# The Unfortunate Effect of the Negative Stereotype \[ed. title\]
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [May 12, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998 "2008-05-12T04:59:29Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@focusonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/focusonz)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/21 "2008-05-12T13:47:38Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23]
Do you think it’s somewhat ironic that you’re passing judgment on your fellow posters this way - even going so far as to catalogue and grade their “hate speech” on its level of hatefulness? [Not to mention your continuing trumpeting of your own wisdom.] Talk about not catching flies with sugar!
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Thank you for acknowledging me as a ‘fellow’. I consider it a privilege to be able to associate with as fine a people as all you are on this SDMB.
It is difficult to explain to someone how to critique their own actions and words without an illustrative example. It was an unintentional shortcoming of the OP not apologizing in advance for the grades. I apologize now for any anguish that my OP might have caused.
“Do you agree or disagree with my scaling of the manifestation of prejudice for each post?”
I offer the balance of the OP as evidence of my own wisdom.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
Also, I believe you have mischaracterized a couple of posts - **Shodan** ’s most prominently; I think you should back off and apologize to him for missing some very obvious sarcasm - and I don’t think you’re offering any insight that many other posters have not provided in the past.
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**Shodan** ’s post in the first line appeared to be a quote from someone else but it was not quoted so I wasn’t sure. I apologize to **Shodan** for my error if he did not make the quote. Even in sarcasm hate speech is prejudice and is destructive to the dialog.
In the statement “your candidate really is evil, and if you won’t admit that, then you must be evil too!" hate speech? Is there anything worthwhile in making this statement?
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/22 "2008-05-12T14:01:30Z")
[QUOTE=focusonz]
I offer the balance of the OP as evidence of my own wisdom.
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Let people come to their own conclusions about it. 😉
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> Even in sarcasm hate speech is prejudice and is destructive to the dialog.
**Shodan** was making an over-the-top paraphrase to support his post.
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### Author:  [@focusonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/focusonz)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/23 "2008-05-12T14:08:50Z")
[QUOTE=focusonz]
**Shodan** ’s post in the first line appeared to be a quote from someone else but it was not quoted so I wasn’t sure. I apologize to **Shodan** for my error if he did not make the quote. Even in sarcasm hate speech is prejudice and is destructive to the dialog.
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I looked at the post again without my prejudice toward prejudice and finally saw the quotes. WOW and FAROUT and ZOUNDS what a lesson!!!
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### Author:  [@focusonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/focusonz)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/24 "2008-05-12T14:59:16Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble]
The OP could start the love by not dissing negative stereotypes with the “hate speech” word “Childishness” in the title. This would satisfy the “Judeo-Christian-cultural expectation” of looking for the beam in your own eye first.
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The Op was all about love. Discipline of a child has to come from love else the child does not learn. I maintain that we all have this little child in our heads that keeps telling use that we were hurt in the past and causes us to react automatically to protect our adult selves from hurt again. See [http://www.moretolife.org/](http://www.moretolife.org/). When I use the word “Childishness” I am referring to that inner child.
I love you Man!
Hence forward the titles of my OPs will be “The Inner Childishness of …”
And by the way I have 16 Ops on my agenda concerning “The Inner Childishness”. One down, this one in process and 14 more to go.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/25 "2008-05-12T15:40:59Z")
[QUOTE=focusonz]
And by the way I have 16 Ops on my agenda concerning “The Inner Childishness”. One down, this one in process and 14 more to go.
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Don’t quit your day job.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/26 "2008-05-12T16:12:04Z")
People who accept negative stereotypes are poopyheads.
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### Author:  [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/27 "2008-05-12T16:15:26Z")
[QUOTE=focusonz]
The Op was all about love. Discipline of a child has to come from love else the child does not learn.
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Oh, trust me, you beat them hard enough, they’re going to learn.
But no, seriously, people do tend to get hysterical in political threads, and it’s probably bad for honest discourse.
And if you disagree with that, you’re wrong, and probably a bad person.
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### Author:  [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/28 "2008-05-12T16:20:11Z")
> [@focusonz](#):
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> Is the point of the political debate of the threads to alter a political position?
No. It’s to vent and blow off steam. People find them entertaining.
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> Has anyones political position been changed by any poster using hate speech?
Irrelevant since disagreeing with someone strongly, even to the point of personal insult is not hate speech.
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> Do you agree or disagree with my scaling of the manifestation of prejudice for each post?
It’s ridiculous and borderline offensive to compare heated internet discussion with very real prejudice against minority groups such as Jews and Blacks.
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> Is there anything worthwhile in being prejudiced?
In the sense of bigotry towards ethnic/racial minorities, gays, women, minority religions? Of course not. But that’s got nothing to do with internet arguments. None of the statements you quoted were hate speech. Some of them may have showed ill-temper or lack of thought, but they were not hate speech.
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> How do you intend to affirm not to use hate speech in your postings?
I will never say anything negative about anyone based on their race gender orientation or religious upbringing.
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> What should a poster using ‘hate speech’ expect from you in reply?
Most bigots get pitted pretty quickly. I might join in the pile on if I’m bored.
It’s ridiculous to apply the Allport scale to internet discussions. No one on this board, no one you quoted in your OP, is going to lead a genocide.
Also your OP could have been a lot shorter and more coherent. You just re-stated **Smiling bandit’s** OP in the linked thread, only with a lot of irrelevant verbiage and distracting jargon.
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### Author:  [@focusonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/focusonz)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/29 "2008-05-12T16:22:04Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan]
Don’t quit your day job.
Regards,
Shodan
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I have already shed a lot of my job responsibility, because I believe strongly that I must join in the battle of fighting ignorance with only 175 days until the general election. Also, I know it is vitally important to ease the pain in the teeming masses of which I am part of.
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/30 "2008-05-12T16:26:02Z")
Does a Whoosh fall before or after Extermination on the **Allport’s Scale**? 🆒
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### Author:  [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/31 "2008-05-12T16:37:39Z")
The OP may have a valid point, but the fact that he called us “childish” prevents me from seeing it. I am now hardened in my opposition to his viewpoint … whatever it may be.
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/32 "2008-05-12T17:03:03Z")
[QUOTE=focusonz]
The Op was all about love. Discipline of a child has to come from love else the child does not learn. I maintain that we all have this little child in our heads that keeps telling use that we were hurt in the past and causes us to react automatically to protect our adult selves from hurt again. See [http://www.moretolife.org/](http://www.moretolife.org/). When I use the word “Childishness” I am referring to that inner child.
I love you Man!
Hence forward the titles of my OPs will be “The Inner Childishness of …”
And by the way I have 16 Ops on my agenda concerning “The Inner Childishness”. One down, this one in process and 14 more to go.
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May I suggest you revise your agenda, and rephrase it as “The inner Childlikeness of …”, as “childishness” is usually viewed as a pejorative?
Also, if you’d added the “…Inner…” to this thread title, it would read a little different in tone, too.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/33 "2008-05-12T17:14:42Z")
[QUOTE=focusonz]
I have already shed a lot of my job responsibility, because I believe strongly that I must join in the battle of fighting ignorance with only 175 days until the general election.
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Burger King’s loss is our gain.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@focusonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/focusonz)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/34 "2008-05-12T17:37:52Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia]
No. It’s to vent and blow off steam. People find them entertaining.
Irrelevant since disagreeing with someone strongly, even to the point of personal insult is not hate speech.
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My OP is relevant to the GD only. But I ask, does it make good sense to rant in public? The rants are widely distributed over the net.
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia]
It’s ridiculous and borderline offensive to compare heated internet discussion with very real prejudice against minority groups such as Jews and Blacks.
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I can see how you, a First-degree Mischlinge, would find the comparison ridiculous and borderline offensive but the hate for the Jewish people and the Blacks started in ill-tempered discussions just as this with a lack of thought and reached such a pitch that it led to oppression and genocide. Is their another scale that could be applied to Internet discussions?
There no words that I know how use to express my empathy for you to the degree that you would like me to. I am just incomplete.
As an example of Scale 4 Physical Attack see [404 Not Found](http://www.tuftsobserver.org/news/20050930/politics_of_fear_politica.html)
As the adults here we must exhibit wise restraint especially in the Internet discussion because the words written here are disseminated around the world.
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### Author:  [@focusonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/focusonz)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/35 "2008-05-12T17:41:20Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble]
May I suggest you revise your agenda, and rephrase it as “The inner Childlikeness of …”, as “childishness” is usually viewed as a pejorative?
Also, if you’d added the “…Inner…” to this thread title, it would read a little different in tone, too.
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Thank you for the input. I will see if the mod can change the title.
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### Author:  [@focusonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/focusonz)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/36 "2008-05-12T17:43:16Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan]
Burger King’s loss is our gain.
Regards,
Shodan
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I thank you for considering me a gain to the SDMB.
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### Author:  [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/37 "2008-05-12T17:53:31Z")
[QUOTE=focusonz]
I have already shed a lot of my job responsibility, because I believe strongly that I must join in the battle of fighting ignorance with only 175 days until the general election.
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[QUOTE=Shodan]
Burger King’s loss is our gain.
Regards,
Shodan
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😃
focusonz,
whilst I think you have a point, you seem to be rather stereotyped in your posting (as has been pointed out by others).
You also wildly overestimate the influence of the SDMB when you state “As the adults here we must exhibit wise restraint especially in the Internet discussion because the words written here are disseminated around the world.”
There are only a few SDMB thousand members, many of whom will not read the political threads and, of the remainder, many will have already made up their minds (or have no US voting rights).
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/38 "2008-05-12T18:06:28Z")
[QUOTE=focusonz]
I must be the oldest and wisest poster on the SDMB for me to see the dilemma of all political thread posters.
I started this new thread because my point(s) seem to just get lost in all the noise in the political debates…
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I don’t know or care about your political stance, but I’ll just say that this, in combination with the thread’s title, is a spectacularly ill-considered way to open an argument. I see at least three condescensions and you’re barely fifty words in.
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### Author:  [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/39 "2008-05-12T18:09:45Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers]
I see at least three condescensions and you’re barely fifty words in.
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Bah, **focusonz** is an amateur. I manage six condescensions every day before breakfast. My wife is so proud of me.
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### Author:  [@focusonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/focusonz)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-unfortunate-effect-of-the-negative-stereotype-ed-title/448998/40 "2008-05-12T18:10:29Z")
[QUOTE=glee]
You also wildly overestimate the influence of the SDMB when you state “As the adults here we must exhibit wise restraint especially in the Internet discussion because the words written here are disseminated around the world.”
There are only a few SDMB thousand members, many of whom will not read the political threads and, of the remainder, many will have already made up their minds (or have no US voting rights).
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It would be revealing how many non-member people log onto a thread.
or log onto [Boardreader - Forum Search Engine](http://boardreader.com/s/focusonz.html)
or how kids use this
[http://boardreader.com/tp/fourteenth+amendment+for+kids.html](http://boardreader.com/tp/fourteenth+amendment+for+kids.html)
look down the postings and you will see one of mine.
this one is still in beta
[http://www.boardtracker.com/](http://www.boardtracker.com/)
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