# The two Obamas: Dr. Barack and Fast Eddie Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 22, 2008, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802 "2008-06-22T16:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/101 "2008-06-24T17:07:50Z")
He didn’t change the goal, he just changed the route. This is all sour grapes from the McCain camp. They tried to do the same thing but were prevented by the FEC. Let that be a lesson to McCain about trying to swindle the bank. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/102 "2008-06-24T18:13:12Z")
**Jackmannii** , a slight hijack. Thanks for the link to Whale.to. Where in the hell do you find these places? I’m cracking up over here. (sadly, [educateyourself.org](http://educateyourself.org) looks to be dead or squatted. Was that one just as weird?) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/103 "2008-06-24T18:18:30Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] It’s not a pro-public financing position. It’s an anti-special interest position. [/QUOTE] But not a position he held back during the primaries. Unless you mean when Obama told Larry King it was a good system, he meant it wasn’t a good system. So he was anti-special interests then, but eager to participate in a system that encouraged them. He just never mentioned that the system was as flawed as all that. And Hilary was a bad candidate for not participating in a system in which he is not participating, and McCain is the prisoner of special interests because he tried to opt out of a system that encourages special interests, and Obama is not, even though he did. Glad that’s cleared up. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/104 "2008-06-24T18:18:47Z")
[QUOTE=Gozu] I read a provocative opinion piece yesterday by David Brooks named “The two Obamas” and and I’d like ya’ll to give me your take on it. Here is a link to the article : [[The Salt Lake Tribune - Utah News, Sports, Religion & Entertainment](http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_9652006)](David Brooks: The two Obamas) [/QUOTE] David Brooks is just a dingdong. Oh, that bad Obama, he talks all high-minded but he’s really just a venal flip-flopping politician, as compared to McCain, who is just a venal flip-flopping politician. That piece is one of a popular type of conservative smearjob going around lately. Take some vague, thin premise, and use it as an opportunity to get some catchy terms of approbation out there, like “latte liberal” and “Scarlett Johannsen set” and vague terms of approbation like “Fast Eddie”. Absolutely zero content, but it draws negative attention to the target. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/105 "2008-06-24T18:21:48Z")
[QUOTE=NurseCarmen] **Jackmannii** , a slight hijack. Thanks for the link to Whale.to. Where in the hell do you find these places? I’m cracking up over here. [/QUOTE] Whale.to is frequently cited on an anti-vaccination messageboard in which I used to participate. I was banned from that MB, partly because I succumbed to the temptation of treating such cites as sources of humor rather than triggers for discussion. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/106 "2008-06-24T18:24:06Z")
[QUOTE=miss elizabeth] It’s under the _bus_, you moron! Under the\*\* BUS\*\*!! [/QUOTE] Only blue-state liberals get thrown under mass transit. Regular Americans get thrown under American trucks. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/107 "2008-06-24T20:18:08Z")
[QUOTE=NurseCarmen] **Jackmannii** , a slight hijack. Thanks for the link to Whale.to. Where in the hell do you find these places? I’m cracking up over here. (sadly, [educateyourself.org](http://educateyourself.org) looks to be dead or squatted. Was that one just as weird?) [/QUOTE] I think I left out a hyphen in [educate-yourself](http://www.educate-yourself.org). Hope you enjoy that one as well, though the same risk of brain-rot-by-proxy holds true as for whale.to. And don’t miss out on [this one](http://www.curezone.com) for fabulous insights into whacked-out alternative-alternative medicine, conspiracies and many other things They\* Don’t Want Us To Know. \ ***Shodan** is one of They! I knew it. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/108 "2008-06-24T20:40:59Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] I think I left out a hyphen in [educate-yourself](http://www.educate-yourself.org). Hope you enjoy that one as well, though the same risk of brain-rot-by-proxy holds true as for whale.to. And don’t miss out on [this one](http://www.curezone.com) for fabulous insights into whacked-out alternative-alternative medicine, conspiracies and many other things They\* Don’t Want Us To Know. \ ***Shodan** is one of They! I knew it. :eek: [/QUOTE] I love this kind of stuff. Right there on the front page we get > [@](#): > > Orgone generators can also ‘neutralize’ underground military bases, masonic lodges, places of satanic ritual activity, etc. Plus > [@](#): > > Prefer to wait until they precipitate their next major national convulsion in order to shock and stampede the public into accepting total fascist tyranny which will eventually lead to door-to-door roundups of ‘troublemakers’ (meaning Americans who resist being inducted into the ranks of mind controlled robots) and their delivery into concentration camps (more accurately-liquidation camps)? Err - is that a rhetorical question? I am _so_ tempted to join their discussion board. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/109 "2008-06-24T20:45:21Z")
It’s refreshing to watch people who would ordinarily call each other crazy share a moment of clarity and unity over the true nuts that exist out there on the intarwebs. Reminds me why I like this place. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802/110 "2008-06-25T01:00:36Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Well, if you think Jim Leher and PBS would keep a “hack” on as their most senior (conservative) political analyst for year after year, then I’m not sure I can convince you he’s not a hack any more than I can convince you he has stopped beating his wife. [/QUOTE] I’m not saying he is a hack. I’d need more info than I have. I find his connection to PBS to be somewhat redeeming but I haven’t heard or read a lot of his comments. Hannity and Limbaugh have stayed employed and they are _opinions for sale_ as far as I’m concerned. > [@](#): > > How many articles would I have to link to by him being critical of Republicans before you’re convinced he’s not a “hack”? Hell, the article in the OP is trashing Republicans for not understanding what they’re up against-- it’s not an attack piece on Obama, as some seem to think. The article mentioned a list of things I’ve already heard from other GOP mouthpieces. He seems to try for a new angle to the same talking points and fails IMHO. I’m only judging this one article. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-two-obamas-dr-barack-and-fast-eddie-obama/453802.md?page=5)