# The Umbrella Academy S2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, netflix\ **Created:** [July 30, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878 "2020-07-30T22:37:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/81 "2020-08-15T17:43:06Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > > [@Acsenray](#): > > > > And also I object to the suggestion that abuse makes someone so broken she can’t help but destroy the world. Almost twice. > > Broken is broken regardless if it was easily done.[/quote] I don’t know what this means > [@](#): > > I do find her push-back against Allison (#3) to be weirdly strong. Allison tried to be friends but Vanya (#7) was having none of it. > > I understand that this was important for the story arc but I never quite got Vanya’s hatred of Allison. Pissed a bit…sure. But she was soooo resistant to Allison trying to make friends. I think it totally makes sense. Allison isolated and rejected Vanya throughout their childhoods just like everyone else. And Allison was instrumental in the suppression of her powers and her self-esteem. Allison is also the one with the power to fuck with your brain, so is the least trustworthy. And they showed how Allison could quickly go from caring and open to sharp-tongued and cruel. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/82 "2020-08-15T22:11:04Z")
Allison was literally the one who used her powers to cause Vanya to think she was ordinary, less than the rest of them. Sure as a kid at the time one can say she did have much choice about it, but then she NEVER bothered telling Vanya that she had rumored her? Really never realized what she did? Just treated her like she was nothing? Yeah forgiving that is a big ask. Allison is not a nice person. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/83 "2020-08-17T13:36:36Z")
You’ve also got to remember in the first two episodes, Vanya reached out to Allison a couple of times, and was shot down. Hard. It was only after Leonard (Harold) began paying attention to her, that Allison began to reach out. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/84 "2020-08-19T14:19:12Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > As for “sudden onset bisexuality,” what are you talking about? Does Vanya have to declare her bisexuality at the beginning of the first episode for it to be realistic? From what I know of bisexual people (which, granted, is not a tremendous amount), they don’t wear a “I’m a bisexual” label, and an outside observer might never know until the person shows up with a different gender. Of course she doesn’t, and particularly for Vanya who has been marginalized and isolated much of her life. There’s no reason why she couldn’t be bisexual (or even homosexual, given the way her previous relationship went). On the other hand, it’s kind of a TV trope that characters (particularly female ones) suddenly realize their real sexuality at narratively convenient moments. I suppose I should just roll with it, given everything else going on with the show. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/85 "2020-08-19T14:35:25Z")
I don’t really see it as having “realized” her sexuality. I saw a person who had one heterosexual relationship, and then had one homosexual relationship. A logical conclusion would be that she is probably bisexual, but I don’t think she said or did anything in the series that amounted to a “realization.” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/86 "2020-08-19T14:43:18Z")
BTW, wan’t it implied that Klaus also had sex with women, despite being exclusively homosexual last season? I guess sudden onset bisexuality works both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/87 "2020-08-19T14:49:29Z")
Yes, he was engaging in group sex with his groupies. Again, I don’t think it’s fair to describe either situation as “sudden onset bisexuality.” There was nothing in Season 1 that implied that either Klaus or Vanya _wasn’t_ bisexual. It is implied that Luther, Diego, Allison, and Ben are heterosexual, because they’ve all expressed interested in persons of the opposite sex. Five also, I guess. Dolores is a female mannequin, so I suppose that counts. However, I wouldn’t object if the story took any of them in a non-straight direction. These characters haven’t declared their sexuality in any definitive terms. We might make assumptions based on their past behavior, but those are just assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/88 "2020-08-19T15:40:40Z")
Regarding Luther in Season 2, his bare-knuckled fight for Ruby seemed to take a lot of inspiration and camera angles from Brad Pitt’s fight scene in Snatch. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/89 "2020-08-19T15:50:08Z")
Aye; I caught that too, including the lifted-him-off-his-feet knockout punch. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/90 "2020-08-19T15:56:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > BTW, wan’t it implied that Klaus also had sex with women, despite being exclusively homosexual last season? I guess sudden onset bisexuality works both ways. I remember when he mentioned his dead love, Diego assumed it was a woman. When Klaus says it was a man, Diego doesn’t look that surprised. ---
**Author:** ![BeagleJesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5daacb/32.png) [@BeagleJesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeagleJesus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/91 "2020-08-19T18:37:27Z")
I was under the impression that Klaus would fuck just about anybody he found attractive. As far as sudden onset bisexuality goes, the only person who shocked me was the 1960s Texas farm wife who went from repressed and frustrated with her husband to eager participant with Vanya in 2 seconds flat. I wasn’t alive back then but something tells me it would have taken a bit longer than that to shuck off 30-40 years of cultural programming. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/92 "2020-08-19T18:41:37Z")
> [@BeagleJesus](#): > > As far as sudden onset bisexuality goes, the only person who shocked me was the 1960s Texas farm wife who went from repressed and frustrated with her husband to eager participant with Vanya in 2 seconds flat Vanya was living with them for over a month. You have a stay-at-home housewife and an amnesiac out in the boonies with the husband out working most days and apparently many nights. They were pretty much in each other’s company 24/7 during that time with the only other company a non-verbal autistic child. It’s not shown but I’m comfortable accepting it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/93 "2020-08-20T13:10:13Z")
That, and the one conversation she has with Vanya in the car made it clear that lesbianism was her actual inclination and she was suppressing it. She wasn’t just a repressed hausfrau, she was a closeted lesbian. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/94 "2020-08-20T13:16:33Z")
Here’s my theory about Lila’s multi-powers: they ALL have all the powers, all 43 of them. Team Zero just doesn’t know it yet. Lila, in a different timeline not yet revealed, got trained up in each power. Next season, if any, we’ll see Diego saying “I heard a rumor,” Klaus with gorilla-strength, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/95 "2020-08-20T13:43:41Z")
I think Lila is more like Peter Petrelli. Her power is that she can mimic other’s powers. Whether she can keep them permanently or if it’s just when she’s in proximity remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/96 "2020-08-21T00:56:03Z")
To revisit the “Reg is an _alien_ alien” thing (I removed the spoiler tags so it was all easier to read): > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@TriPolar](#): > > > > I have no knowledge about this universe outside this series on TV, but I’m not surprised Dad isn’t human. But it seems Dad did not want the future the kids were born into, he didn’t want Kennedy killed, and they didn’t get back to the future they left in the end, so this is gonna get very complex before it’s over. > > I have no knowledge of this universe outside the series as well, and I’m not surprised that Reg is an alien; I’m surprised that he is an alien that is so significantly non-human that he requires a costume disguise. I was more prepared for the “his organs aren’t in the right place and he has 3 stomachs” kind of thing. > > > [@Acsenray](#): > > > > With no other explanation I’m satisfied to believe that it’s a depiction of the story for our benefit, not an attempt to literally portray things exactly how they “really” looked. After all none of this really happened. The stylized visuals, soft focus, etc all , all lends an air to legend. After all, would one question whether earth like violin music was actually playing when she died? > > I thought of that too, **Ascenray** and I agree that it is the most likely way that laziness would try to spin it: a depiction totally for our benefit. I mean, that makes no sense at all as far as the rest of the show not ever showing us things as we’d like them to appear or for our comfort or anything, but yeah, I can see where laziness would go to that explanation rather than just admit “yeah, we kind of fucked that up. I guess we weren’t paying attention and later we just hoped no one would call us out on it.” > [@Acsenray](#): > > Yeah, I don’t see this kind of thing as “laziness.” It was not necessary to the story to show us that, so so it didn’t show us that. Think about if this story was being told orally, which is what stories have been for the majority of human existence. You don’t get revealed a fact until it’s necessary. This is the same thing in visual form. > > It’s the same thing in shows that are in English where the characters couldn’t possibly have been speaking English. Not everything on the screen is to be taken as literal truth. Except that some things need be truthful. In S1E1: > [@](#): > > LUTHER: What is this? > DIEGO: Dad’s autopsy report. > LUTHER: And you have this why? > DIEGO: Because I broke into the county coroner’s office. The point is, it was normal, boring old heart failure. See, I’d have thought that the county coroner would have noticed that Reg was an alien in a human suit. Also: > [@](#): > > LUTHER: His heart stopped at 4:32 in the morning. We know the exact moment, because of his pacemaker. Strange that the surgical team that installed the pacemaker didn’t notice Reg was an alien while they were poking around inside him, isn’t it? ETA: I’m still looking for it, but I could have sworn that in some of the flashbacks/nostalgia scenes, news stories or magazines mentioned that there were other kids born the same day and way as the seven kids of the Umbrella Academy. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/97 "2020-08-21T01:26:15Z")
Maybe the kids don’t know Dad is an alien. Maybe he’s not even dead. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/98 "2020-08-21T02:16:28Z")
What is the relevance in whether or not the kids think Reg is an alien? What matters is that all the available in-world evidence from those quotes is that Reg is NOT an alien who is significantly different from a human such that he would require or be wearing a “human suit”. If we cannot trust the evidence the show gives us, if there isn’t going to be any internal consistency, how is this different than watching _Lost_? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/99 "2020-08-21T02:23:56Z")
We just found out that Dad may not be human, at least not in the usual sense. I’ll give them a chance to explain. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878/100 "2020-08-21T02:35:37Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > What matters is that all the available in-world evidence from those quotes is that Reg is NOT an alien who is significantly different from a human such that he would require or be wearing a “human suit”. We know that the person in the autopsy report was (likely) a regular human. It still leaves open the possibility that the person autopsied was not Reg. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-umbrella-academy-s2/916878.md?page=6)