# The U.S. has fallen into shadow -- it is time for the world to move on **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 26, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753 "2018-06-26T04:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5daacb/32.png) [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rabbi_Mohel_Skinberg)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/1 "2018-06-26T04:02:27Z")
_ **I told you so.** _ – me **China have overtaken the U.S. militarily and economically –** _No war with China could be won; much less, decisively – rendering any of the all but diminished, so-called “military superiority” (that has been long sloganeered by the trillion-tax-payer-dollars per annum thieving M.I.C.), at best, anachronistic; at worst, nihilistic. B.R.I.C., BNR etc., are the horsemen of the U.S. economy’s apocalypse – itself nullifying any possible pew-pew out of insolvency that the Yosemite yanks might consider as a last recourse_ **Russia have furthered their ‘Eurasia’ bent to the point _fait accompli_ –** _Putin’s cozying-up to Xi has created an ‘axis’ that can no longer be broken up by any U.S.-Zionist capitalistic ideological force. The Russians are well familiar with the machinations of the U.S. and have become exceedingly good at countering them; while China have watched and learnt with Confucian-esque cogitation. Thus, the old tricks of the past will no longer work on these two adversaries; as Amerimutts are nothing if not stubborn, old dogs._ **The U.S. is abrogating its responsibilities as a beacon of democracy _et al._ –** _Be it abdication from U.N. Human Rights Council, just as the U.S. cages children and laughs off Israeli Zionists’ genocidal gesticulations, or the fomentation of internecine trade wars with generational allies – the isolationism of the U.S. has made itself a pariah state. This, only 18-months after the Trumpian overthrow – which, in the context of how hamstrung the canard-crooner-in-cheeseburger was for the best part of his initial 12-month squat over the Shite House (due to his own surprise at underestimating the abject degree of Amerimutt voter idiocy), is a historically “unpresidented” rollicking rate of withdrawal and, indeed, decline._ **The U.S. is a tribal, riven society, that is still split by in pre “Civil War” era schisms –** _The Koreas are arguably closer to peace, than the notional Mason-Dixon Line is from being erased. If it’s not the denial of the true motivations for the U.S. Civil War ( **spoiler:** tariff robbery of the economically thriving, agricultural South, by the economic basket case, industrial North), then it’s the approaching crescendo of the racially divisive din that has deaved the nation to anything approaching common sense–harking back to the [circa] Trans-Atlantic slave era._ **Europe powers (namely: Germany) are stepping up to fill the capacious sofa imprint left by the lurching departure of the corpulent U.S. –** _The U.S. take a contrary and oft backwards stance on so many global tropes – global warming; universal basic income; Iran; Israel – that virtually any E.U. member looks like a more auspicious choice for the [free] world to march behind, than the corrupt whip hand we have been welt riddled by since the desinence of World War II._ **The U.S. is following a flowchart course towards imperial oblivion, and seems utterly (albeit, unsurprisingly – given its abundance of ill- and under-educated, reality and junk food f̶e̶d̶ poisoned populace) blind to its path to oblivion –** \*R̶o̶m̶e̶ (U.S.A.); N̶e̶r̶o̶ (“Trump™”); d̶e̶c̶a̶d̶e̶n̶c̶e̶ (capitalism); p̶a̶n̶e̶m̶ (“great again”); c̶i̶r̶c̶e̶n̶s̶e̶s̶ (democracy); f̶i̶r̶e̶ (debt); V̶i̶s̶i̶g̶o̶t̶h̶s̶ (China; Russia); “C̶h̶r̶i̶s̶t̶o̶s̶” (Pence; evangelicals); J̶e̶w̶s̶ (Zionists); n̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶l̶ a̶n̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ (lute fiddling); and… \* \*\*\*There is a moral of all human tales. 'Tis but a rehearsal of the past. First Freedom, then Glory – and when that fails, Wealth, vice, corruption – barbarism at last¹. And History, with all Her volumes vast, Hath but one page.\*\*\* (Canto IV) _[¹ The U.S. is currently about **here**]_ As such, I think the rational, prudent world should have started prepping for a post-U.S. hegemony world, perhaps a decade or more ago. Those still banking on the 'mutts to do the right thing, after having tried everything else, are about to have their hot hand fallacy folded for them more abruptly than “G.F.C.” suckers had their mortgages default – losing not only their houses in the process, but their children’s futures too. I tried to warn the plebe masses for years… But all anyone with good intensions ever got in return for their efforts was the _RAR! RAR!_ echo chamber cacophony of jingoistic, jello-brained chimp chatter. Well, here we are now, on the precipice of the care-taker _ad hoc_ empire’s humiliating or (from a certain point of view) hilarious collapse, and I think I am finally entailed to a meagre, self-congratulatory _ **’I told you so** _’… 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/2 "2018-06-26T04:09:04Z")
Somehow I get the impression that you may not be a real Rabbi. ---
**Author:** ![Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5daacb/32.png) [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rabbi_Mohel_Skinberg)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/3 "2018-06-26T04:18:59Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > Somehow I get the impression that you may not be a real Rabbi. In today’s porcelain climate of _preeeeeeecious_ pea-brain pandering, those words could well be construed as being “racist”, m8… perhaps even sexist. (…Just sayin’ 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/4 "2018-06-26T05:01:14Z")
> [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](#): > > **Europe powers (namely: Germany) are stepping up to fill the capacious sofa imprint left by the lurching departure of the corpulent U.S. –** The same Germany that turned Europe into a smoldering pile of ashes _twice_ within one human lifetime, and in the latter case, in the lifetime of humans literally still living? And which failed miserably in _both_ of their attempts to “step up” and be a “power”? I’m skeptical. I’d be surprised if the EU even exists in 10 years. > [@](#): > > \*The U.S. take a contrary and oft backwards stance on so many global tropes – global warming; universal basic income; Iran; Israel – Iran and Israel are not “tropes”, they are countries, and they are both quite advanced and quite influential. By the way, not that I expect you give a damn, but Rabbi is a serious religious title, and I think regardless of peoples’ feelings about religion, it’s just not very classy to mock another religion with that kind of tasteless username. Yeah, I know everyone’s going to say “he’s a troll, he’ll be banned,” etc. But I know goddamn well that there is an actual human being behind every wall of rambling nonsense online, and I hope that maybe just a tiny bit of what I’m saying will be taken to heart - as naive as that may sound. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/5 "2018-06-26T05:16:32Z")
What is your source for what you have quoted here? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/6 "2018-06-26T05:18:19Z")
The OP reads like Time Cube guy got some meds but is only taking them every other day. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/7 "2018-06-26T05:22:14Z")
> [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](#): > > In today’s porcelain climate of _preeeeeeecious_ pea-brain pandering, those words could well be construed as being “racist”, m8… perhaps even sexist. (…Just sayin’ 😉 ) No, they couldn’t be. When part of your beliefs are based in the idea that there’s a global Zionist conspiracy, why should I take the rest of it seriously? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/8 "2018-06-26T07:04:31Z")
FTR a mohel is a rabbi who performs circumcisions. Mohel Skinberg? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/9 "2018-06-26T08:05:08Z")
Dibs on the band name Genocidal Gesticulations ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/10 "2018-06-26T10:10:02Z")
Yeah, the REAL purpose of the civil war was ‘robbery of the economically thriving south, by the economical basket case of the north’ !!! Ha Ha Ha ! That’s hilarious! (Way better than the cracks about Israel, which while amusing were too lame and overused! ) Thanks for a great laugh to start my day! ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/11 "2018-06-26T11:19:58Z")
> [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](#): > > In today’s porcelain climate of _preeeeeeecious_ pea-brain pandering, those words could well be construed as being “racist”, m8… perhaps even sexist. (…Just sayin’ 😉 ) Just as your username could be construed as anti-Semitic. You come across as a reasonably educated Brit, who has vastly over-estimated their intellect, and now sees fit to lecture the internet. But I think you’ve come to the wrong place. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/12 "2018-06-26T12:14:09Z")
I’m going to rule this one as witnessing, children. Therefore it’s fair game for Great Debates. Keep it polite. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/13 "2018-06-26T12:46:40Z")
> [@Staggerlee](#): > > I think you’ve come to the wrong place. Oh, I disagree. I think he has come to _exactly_ the right one. > [@](#): > > The U.S. is a tribal, riven society, that is still split by in pre “Civil War” era schisms – > The Koreas are arguably closer to peace, than the notional Mason-Dixon Line is from being erased Could you describe a few of the ways in which North Korea, which is pointing artillery and nuclear weapons at her neighbor, and South Korea, which is still officially at war with NK and suffers invasions and attacks across the DMZ, are “closer” to peace than Mississippi or Alabama are with New York or Iowa? TIA. Also - > [@](#): > > If it’s not the denial of the true motivations for the U.S. Civil War (spoiler: tariff robbery of the economically thriving, agricultural South, by the economic basket case, industrial North)… Could you post a few cites of how much better and more economically developed the antebellum South was than the more industrialized North? And if the South was so much better off, why did they lose? And welcome to the SDMB! _(licks chops eagerly)_ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/14 "2018-06-26T13:12:43Z")
There is certainly a strong argument to be made that the US’s global power and influence is on the wane and has been since the end of the Cold War, that current events and actions are greatly accelerating this effect, and that China is currently best poised to rise to the opportunity. Or one could assert all those things and then just fill the rest of the post with incoherent gibberish, as the OP did. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/15 "2018-06-26T13:19:49Z")
> [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](#): > > In today’s porcelain climate of _preeeeeeecious_ pea-brain pandering, those words could well be construed as being “racist”, m8… perhaps even sexist. (…Just sayin’ 😉 ) Projection much? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/16 "2018-06-26T13:31:17Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > FTR a mohel is a rabbi who performs circumcisions. Mohel Skinberg? :dubious: Not exactly. Many _mohalim_ are rabbis, to be sure. But many are doctors, some are cantors, and some are simply observant Jews trained in the specific _brit milah_ procedure. That said, I agree that the implications of this particular name choice are not positive. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/17 "2018-06-26T13:44:33Z")
Oh sure - the US is crashing into oblivion, Germany is poised to re-invade the rest of Europe, Putin and the Chinese are going to dominate the world, civil war is breaking out in the US, and all you guys care about is circumcision. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/18 "2018-06-26T13:51:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Oh sure - the US is crashing into oblivion, Germany is poised to re-invade the rest of Europe, Putin and the Chinese are going to dominate the world, civil war is breaking out in the US, and all you guys care about is circumcision. > > Regards, > Shodan The circumcision thing may appear inconsequential but believe me, it’s just the tip of the…er, iceberg. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/19 "2018-06-26T13:54:52Z")
He has 4 total posts, & his OP smacks of cut & paste. Imma thinking we won’t hear much from him, in future. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/20 "2018-06-26T14:11:25Z")
The OP is using **bold** , _italics_, \*\*\*bold italics \*\*\*and not st̶nd̶rd ch̶r̶ct̶r s̶ts in his post. I suggest we all take him seriously. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753.md?page=2)