# The Union Jack--what does it symbolize? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 25, 2003, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460 "2003-10-25T08:57:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vlad\_M.Paler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d26b3c/32.png) [@Vlad\_M.Paler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vlad_M.Paler)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/1 "2003-10-25T08:57:55Z")
I know about the Stars and Stripes, but can anyone give me the history of the Union Jack? ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/2 "2003-10-25T09:10:14Z")
OK, very brief and probably woefully inadequate description. The Union Jack is a superposition of the red cross on a white background flag of St.George, patron saint of England, with the cross saltire of St Andrew, patron saint of Scotland - a diagonal blue cross on a white background and the diagonal red cross on a white background of St Patrick, patron saint of Ireland. The Cross of St George was the flag of England from the late 13th century, until 1603 when James I of England (but James II of Scotland) became monarch of England. The Crosses of St Andrew and St Patrick were already part of a Union flag, since James was king of both Scotland and Ireland (IIRC). The Act of Union of Ireland, England (and Wales) and Scotland, of 1801 created the Union Jack as we know it today, combining the Crosses of Sts George, Andrew and Patrick. The Welsh dragon doesn’t appear on the Union Jack, since when the first flag of the Union was created in 1606, Wales was already a principality of England, without its own sovereign. [A bit more info](http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page398.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/3 "2003-10-25T09:32:49Z")
Slight nitpick. I do believe it’s properly called the Union Flag, not Union Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_M.Paler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d26b3c/32.png) [@Vlad\_M.Paler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vlad_M.Paler)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/4 "2003-10-25T09:48:50Z")
Ok then, follow up question: why is the Union Flag also known as the Union Jack?😛 ---
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/5 "2003-10-25T10:45:22Z")
Wasn’t it called that when flown on ships under some circumstances? Sorry, I’ve got a lecture in 2 min, or I’d google for you. The Irish flag is interesting too - aparently it’s supposed to be green and orange representing protestants and catholics, and white for the peace between them. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/6 "2003-10-25T10:54:40Z")
OK, the Union Jack is a naval term, but was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 to be used as the national flag. That is to say that “Union Jack” _is_ the correct term to use, but was historically used in a naval context. That is of course, according to the Flag Institute. The Royal Navy claims that the term “Union Jack” should only be used in its naval context, and “Union Flag” should be used otherwise, but admits that most people do mix it up. ---
**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/7 "2003-10-25T11:10:42Z")
Also, James I of England was significantly further down the number of James’ of Scotland than II ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/8 "2003-10-25T11:20:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Priam \* > \*\*Also, James I of England was significantly further down the number of James’ of Scotland than II \*\* :smack: Yes he was. He was James VI of Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/9 "2003-10-25T12:13:15Z")
[Here](http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-hist.html) is FOTW’s page for the history of the UK’s flag. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/10 "2003-10-25T14:02:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Angua \* > \*\*The Crosses of St Andrew and St Patrick were already part of a Union flag, since James was king of both Scotland and Ireland (IIRC). The Act of Union of Ireland, England (and Wales) and Scotland, of 1801 created the Union Jack as we know it today, combining the Crosses of Sts George, Andrew and Patrick. \*\* James I wasn’t king of Ireland prior to his accession to the English throne. The English monarchy had claimed to be kings of Ireland for several centuries, but with varying success in practice. James became King of Ireland when he inherited the English throne. **friedo** gives a link to the Flags of the World website, which gives a good history of the flag. The first Union Flag was adopted by royal proclamation in [1606](http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-hist.html#hist), and was a combination of the [Scots saltire of St. Andrew](http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-scotl.html) with the [English cross of St. George](http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-eng.html). The supposedly [Irish saltire of St. Patrick](http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ie-stpat.html#spf) wasn’t added for an additional two centuries, until the 1801 Act that added Ireland to the United Kingdom. However, as a skim through the linked page indicates, there’s little in the historical record to indicate that the so-called St. Patrick’s cross was ever actually used by the Irish prior to its inclusion in the Union flag. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/11 "2003-10-25T14:04:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Northern Piper \* > **James I wasn’t king of Ireland prior to his accession to the English throne. The English monarchy had claimed to be kings of Ireland for several centuries, but with varying success in practice. James became King of Ireland when he inherited the English throne.** Thanks for the correction. I did know that really. My brain’s just not been in gear today. ---
**Author:** ![Dogface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@Dogface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogface)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-union-jack-what-does-it-symbolize/209460/12 "2003-10-25T14:06:48Z")
St. Patrick’s cross is not a red saltire, in any case. That was first used by the invaders’ Order of St. Patrick. Some examples of the opinion of the Irish on this matter: > [@](#): > > the breasts of Irishmen were to be decorated by the bloody Cross of St Andrew, and not that of the tutelar Saint of their natural isle and > [@](#): > > the Cross of St Andrew the Scotch saint is to honour the Irish order of St Patrick, by being inserted within the star of the order and > [@](#): > > a manifest insult to common sense and to national propriety Thus, this so-called “cross of St. Patrick” is actually an ANTI-Ireland symbol, if anything.