# The undetectable troll-a question for the Mods **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 29, 2000, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248 "2000-11-29T20:21:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sangria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@Sangria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sangria)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/21 "2000-11-30T16:34:39Z")
How come you were able to search on Drum the drum and find dirt, but not Satan and the silent twins? I remembered them, since they came up this week, so they were real easy to find. Was anyone worried about Satan? Does this answer you? [Where’d Satan Go?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=47505) [Sorry but, uh Tuba?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=45692)That rare appearance by Ed Zotti > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ed Zotti \* > Satan > > First warning. Over the past week or two you have: > > (1) Whined about TubaDiva after I made it clear I wanted this to stop, and continued to whine after you were reminded of my warning by a moderator. > > (2) Posted copyrighted material without permission in two separate threads even though you know full well we do not allow this. > > (3) Posted an obscene insult in a non-Pit thread because you “knew” it was going to get moved to the Pit soon. > > (4) Posted comments to another moderator (Gaudere) that in my opinion were obscene and abusive. > > I am fed up with this crap. If you violate SDMB rules one more time, or do anything I consider jerklike, you are out of here, and I don’t care if you’ve got five million posts to your credit. Did anyone wonder about silent-bob and silent-rob? [Where’s Duck Duck Goose?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=45742) > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Za Za \* > Another MIA > Profile For SILENT-BOB > Date Registered: 06-21-2000 > Status: Member > Total Posts: 195 > Last Post: 10-25-2000 05:40 PM > All ChiDope Attendees - Check in HERE > > Profile For silent\_rob > Date Registered: 06-23-2000 > Status: Member > Total Posts: 654 > Last Post: 10-21-2000 02:23 AM > How’s this dollar bill magic trick done? > Current Email: Click here to email silent\_rob **pepperlandgirl** I seem to recall you turning up at all the troll threads, also always with excuses that turn out to be wrong. That fits the name “jerk”. ---
**Author:** ![Sangria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@Sangria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sangria)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/22 "2000-11-30T16:43:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manhattan \* > \*\*…in alpha-fucking-betical order…Are you really so stupid … > Now kindly shut the fuck up … \*\* As my mother would say, “you certainly have a potty mouth for no reason”. If you had READ the posts, you would have seen that **idn’t say they weren’t trolls, or that they shouldn’t be banned**. I said that the reference, denied by several people above as impossible to find, was there at the first try. I looked something up to prove a point of fact - That is fighting ignorance. You reversed my position by misquoting me and then attack me with slurs best suited to the pit. That, Mr. “Moderator” is being a jerk. You can give a jerk a title, but he’s still a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/23 "2000-11-30T17:05:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sangria \* > \*\* there seem to be 26 people who were banned for their IP#s who weren’t doing anything. > > \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sangria \* > \*\*that idn’t say they weren’t trolls, or that they shouldn’t be banned. > > \*\* When I asked if you are really so stupid, I was asking an honest question. Now I have my answer. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/24 "2000-11-30T17:09:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sangria \* > \*\*Was anyone worried about Satan? Does this answer you? > [Where’d Satan Go?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=47505) > [Sorry but, uh Tuba?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=45692)That rare appearance by Ed Zotti > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Ed Zotti \* > > Satan > > > > First warning. Over the past week or two you have: > > > > _[Snip list of offenses and accompianing warning]_ > > \*\* You’ll notice that Satan is still listed as a member. You stated he was banned (implying in the process that it was arbitrary, malicious, and/or in error), pepperland said he wasn’t. SHE was right. Satan was simply warned that if he continued to be a jerk, he _would_ be banned. That first thread you cited explains why he’s AWOL. He’s not working, so no ability to post. He wasn’t banned, he didn’t even take time off to cool off after the warning. Circumstances beyond his, or the SDMB Admins’ control came up. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/25 "2000-11-30T17:13:16Z")
Sorry, make that ‘The Bean stated that Satan was banned’. Screwed up the attributions. Beh. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/26 "2000-11-30T20:40:00Z")
God, isn’t hijacking _fun_?! ALL of you can piss off now, since my question has been answered. Go throw shit at each other in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/27 "2000-12-01T01:25:43Z")
First off, let me quote myself from my first post in this thread: > [@](#): > > 1. Sangria, there you are again, posting in a troll related thread. Fine in itself. You link the thread where is can be seen (actually not, because the socks posts seem to have been deleted) that you acted in violation of our board rules for a few days. Things were sorted out. Would you care to show us the links that prompted you to assume a second name? After all these posts by you on the matter, I’m getting kind of curious what caused all this. I note that you seem to post a lot in this kind of thread. I say that this in itself is fine. I acknowledge your attempt to change screen names, the implicit violation of rules that it consituted, and the thread in which it can be seen. **Furthermore** , I ask you _why_ you chose this course of action, and where we could see what prompted you to act thusly. Are you with me? Cool. Now, on to _your_ response. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sangria \* > I had incentive here to look them up today. With **Coldfire accusing me** , I suddenly find I have to. Well, I found out a lot in a hurry. You could have as well. Back the truck up right there. Just what, **Miss Martyr** , did Evil Coldfire accuse you of? I asked you about threads that could lead to an understanding of your former desire to change screen names. The reason I asked you this? If you had a valid reason, it would be there for the world to see. People -myself included- would get less suspicious about the matter. See, posting to troll-related threads is not a crime per se, but if half of your posts can be found in that sort of threads, well… suffice it to say that it doesn’t look good on a person. Especially when they’re relatively new, and/or have very few posts. **Anything** that can change that image is good for me, AND for you, Sangria. For some reason, you see this as “an accusation”. _Rrrright_. Continuing: > [@](#): > > Searching on “Andros” and “troll” in the Pit you would have found this thread of Andros’s near the top of 170 hits on him: [appropriate moderating in GD?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=44307) Yes. What is your point? What does **andros** have to do with this? > [@](#): > > Clicking on No Bones, you quickly find the 26 names [Scylla - You are a fortune teller - What does this mean?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=46263) And what a surprize! **Waterj2** is there again. Guess he IS the designated toady, wrong as usual. Huh? As far as I’m concerned, **waterj2** is a decent poster who loves this Board, and voices his opinion when people act like jerks. As **manhattan** demonstrated earlier in this thread, **waterj2** was not wrong in this case. But most of all, just **what** prompts you to come up with this sort of “evidence”? 1. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand; 2. You were kindly asked to come up with something _different_. > [@](#): > > **Chronos** , You guys seem to have deleted the big “girl fight” where someone (Byzantine? I don’t know their names, never did) started a pit thread just to attack me for saying there was too much “potty mouth” outside the pit (silly choice of words, but it’s how my mother always scolded my brothers and it just came out). I am grateful it’s gone, even if it does leave me have to answer to you. I honestly don’t know whether or not the thread was deleted. It’s not impossible, although we very rarely do so. > [@](#): > > This is all I could find left > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Byzantine \* > > …BTW can you pound a six inch nail into a board with your penis? No? Okay, so you’re fucked on that score too. But thanks for posting! Your consolation prize is a date with Sangria… poor YOU! > > Who’s the jerk there? She is, clearly. But is this enough to register a second name for, knowingly breaking our rules? You didn’t even participate in the thread that you didn’t even link to. No problem, though. [Here it is.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=30411) > [@](#): > > Then she follows me on another thread, where I’m following the OP and she posts this > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Byzantine \* > > Or they just read your posts, Sangria, and find out what a looser you are. > > Gee, so, how many dates HAVE you gotten? I mean, besides the guy opening the door and finding YOU standing there? > > Anyone off this board want to date her? I know I wouldn’t even for a million dollars. I can smell her from here. She smells like troll. > > (Who’s the “total flaming jerk” there **MEBuckner**! She was! And in this thread, YOU are.) First of, she didn’t “follow you” in the first thread, because you never **posted in it**. Second, you quoted **Byzantine** from [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=30325). Just so everybody can read along, and not be subject to your rather, shall we say, _selective_ quoting. To whit: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sangria \* > \*\*Internet dating is like pen pals. You find a lot of creeps and guys in prison are really into it, hoping to find someone rich and desperate. They probably keep dozens on the line at once, just playing the odds. > If I want a date I ask one of my brothers to set me up. > Their friends won’t try anything stupid, like getting pushy too soon, because they don’t want to be dumped among friends. \*\* This was in a thread **soulsling** started to ask for opinions on Internet dating. He obviously wants **real opinions** (either positive or negative), no baseless accusations or judgements. You were following the OP, you say? My behind, lady. While I am not for one minute defending Byzantine’s language, I can understand that your post upset her. I just thought our fellow posters might want to be aware of _your words_ in that thread as well. Puts things in a different perspective, doesn’t it? Now, if those two things (basically one poster getting mean with you exactly twice) is all you can bring on as evidence (barring the thread that may have been deleted, of course) for deliberately violating our rules, **don’t expect people to be very supportive**. We all have to have a thick skin at times. On these boards, people debate their convictions, their beliefs. Often, things get out of hand because of the diversity of people we have here. Sometimes, the Pit is used in such cases. But _one poster_ is enough to send you off crying? ONE? We have about 11,000 members. Some will like you, and some won’t. If you move to a village with 11,000 inhabitants, the scenario is identical. The butchers wife may like you, and the pharmasist may detest you from day one. _Let it slide_. And I’m not buying your “I could never remember all the names of those meanies” crap. You are always able to revive **Byzantine** ’s name. What’s so hard about the others? You also seem to _focus_ on this sort of discussion, so it can’t be **that** hard to revive the story. It’s all you talk about. _Unless the true evidence isn’t as hard as you’d like it to be_. Just a thought. > [@](#): > > That crap kept going on and I just wanted out. I picked a new name. > I am **Tallahassee** here, banned at one post: [I’m claiming Longest Name on the Board!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=33500) \*\* Banned after one post, and rightly so. When you register twice, you also get to read the rules twice. You violated them knowingly. People might frown upon that. And if they do, they’re not necessarily jerks. They might just be _right_. The error was corrected, and you retained your posting rights. All seemed to be fine. **THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING YOUR MARTYR STORY UP PERIODICALLY?** Why don’t you focus on the things you like on these boards, instead of constantly reviving old fights, related or unrelated (as in this case) to the OP? _What **possible** enjoyment can you be getting out of the Straight Dope this way?_ You’re one of the few people here that simultaneously confuse me, and piss me off. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/28 "2000-12-01T01:59:14Z")
Wow, Coldy. As for my post in the thread about Andros and an alphabet’s worth of sockpuppets, it could not have possibly been incorrect. Every sentence in it was a question. None of which No Bones ever answered. Is asking for clarification somehow wrong? As for why Tallahassee was banned, that was because Sangria wasn’t. If you want a new name, you have to give up your old one. It’s not a difficult or obscure concept. If you wanted to be Tallahassee instead of Sangria, you could have, had you asked first over email. I constantly refute this nonsense from people like you, and often get slandered or insulted in the process, and I’m a toady? I’m supposed to simply abide lies, half-truths, out of context quotes, insults, and complete non sequiturs then? ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/29 "2000-12-01T03:26:15Z")
Coldfire Coldfire Coldfire. I think being a Mod has dulled your skills. Where’s that scathing wit, that biting sarcasm? You can do better than this! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/30 "2000-12-01T16:26:12Z")
**Sangria! No Bones! The Bean!** My homies! What happenned, did **Do Z** call in sick? > [@](#): > > Mr. “Moderator” is being a jerk. > You can give a jerk a title, but he’s still a jerk. Ah. This is what we call Pit Material. We should all know this by now shouldn’t we? We don’t tolerate mod-bashing in ATMB. Oh, you don’t like the Pit? You think it’s full of meanies? Tought titties, Chachi, that’s where it’s going. Play by the rules, flatscan. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/31 "2000-12-01T17:01:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MEBuckner \* > \*\*I believe the point is that the board administration doesn’t run around launching witch hunts trying to purge every poster who has two identities, although that _is_ against the rules. But if you have two _well-behaved_ identities, they probably won’t make a special point of hunting them down. > > \*\* Are you saying we don’t have the right to set policy on our board? Just want to know. your humble TubaDiva Administrator ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248/32 "2000-12-01T17:19:15Z")
As I read the rest of the posts in this thread (I stopped WAY too early,I can see that now), I see MEBuckner is not the problem here and I withdraw my question from the previous posting. I also see that some people really enjoy playing “Let’s you and him fight.” And others feel like even bad attention is better than none at all. Bottom line: the administration of this board does what we do because that’s how the board owner, namely the Chicago Reader, likes us to do it. If you do not share that view there’s a zillion other boards in cyberspace and you’re invited to check them all out, perhaps you’ll find one more to your liking. On that note, I’m closing this thread. your humble TubaDiva Administrator [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-undetectable-troll-a-question-for-the-mods/43248.md?page=1)