592/380 "2025-09-14T14:11:49Z")
Returning to economic news, signs again point to trouble brewing.
> [@](#):
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> The official unemployment rate in the U.S. remains low at 4.3%. But under the surface, there are deepening signs of struggle for people looking for stable, full-time work in a time when hiring has slowed significantly.
> A separate measure of unemployment, which includes people working part-time who would prefer a full-time job and people who are so discouraged they’ve stopped looking for work, is much higher. That rate hit 8.1% in August, its highest in nearly four years.
> That rate has been gradually moving higher for the past two years…
> He noted that one in four people looking for work has been [unemployed for at least six months](https://apple.news/PQQSHdn0kL1ayXTHDvyIQoF). A year ago it was closer to one in five.
> **[More Americans Are Stuck With the Jobs They Can Get, Not the Ones They Want —...](https://apple.news/Ay3Dp9w7zQCioJqSLt2vL3g)**
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> A cooling labor market means more part-time jobs, struggles to make ends meet
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