Robot Chicken has parodied this: they list all their crimes, voyeurism, rape, etc. and note in the Robot Chicken skit that they’re not getting rewarded, they’re going to jail. However, the gay character, Lamar, is now overjoyed at the prospect of imprisonment. So yeah, the black hole of intolerance still has us in some of it’s pull. 20 years from now, when we’re talking about the Robot Chicken skit, remember you heard the criticism here first.
I participated in Greek Week games in the early 90’s, there was definitely no drinking in the events themselves. The fraternity and sorority associations would never have allowed it. There was plenty of drinking, but it was done out of the public eye. Kegs were explicitly forbidden at fraternities and sororities at all times.
I love this movie. I watch it all the time.
But it occurred to me - when they were tricked into rushing Alpha Beta, are we to assume they were forced to have sex with the goats? Really?
But presumably your girlfriend knows ahead of time that you’d enjoy a blowjob while you’re asleep. In order for consent to have any meaning at all, it has to come before the act, not after. I mean, what if Betty didn’t decide after the fact that she wasn’t happy about it? That’d still be rape, wouldn’t it? But Lewis didn’t know at the time which way she’d decide.
I suspect the reason people don’t comment on it is because Rick Moranis is the least threatening person on the planet. I missed the rape-by-deception angle myself, and I went to that high school that banned ‘leering’ in 1990.
There’s a certain amount of values dissonance as well. Revenge of the Nerds came out almost 30 years ago, and while culture hasn’t shifted much in a lot of ways, one of the ways it has is that we take sex based crimes more seriously, and a lot of the things that might have been considered borderline at the time are now well over the line.
Fun’s fun, but I don’t see how anyone can seriously argue that this was a case of ‘Filmmakers hate women!’ instead of ‘writer didn’t think through the implications of his wacky scenerio.’
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That’s a real problem for SF, fantasy and comic book writers. (The DCAU Flash, for instance, got in pretty much the same situation. That one WAS funny) ‘Regular’ writers like to tip their toes in the pool most of all. I suggest we call this kind of thing ‘Lovely Bones-ing’
I think a lot of folks take this movie and it’s situations way too seriously. They’re confusing it with real life,
Robert Carradine (Robert Carradine - IMDb) not Rick Moranis, though the resemblance is strong.
Oops.
Ok. He’s the SECOND least threatening person on the planet.
The bitch of it is, I even had that imdb page open already, to check the release date . . .
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Did Rick Moranis did have sex with the geeky receptionist in Ghostbusters, though… Someone possessed by an ancient sumarian dog-demon in no position to give consent.
I think your girlfriend can reasonably assume you would consent to a blowjob if you were aware of what was happening. But the girl in the movie wouldn’t have consented to have sex with Lewis if she had been aware of what was happening.
If I’m remembering correctly, Rick Moranis’s character had sex with Dana in Ghostbusters while they both were possessed (Always thought that he should have turned out to be Oscar’s father in GB2). He was dating Annie Potts, the geeky receptionist, in GB2 - but no possession involved in that case
Both of the ancient edritch demon dog-spirits could probably be considered rapists, though.
Yeah.
That’s my angle, really—“Oh no! Washington’s going to get away to kill people untouchably from the sky! And who knows what elsethey might use it for!” :smack:
Yeah, I know, it was a different time, years of hindsight, more idealistic mindset to begin with, just a movie, etc. But still, it could be seen as not painting the heroes in the best light for the ages—like if it’d been made in the 60s, and they decided to sabotage a synthetic fiber project, because they realized that The Man was going to use it to make bulletproof body armor, and then there’d be nothing to stop them from keeping down the people and the revolution!
The villains, Hathaway chief among them, were assholes, schemers, embezzlers, and, in the case of the CIA guys, probably murderers. But they might not have been wrong.
When someone is paying you to develop a weapon, but not telling you that you’re developing a weapon, it’s a pretty safe bet that they don’t have the best of intentions for its use.
But rape is not about the beliefs/intentions of the instigator. Otherwise a rapist could claim “I thought she wanted it” and get away with it.
I went to a college with a strong Greek culture in the early 90s. There was plenty of shit the University didn’t “allow”. Kegs. Unregistered parties during the week (defined as more than x people in a room with alchohol). Beer games (especially Beruit). After hours parties. Drugs. Hazing. Underage drinking. Everyone did all of that stuff all the time. College was basically like a cross between Animal House and a Bret Easton Ellis novel.
Although my general sense is that for the past 30 years, everything gets a little more strict and a little lamer. In the 80s, you could have kegs in the middle of the quad. My freshman year was the last year fraternities could legally serve out of kegs (after that it was buying cases of beer by the pallet).
Maybe you should be watching Van Wilder and Tommy Boy instead of RotN.
Anyhow, you people are taking RotN way too seriously. Or maybe not seriously enough for a film that is a metephor for descrimination against homosexuals and minorities.
Hey now! I got the letters after my name to prove it was time well wasted!
We had a lot of that stuff at my college too, but if you were on campus most of it took place behind closed doors, and you had to keep it kind of quiet, lest some straight arrow RA come poking around. There’s a big difference between that and throwing a big ass kegger in the middle of campus in broad daylight with games and the higher ups in attendance. And I went to a college that had a reputation in my state of being a party school.
Off campus, though, I’d say my school (or rather least its student body) earned its reputation.
And does the girlfriend know you’re casually mentioning it to thousands of strangers on the internet?
Ok, now that you’ve told her:
Was her first reaction completely positive?
Reeeeeally? :dubious:
When it was on the other night, we missed the rape scene but did catch it when all the brothers came on strong and proud against whitey, complete with menacing ghetto stances and funk music in the background.
Was John Goodman the only one in this movie who had a noteworthy acting career afterwards?