# The Truth about KAL 007 Shootdown? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 2, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211 "2014-07-02T19:13:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/121 "2017-05-01T18:50:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If they were going to kill everyone anyway, why not just shoot it down and skip the hoax part? You know what your problem is, Really? You confuse people with the facts. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/122 "2017-05-01T19:24:08Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If they were going to kill everyone anyway, why not just shoot it down and skip the hoax part? Because … conspiracy! ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/123 "2017-05-01T19:41:09Z")
Nazi Alien mind-control neo-Illuminati campaign so you don’t notice your Freemason bricks are only 7-1/4" long … ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/124 "2017-05-01T20:18:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > You know what your problem is, Really? You confuse people with the facts. > [@markn\_1](#): > > Because … conspiracy! Well, not being a secret ruler of the world, I thought maybe there was something I was missing in the long game. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/125 "2017-05-01T20:25:34Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If they were going to kill everyone anyway, why not just shoot it down and skip the hoax part? You forgot about the two or three fnord people on board who were actually high ranking US spies. They wanted to abduct fnord those guys. The other 260-some passengers and crew were acceptable collateral fnord damage. It’s important to keep these various CTs and all their details fnord straight. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/126 "2017-05-01T20:36:12Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > You forgot about the two or three fnord people on board who were actually high ranking US spies. They wanted to abduct fnord those guys. The other 260-some passengers and crew were acceptable collateral fnord damage. > > It’s important to keep these various CTs and all their details fnord straight. I believe there was also a fear that if they shot down the plane explosively, it would disperse the chemtrail agents throughout the atmosphere. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/127 "2017-05-01T21:35:56Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > You forgot about the two or three fnord people on board who were actually high ranking US spies. They wanted to abduct fnord those guys. The other 260-some passengers and crew were acceptable collateral fnord damage. > > It’s important to keep these various CTs and all their details fnord straight. Is there a specific reason you want us to paint bulls-eyes on our roofs? … or is this all about [crop circles](http://www.yog-sothoth.com/images/attack-here-sign.jpg) again? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/128 "2017-05-01T21:43:05Z")
At least it didn’t say “ANAL PROBE HERE” with an arrow pointing to town. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/129 "2017-05-01T21:44:55Z")
> [@Tbartif6](#): > > My uncle was on that plane and I remember being at > My aunts house and the US state dept called and told > My aunt and our family that they had landed on an island > And everyone was safe. I will always belive that thats what > Happened and they put the bare minimum in the ocean > To make the world think it was shot down. Fishermen > In the area saw and reported that the plane landed. I > Think the plane was damaged but not destroyed. No > Bodies were ever found and hardly any luggage was found, > But a bunch of shoes were found tied together. I believe > The people were held for a while and then probably killed. > We will never know everything but it is not what we were > Officially told. Forget the conspiracy theory–this is one of the worst poems I’ve ever read. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/130 "2017-05-01T22:00:58Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Forget the conspiracy theory–this is one of the worst poems I’ve ever read. I read it aloud in a deadpan voice while snapping my fingers and imagining soft jazz music. It didn’t help. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/131 "2017-05-01T22:34:30Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I read it aloud in a deadpan voice while snapping my fingers and imagining soft jazz music. > > It didn’t help. ☹ _The Yellow Rose of Texas_ shows some promise. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/132 "2017-05-01T23:29:47Z")
> [@Tbartif6](#): > > My uncle was on that plane and I remember being at > My aunts house and the US state dept called and told > My aunt and our family that they had landed on an island > And everyone was safe. I will always belive that thats what > Happened and they put the bare minimum in the ocean > To make the world think it was shot down. Fishermen > In the area saw and reported that the plane landed. I > Think the plane was damaged but not destroyed. No > Bodies were ever found and hardly any luggage was found, > But a bunch of shoes were found tied together. I believe > The people were held for a while and then probably killed. > We will never know everything but it is not what we were > Officially told. Wasn’t this the basic idea behind _Lost_? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/133 "2017-05-01T23:43:13Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > At least it didn’t say “ANAL PROBE HERE” with an arrow pointing to town. 😃 Those poor ferrets … you could have given them a bit a valium beforehand … ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/134 "2017-05-02T00:28:02Z")
> [@Tbartif6](#): > > My uncle was on that plane and I remember being at > My aunts house and the US state dept called and told > My aunt and our family that they had landed on an island > And everyone was safe. I will always belive that thats what > Happened and they put the bare minimum in the ocean > To make the world think it was shot down. Fishermen > In the area saw and reported that the plane landed. I > Think the plane was damaged but not destroyed. No > Bodies were ever found and hardly any luggage was found, > But a bunch of shoes were found tied together. I believe > The people were held for a while and then probably killed. > We will never know everything but it is not what we were > Officially told. My uncle on the plane is dead and so my auntie got a ring From State Department minions with news about a lot of things The flight landed on an island surrounded by a tempest toss’d In fact it was the Island we would later come to see in LOST The plane was badly damaged and yet not a shred of it remains No bodies ever were found or were heard from, or even seen again But bundles of their sandals and their sneakers all were washed ashore Since they couldn’t be digested by LOST Island’s mystic Smoke Mon-stor\* In fact the KAL victims were kept hostage and then maybe killed Because they knew the secrets of the Island’s major mysteries. And now they’re gone way and are nothing more than histories. \*Hey, if Gilbert can rhyme “strategy” with “sat a Gee” (which is short for “Sat on a giddyup” which means “ride a horse” in some obscure British slang, I can rhyme “washed ashore” with “with smoke mon-stor” ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/135 "2017-05-02T00:33:53Z")
> [@Tbartif6](#): > > My uncle was on that plane and I remember being at > My aunts house and the US state dept called and told > My aunt and our family that they had landed on an island > And everyone was safe. I will always belive that thats what > Happened and they put the bare minimum in the ocean > To make the world think it was shot down. Fishermen > In the area saw and reported that the plane landed. I > Think the plane was damaged but not destroyed. No > Bodies were ever found and hardly any luggage was found, > But a bunch of shoes were found tied together. I believe > The people were held for a while and then probably killed. > We will never know everything but it is not what we were > Officially told. I AM THE VERY MODEL OF CONSPIRACY THEORISTS I ferret out the truth with dowsing, astrology and hypnotists My journey long ago began with a mysterious telephone And since then my life’s been a journey into the Twilight Zone My uncle on the plane was dead and so my auntie got a ring From State Department minions with news about a lot of things The flight landed on an island surrounded by a tempest toss’d In fact it was the Island we would later come to see in LOST The plane was badly damaged and yet not a shred of it remains No bodies ever were found or were heard from, or even seen again But bundles of their sandals and their sneakers all were washed ashore Since they couldn’t be digested by LOST Island’s mystic Smoke Mon-stor\* In fact the KAL victims were kept hostage and then maybe killed Because they knew the secrets of the Island’s major mysteries. And now they’re gone way and are nothing more than histories. \*Hey, if Gilbert can rhyme “strategy” with “sat a Gee” (which is short for “Sat on a giddyup” which means “ride a horse” in some obscure British slang, I can rhyme “washed ashore” with “with smoke mon-stor” ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/136 "2017-05-02T00:34:59Z")
Crap. Duplicate post (mostly). Mods, feel free to delete the first one please. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/137 "2017-05-02T01:05:24Z")
The Korean flight was number 7. They ended up on an island never to be seen nor heard from again. The SS Minnow numbered 7 people total. They ended up on an island never to be seen nor heard from again. Coincidence? That’s certainly what \*they \*would want you to believe. The hidden Truth is that if we find Gilligan we’ll also find **Tbartif6** ’s uncle. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/138 "2017-05-02T01:07:38Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The Korean flight was number 7. They ended up on an island never to be seen nor heard from again. > > The SS Minnow numbered 7 people total. **They ended up on an island never to be seen nor heard from again.** > Coincidence? That’s certainly what \*they \*would want you to believe. If we find Gilligan we’ll find **Tbartif6** ’s uncle. [Not so fast, pilgrim](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_from_Gilligan%27s_Island). ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/139 "2017-05-02T01:10:58Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > _The Yellow Rose of Texas_ shows some promise. Try the Johnny Cash cover of _Hurt._ Lends some gravitas. _Edit_: **Fenris** : Author! Author! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211/140 "2017-05-02T01:23:26Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [Not so fast, pilgrim](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_from_Gilligan%27s_Island). Not canon. Not even close. You probably think Lucas was proud of [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Holiday_Special). 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-kal-007-shootdown/692211.md?page=8)