# The U.S. has fallen into shadow -- it is time for the world to move on **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 26, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753 "2018-06-26T04:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/41 "2018-06-28T17:11:03Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > U.S. -Zionist capitalistic ideological force? What the what? It’s a division of Space Force. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/42 "2018-06-28T17:18:20Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > U.S. -Zionist capitalistic ideological force? What the what? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s a division of Space Force. **Jews…In…Spaaaaaace!** ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/43 "2018-06-28T17:29:00Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > **Jews…In…Spaaaaaace!** Let’s not make a Space Mountain out of a mohel, o.k.? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/44 "2018-06-28T17:35:02Z")
I wonder if Mel Brooks is reading this thread and getting some ideas. Wait, I wonder if Mohel Brooks is reading this thread and getting some ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/45 "2018-06-28T17:47:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Let’s not make a Space Mountain out of a mohel, o.k.? When they tell you not to cut in line, they _mean_ it! ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/46 "2018-06-28T17:50:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I wonder if Mel Brooks is reading this thread and getting some ideas. I just had to look it up. Yes, Mel Brooks is still alive. 91! Does he have another movie left in him? I think so. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/47 "2018-06-28T17:55:56Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > I just had to look it up. Yes, Mel Brooks is still alive. 91! Does he have another movie left in him? I think so. Actually, he’s 92. Today’s his birthday, born on June 28, 1926. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/48 "2018-06-28T18:09:04Z")
You know, if white people didn’t want to live in a multi-ethnic country, maybe they shouldn’t have imported millions of African slaves. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/49 "2018-06-28T18:23:11Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You know, if white people didn’t want to live in a multi-ethnic country, maybe they shouldn’t have imported millions of African slaves. Well, we should definitely round them all up and do something bad to them. Do you have a list of those white people who did this stuff? Where are they living today? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/50 "2018-06-28T18:23:25Z")
Love the replies, all the more astounding as I can’t understand a word in the OP. Is “Amerimutts” a good thing to be or not? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/51 "2018-06-28T18:36:41Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Love the replies, all the more astounding as I can’t understand a word in the OP. Is “Amerimutts” a good thing to be or not? Ever seen Stripes? Even our noses are cold! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/52 "2018-06-28T18:52:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Actually, he’s 92. Today’s his birthday, born on June 28, 1926. Mazel tov! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/53 "2018-06-29T03:46:08Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Mazel tov! Didn’t you mean, mohel tav? Okay, okay, I promise: I’m done with ‘mohel’ references. ---
**Author:** ![Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5daacb/32.png) [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rabbi_Mohel_Skinberg)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/54 "2018-06-29T08:32:34Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > FTR a mohel is a rabbi who performs circumcisions. Mohel Skinberg? :dubious: ## Is that you, you incorrigible plagiarist, Einstein?? For your powers of deduction seem amazing… Why, pray tell, are you not out solving the mysteries of the universe… or something? 😕 > [@elbows](#): > > Yeah, the REAL purpose of the civil war was ‘robbery of the economically thriving south, by the economical basket case of the north’ !!! Yeah… 'Cause your self-immolation really panacea’d the shit out of those pesky racial divisions – ay, Jimmy C.? En passant: **Fort Sumter** was a black ghetto… right? :dubious: > [@](#): > > (Way better than the cracks about Israel, which while amusing were too lame and overused! ) ## I would advise against stoking a hot war with me, Moshe Dayan – I am way above even your stable-genius-in-cheddar’s pay grade; let alone, that of the Internet hoi polloi… [Kosher snuff porn](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjTkJIPKj80) > [@Staggerlee](#): > > Just as your username could be construed as anti-Semitic. ## Just as your predictably obvious, embarrassingly easily elicited, throw-away comment could be construed as being anti- **intellectual** … 😉 > [@Shodan](#): > > Oh, I disagree. I think he has come to _exactly_ the right one. > Could you describe a few of the ways in which North Korea, which is pointing artillery and nuclear weapons at her neighbor, and South Korea, which is still officially at war with NK and suffers invasions and attacks across the DMZ, are “closer” to peace than Mississippi or Alabama I reckon I could give it a red, hot go: **1.** Clearly the North are unable to arm wrestle directly with the armed-to-the-teeth, potency-in-pew-pew-is-more-important-than-health-care-and-a-safe-society U.S., so they have had to hold the South hostage. The perpetual state of bellicosity that the South has had obtruded upon it, by its U.S. warmonger slavers, has justified the aforementioned, albeit crude, yet effective stance. You know… 'cause Mossadegh and Saddam and Qaddafi – to name just the a few victims of [mainstream consumable] U.S. sponsored overthrows of governments. **2.** The last time I checked, the U.S. had some 600+ bases around the globe… And were also well fond of not-so-surreptitious drone-striking those big, bad “ISIS” bogeymen (…no, of course not the [**I** sraeli **S** ecret **I** ntelligence **S** ervice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKZw0rrWfKo), silly! :rolleyes:)… To say nothing of the [illegal strikes](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei) (\*§8) on whatever hapless nation is seen as convenient fodder to serve as distraction for a given U.S. administration’s Machiavelli of the day. **3.** The reason the Korea War began was because of a “police action” by the U.S. under the diaphanous cover of t̶h̶e̶ _ **its** _ U.N., instigated as an opposition to the so-called creep of… **foreboding silence** **communism** **dramatic crescendo** in the Asia-Pacific region – the ideology that even Patton later cited as the enemy that _should_ have been targeted [in lieu of the Germans] in part-2 of the Great War(s)… As distinct from pandering to Stalin by… o, you know, [handing back millions of Slavs for wholesale slaughter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgWoetZnJUE). The same reason, in fact, that the [Yakuza were moulded into the “LDP” in Japan](http://www.japansubculture.com/how-the-cia-helped-put-the-yakuza-and-the-ldp-in-power/) – as hit-men against the “red peril”. …Oh! And let us not forget the dismissal of the ‘esteemed’ MacArthur by Truman, for almost turning Peking into Hiroshima 2.0! :o **4.** One does not even need to stoop to the _reductio ad absurdum_ straw-men examples of the deep South lynchings apartheid segregation, to find racial enmity in the U.S. today. As a “black” person, simply walk out onto any given crumbling, pothole peppered “First World” (_LOL!_) U.S. street, and you are sure to encounter, first-hand, the warmth of the racial harmony that washes over the nation. 😉 See, the thing is, the CNN / Fox “News” junk food current affairs and _hi\*\*s_tories\*\* that woebegone, gob agape Amerimutts have been force fed for generations, have been as nutritious for the nation’s collective intellect (and issuing foresight), as their super-sized, high fructose, slow-acting cyanides have been for their physical health. And not unlike how the easy-to-scapegoat “fat” has been tarred, feathered and stocked for all that ills the waddling nation of bloated deadites, so–too–has the simpleton-mind-assuaging “good guy” / “bad guy” dynamic pervaded their peoples’ thinking – becoming a surreal prism through which to view a world that they have barely cursory interest in, and little more than ‘ballistics based’ contact with. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/55 "2018-06-29T11:10:55Z")
> [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](#): > > Is that you, you incorrigible plagiarist, Einstein?? For your powers of deduction seem amazing… Why, pray tell, are you not out solving the mysteries of the universe… or something? 😕 That’ll earn you a warning. Insults are not allowed on the SDMB except in The BBQ Pit. Anymore and I’ll close the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/56 "2018-06-29T11:59:29Z")
> [@Rabbi\_Mohel\_Skinberg](#): > > I reckon I could give it a red, hot go: I wouldn’t call your post “red hot” - more like “the temperature of warmed over lizard spit”. YMMV. Nonetheless - > [@](#): > > **1.** Clearly the North are unable to arm wrestle directly with the armed-to-the-teeth, potency-in-pew-pew-is-more-important-than-health-care-and-a-safe-society U.S., so they have had to hold the South hostage. The perpetual state of bellicosity that the South has had obtruded upon it, by its U.S. warmonger slavers, has justified the aforementioned, albeit crude, yet effective stance. You know… 'cause Mossadegh and Saddam and Qaddafi – to name just the a few victims of [mainstream consumable] U.S. sponsored overthrows of governments. > > **2.** The last time I checked, the U.S. had some 600+ bases around the globe… And were also well fond of not-so-surreptitious drone-striking those big, bad “ISIS” bogeymen (…no, of course not the [**I** sraeli **S** ecret **I** ntelligence **S** ervice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKZw0rrWfKo), silly! :rolleyes:)… To say nothing of the [illegal strikes](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei) (\*§8) on whatever hapless nation is seen as convenient fodder to serve as distraction for a given U.S. administration’s Machiavelli of the day. Unsurprisingly, this makes very little sense in the context of arguing that North and South Korea are closer to peace than the American Deep South is with the rest of the country.‘Peace is about to break out in the Korean peninsula because the US is firing drones at ISIS’ is not an argument remarkable for its cogency, coherence, or clarity. Did you have anything on point? > [@](#): > > **3.** The reason the Korea War began was because of a “police action” by the U.S. under the diaphanous cover of t̶h̶e̶ _ **its** _ U.N., instigated as an opposition to the so-called creep of… **foreboding silence** **communism** **dramatic crescendo** in the Asia-Pacific region… Not exactly. And by “not exactly” I mean ‘not even in the same zip code as true’. The North invaded South Korea. That’s what started the Korean War, which continues (officially) to this day. > [@](#): > > **4.** One does not even need to stoop to the _reductio ad absurdum_ straw-men examples of the deep South lynchings apartheid segregation, to find racial enmity in the U.S. today. As a “black” person, simply walk out onto any given crumbling, pothole peppered “First World” (_LOL!_) U.S. street, and you are sure to encounter, first-hand, the warmth of the racial harmony that washes over the nation. 😉 I am trying, with more desperation than success, to tease out some kind of meaning from the above jumble. Is this supposed to prove that the Civil War, Part II, is about to break out? If so, it needs to be a bit more substantial. Of course, if I added more fiber to my diet I could produce something more substantial than your post, but let’s see if you can step up your game equivalently. > [@](#): > > … the simpleton-mind-assuaging “good guy” / “bad guy” dynamic pervaded their peoples’ thinking – becoming a surreal prism through which to view a world that they have barely cursory interest in, and little more than ‘ballistics based’ contact with. “Their thinking”, and “they”? Your post began as tragedy, and ends as farce. Again, welcome to the SDMB. Also, good bye. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/57 "2018-06-29T16:40:49Z")
Shodan wrote: " Your post began as tragedy, and ends as farce." Shodan paraphrasing Marx. Now I have seen everything. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/58 "2018-06-29T16:48:28Z")
“One morning I paraphrased a quote in my pajamas. How it got in my pajamas I will never know”. - Karl Marx Also - “Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet”. - Abraham Lincoln “Regards” - Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/59 "2018-06-29T17:40:58Z")
Boy, this rabbi likes stringing big, non-related words together in incoherent sentences that _almost seem_ to make sense. Reminds me of my writing when I was 15. I hope my friends, family and teachers have forgiven me by now. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753/60 "2018-06-29T18:09:31Z")
In my mind the US lost it’s right to be considered the “number one” country in the world the day the inventor of the DVD sold the rights to a foreign country. Honestly everything that’s happening now feels like an embodiment of everything wrong with the US. I’m waiting for the country to break apart and become a bunch of third world countries. I hope it doesn’t happen but sometimes it seems inevitable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-u-s-has-fallen-into-shadow-it-is-time-for-the-world-to-move-on/816753.md?page=4)